Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:51 am

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:I'm sure you make the Vets in your family very proud.

Shagster · Post by **Shagster** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:55 am

I saw one or two posts. They don't keep the death count secret. Go buy a Marine Times, Air Forces Times, Army Times, Navy Times....Weekly newspaper and it has everything broken down in ridiculous detail over 2 pages. The ones I have anyway.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:38 pm

Shaggy wrote:I saw one or two posts. They don't keep the death count secret. Go buy a Marine Times, Air Forces Times, Army Times, Navy Times....Weekly newspaper and it has everything broken down in ridiculous detail over 2 pages. The ones I have anyway.

Same goes for the Stars and Stripes

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:08 pm

Shaggy wrote:I saw one or two posts. They don't keep the death count secret. Go buy a Marine Times, Air Forces Times, Army Times, Navy Times....Weekly newspaper and it has everything broken down in ridiculous detail over 2 pages. The ones I have anyway.

accurate is the term Shag...
When you are medivac'ed from the battlefield from Iraq( say Germany) and you die,are you counted as a battlefield casualty in the numbers.. or do you have to die in the battlefield.???

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:09 pm

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liers; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
H.L. Mencken

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:10 pm

knightmare wrote:accurate is the term Shag...
When you are medivac'ed from the battlefield from Iraq( say Germany) and you die,are you counted as a battlefield casualty in the numbers.. or do you have to die in the battlefield.???

If you are killed because of enemy action, regardless of where you actually die, you are counted as KIA. You might start on the WIA list, depending on the nature of your injuries, but you will move to the KIA list if you die as a result of those injuries or anything after those injuries have occured.

The military keeps such specific records because (among other things) it affects death benefits and spousal survival benefits.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:22 pm

I can't believe we are even having this debate. Every soldier who fights and dies in a war like this deserves proper treatment and honor with the body, flag over casket, the whole nine yards, our soldiers put their lives on the line for this country and they deserve every honor for it. Anyone who says otherwise needs a kick in the ass.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:44 pm

I’m not sure about this... but I think I get a military burial when I do die (be it at the hands of Bouncer as I get caught with his favorite girl again) just because I put my nuts out there in Vietnam.

Not sure about that though. Knowing Bouncer… he’ll burry me with very little ceremony in the back 40 acres of Brembo’s land and then pee on the fresh dirt after he drinks the 12 pack.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:48 pm

MadDoctor wrote: Knowing Bouncer… he’ll burry my with very little ceremony in the back 40 acres of Brembo’s land and then pee on the fresh dirt after he drinks the 12 pack.

As per your requests.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:52 pm

brembo wrote:As per your requests.

Make it a good beer. Okay?

Zerohero · Post by **Zerohero** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:37 pm

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:

Would this not be spamming the boards? How old is this dude, and he gets off to talk about my dead relatives...

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:51 pm

Zerohero wrote:Would this not be spamming the boards? How old is this dude, and he gets off to talk about my dead relatives...

He’s old enough. Be not the one to judge those who might, and might not, spam.

It’s not personal. Don’t make it personal.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:02 pm

Zerohero wrote:Would this not be spamming the boards? How old is this dude, and he gets off to talk about my dead relatives...

It was a rough thread Zero..everybody knows someone or has a relative in the military, etc...everyone has something going on, maybe outside of this forum--offline.
I've taken criticism personal, in the past. But you really can't in this medium.
Everyone has their views, they will be different.
Loosen up.....

Shagster · Post by **Shagster** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:08 pm

There are no hidden death counts. They don't go out and post them all over telephone poles for public knowledge because they are none of your business unless you are in the military. If you really wanna know about them you just had to ask one of us and we would have informed you about where you can find them.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:15 pm

Shaggy wrote:There are no hidden death counts. They don't go out and post them all over telephone poles for public knowledge because they are none of your business unless you are in the military. If you really wanna know about them you just had to ask one of us and we would have informed you about where you can find them.

yea thx shag, I usually get my own info, right or wrong, etc. But thx for the offer...

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:09 pm

MadDoctor wrote:I’m not sure about this... but I think I get a military burial when I do die (be it at the hands of Bouncer as I get caught with his favorite girl again) just because I put my nuts out there in Vietnam.

Not sure about that though. Knowing Bouncer… he’ll burry me with very little ceremony in the back 40 acres of Brembo’s land and then pee on the fresh dirt after he drinks the 12 pack.

Were you really in Vietnam MD? I wish I could hear all of your stories sometime, I could never get my grandfather to talk about WWII (he drove a light tank, had a sarge get shot and the bullet bounce in the turret through his body, and 3 of his tanks got knocked out by panzerfausts but he still survived). I really love hearing vet stories.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:23 pm

MadDoctor wrote:Make it a good beer. Okay?

Nothing but the Beast for you.

Milwaukee's Beast, that is.

Regards,
-Bouncer-
ps: I would never do that to you btw. I plan on having you stuffed and mounted over the mantle!

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:26 pm

wee96 wrote:Were you really in Vietnam MD? I wish I could hear all of your stories sometime, I could never get my grandfather to talk about WWII (he drove a light tank, had a sarge get shot and the bullet bounce in the turret through his body, and 3 of his tanks got knocked out by panzerfausts but he still survived). I really love hearing vet stories.

I've been married for 25 years and I've never told her a thing about what happened over there. It's a part of me and I will carry it until I die. I don't want it to be a part of her... or you.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:28 pm

Bouncer wrote:Nothing but the Beast for you.

Milwaukee's Beast, that is.

Regards,
-Bouncer-
ps: I would never do that to you btw. I plan on having you stuffed and mounted over the mantle!

I'd be the talk of that trailer you live in.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:35 pm

MadDoctor wrote:I've been married for 25 years and I've never told her a thing about what happened over there. It's a part of me and I will carry it until I die. I don't want it to be a part of her... or you.

I understand, some people who go through such terrible things keep it in like my gramps and yourself.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:45 pm

wee96 wrote:I understand, some people who go through such terrible things keep it in like my gramps and yourself.

Most are like that.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:45 pm

wee96 wrote:I understand, some people who go through such terrible things keep it in like my gramps and yourself.

I don’t know. I think about the stuff that happened and some doesn’t seem that bad. Maybe it wasn’t. It was a long time ago. Then other stuff was barbaric.

My son asks from time to time about this or that and when I think about telling him some of the stories… I’m appalled by how horrible it is when you put the memories to words.

Fortunately for me… I have lots of good drugs I take to keep the memories deep inside my tiny little brain. Pushing the memories deeper and deeper so they can’t bubble to the surface when I’m cleaning that AK-47 I smuggled back.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:49 pm

MadDoctor wrote:I don’t know. I think about the stuff that happened and some doesn’t seem that bad. Maybe it wasn’t. It was a long time ago. Then other stuff was barbaric.

My son asks from time to time about this or that and when I think about telling him some of the stories… I’m appalled by how horrible it is when you put the memories to words.

Fortunately for me… I have lots of good drugs I take to keep the memories deep inside my tiny little brain. Pushing the memories deeper and deeper so they can’t bubble to the surface when I’m cleaning that AK-47 I smuggled back.

<--has SKS

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:05 am

Bouncer wrote:
Regards,
-Bouncer-
ps: I would never do that to you btw. I plan on having you stuffed and mounted over the mantle!

is this code for something?

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:56 am

MadDoctor wrote:He’s old enough. Be not the one to judge those who might, and might not, spam.

It’s not personal. Don’t make it personal.

Joint Chiefs of Staff · Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:58 am

Zerohero wrote:Would this not be spamming the boards? How old is this dude, and he gets off to talk about my dead relatives...

Like Mr. MadDoc stated, I'm old enough. Why do you ask? Do you need a spanking? You get off talking about soldiers and you give your opinion so you got mine in return.

Life is tough so deal with it. Love it or leave it.