FixedGhosthunter wrote:like Bush would want to invade canada? lol
American who got his head cut off...
For them to be even uttering the words "God is great" during such an act, they are pure evil. They are going to rot in hell. Its a shame they were such cowards they had to hide their faces.Jamie_R wrote:maybe it'll do some good in some way ... maybe remind people of what we are dealing with ...
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yeah ... ever notice how these "freedom fighters" always hide their faces? If I were fighting for freedom, I think I'd be proud of it.thepieman wrote:For them to be even uttering the words "God is great" during such an act, they are pure evil. They are going to rot in hell. Its a shame they were such cowards they had to hide their faces.
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Why are they hiding their faces? I think because at some base level, they KNOW they are wrong, and also if they show their faces so we can get a positive I.D., we're gonna come smoke their a$$e$.
just my opinion .....
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
A lot of people forget the medias sole purpose for existing is to make people money. It's a way that people can not only earn money now, but manipulate people so as to make money in the future.YARDofSTUF wrote:Sadly the media doesnt care about the people they report on.
News papers exist so as to sell copies and secure advertising contracts. News shows exist so as to gain ratings and provide spaces for commercials.
Sensational and shocking reports are great for circulation and ratings. If situations can be manipulated so as to create more mayhem, death and horror so as to sell more copies and gain more ratings... well, goodie.
Dare say that's not right though... and the media whinge about freedom of press and censorship... because they're the media and when they whinge people listen. So what if people die? Kerry Packer and Rupert Murdoch have really nice chaeufer driven cars and that's what's important.
God bless he who invented capitalist media. I sure won't be blessing him.
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Found this article ... I thought it was good enough to share - especially the last line:
The United States is investigating the deaths of ten Iraqi prisoners, two of which are considered homicides. Begin, then, with a simple principle, that unjust deaths are more serious and deserve more consideration than the simple dishonor and humiliation represented in the nude pyramid. Now ask yourself why entire episodes of Hardball aren’t being dedicated to how and why those deaths occurred. Other than the fact pictures of the abuse (and not of the deaths) exist in the public forum, and can therefore lend themselves to easier consideration, there doesn’t seem to be a palatable answer.
Meanwhile, Nick Berg’s execution video continues to make the rounds. No better way to explain the thing other than to say it portrays a barbarity and inhumanity unfathomable to stable intellects. Berg sits in front of five hooded captors, one of whom reads a statement before commanding Berg to read one prepared for him: his name, those of his parents and siblings, his city of residence (Philadelphia). Berg is grabbed by the middle captor, a large knife is brandished and brought to his throat; his screams fill the room until his body relents, at which point his head is presented to the camera. Nick Berg’s body was found by an overpass in Baghdad last weekend. He was twenty-six.
Let’s back up. We have developed a difficulty in saying what bothers us most about the prisoner photos. Why? Because to utter that truth lends credence to the idea of Ugly Americanism, and too many of us fear that label more than are willing to accept and speak the truth. But the fact of the matter is, the sorts of humiliations forced onto the prisoners aren’t expected to come from our side of the Iraqi conflict because we are morally superior to our enemies, and are expected to act morally superior when it comes to the treatment of prisoners. Nick Berg’s beheading, so tragic and horrible, is par for the course. And nothing new. Daniel Pearl was beheaded; others have been beheaded.
Now to the Left, where is has been implicitly said that the prisoner photos represent such a great, across-the-board moral failing that the Iraqi effort is a lost cause. William Rivers Pitt wrote, before the release of the Berg video, that this week brought to an end “a week so awful, so terrible, so wrenching that the most basic fabric of that which we believe is good and great – the most basic moral fabric of the United States of America – has been torn bitterly asunder.” More, “The worst, amazingly, is yet to come. A new battery of photographs and videotapes, as yet unreleased, awaits over the horizon of our abused understanding. These photos and videos … are reported to show U.S. soldiers gang raping an Iraqi woman, U.S. soldiers beating an Iraqi man nearly to death, U.S. troops posing, smirks affixed, with decomposing Iraqi bodies, and Iraqi troops under U.S. command raping young boys.”
President Bush and Congress have seen confidential pictures and videos. One assumes these are not confidential materials because they are more of what we have seen; what we have seen seems, as Rush Limbaugh so perfectly suggested, no different than a Skull and Bones initiation. If any of the things alleged by Pitt turn out do be true, I will take to this space and demand the death penalty where applicable, lifetime imprisonment without view of another blue sky for others, unemployment and forced homelessness for whoever should remain. (Not coincidentally, the willingness to do so is what separates some of us here on the Right from some of those there on the Left.)
But until and unless that material proves so horrible, you’ll have to forgive me for not having the desire to dismantle the entire military establishment for the actions of a very small number of soldiers (and probably some in the chain of command), or to fire Rumsfeld, or to impeach Bush. I have seen the Nick Berg video; I have seen the Daniel Pearl video; I have seen the video of the four Americans massacred, their body parts hung from a bridge to burn. I have watched them not because they’re enjoyable, but because they remind me we are fighting a battle for humanity more than for “democracy in the Middle East.” It’s nearly impossible to give a damn about the nude pyramid and the guy on the leash when you’ve seen a man scream until the exact moment his head is removed from his body.
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The United States is investigating the deaths of ten Iraqi prisoners, two of which are considered homicides. Begin, then, with a simple principle, that unjust deaths are more serious and deserve more consideration than the simple dishonor and humiliation represented in the nude pyramid. Now ask yourself why entire episodes of Hardball aren’t being dedicated to how and why those deaths occurred. Other than the fact pictures of the abuse (and not of the deaths) exist in the public forum, and can therefore lend themselves to easier consideration, there doesn’t seem to be a palatable answer.
Meanwhile, Nick Berg’s execution video continues to make the rounds. No better way to explain the thing other than to say it portrays a barbarity and inhumanity unfathomable to stable intellects. Berg sits in front of five hooded captors, one of whom reads a statement before commanding Berg to read one prepared for him: his name, those of his parents and siblings, his city of residence (Philadelphia). Berg is grabbed by the middle captor, a large knife is brandished and brought to his throat; his screams fill the room until his body relents, at which point his head is presented to the camera. Nick Berg’s body was found by an overpass in Baghdad last weekend. He was twenty-six.
Let’s back up. We have developed a difficulty in saying what bothers us most about the prisoner photos. Why? Because to utter that truth lends credence to the idea of Ugly Americanism, and too many of us fear that label more than are willing to accept and speak the truth. But the fact of the matter is, the sorts of humiliations forced onto the prisoners aren’t expected to come from our side of the Iraqi conflict because we are morally superior to our enemies, and are expected to act morally superior when it comes to the treatment of prisoners. Nick Berg’s beheading, so tragic and horrible, is par for the course. And nothing new. Daniel Pearl was beheaded; others have been beheaded.
Now to the Left, where is has been implicitly said that the prisoner photos represent such a great, across-the-board moral failing that the Iraqi effort is a lost cause. William Rivers Pitt wrote, before the release of the Berg video, that this week brought to an end “a week so awful, so terrible, so wrenching that the most basic fabric of that which we believe is good and great – the most basic moral fabric of the United States of America – has been torn bitterly asunder.” More, “The worst, amazingly, is yet to come. A new battery of photographs and videotapes, as yet unreleased, awaits over the horizon of our abused understanding. These photos and videos … are reported to show U.S. soldiers gang raping an Iraqi woman, U.S. soldiers beating an Iraqi man nearly to death, U.S. troops posing, smirks affixed, with decomposing Iraqi bodies, and Iraqi troops under U.S. command raping young boys.”
President Bush and Congress have seen confidential pictures and videos. One assumes these are not confidential materials because they are more of what we have seen; what we have seen seems, as Rush Limbaugh so perfectly suggested, no different than a Skull and Bones initiation. If any of the things alleged by Pitt turn out do be true, I will take to this space and demand the death penalty where applicable, lifetime imprisonment without view of another blue sky for others, unemployment and forced homelessness for whoever should remain. (Not coincidentally, the willingness to do so is what separates some of us here on the Right from some of those there on the Left.)
But until and unless that material proves so horrible, you’ll have to forgive me for not having the desire to dismantle the entire military establishment for the actions of a very small number of soldiers (and probably some in the chain of command), or to fire Rumsfeld, or to impeach Bush. I have seen the Nick Berg video; I have seen the Daniel Pearl video; I have seen the video of the four Americans massacred, their body parts hung from a bridge to burn. I have watched them not because they’re enjoyable, but because they remind me we are fighting a battle for humanity more than for “democracy in the Middle East.” It’s nearly impossible to give a damn about the nude pyramid and the guy on the leash when you’ve seen a man scream until the exact moment his head is removed from his body.
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Norm wrote:We would need to be rescued because we don't have 100 million people ready to fight off a US invasion, but our friends do.
We take care of ourselves by not putting all of our security eggs in one basket by befriending ONLY the US. We do not follow the US down every path either, and in so doing we preserve other important friendships along with our integrity.
I never expected to be grilled by you UOD, I figured you intelligent enough to think that through yourself, but if you insist on explanations, I'm there for you. The rest can figure me out on thier own.
Emotions?
Not here, unless you're talking about the emotion of humor.
For the record UOD, I have all the respect in the world for any soldier fighting to preserve freedom, I also have the same respect for soldiers who believe they are fighting for freedom when in fact they are not. I even have respect for soldiers who know the score but follow orders as they have been trained to do.
I refuse to lie about and/or defend actions that are blatantly wrong.
I will also play the devils advocate at times just to expand minds.
Thought I was gone for the night eh?
All I need to say is that I know you are intelligent enough to NOT respond to the emotions that always seem to seep through with these threads. that is all I was implying.
Going from a beheading to attacking/defending Canada is imho...rooted in emotions.
A few things:
1) The vast majority of Iraqis are horrified and repulsed by this. Your anger is misdirected if it is at all Iraqis, arabs, or people of islam. This is no more fair than blaming all christians, whites or Americans for the killing of a pro-choice doctor by some extremist bible thumping terrorist.
2) You do no great thing by proclaiming they must all be killed or Iraq should be nuked or B-52'd out of existence. "For every 1 of ours they kill we must kill 100 of theirs!" Sounds a bit too much like the policies of Adolph Hitler. Think about what it means if we start adopting his policies.
Who are the "good guys" then?
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1) The vast majority of Iraqis are horrified and repulsed by this. Your anger is misdirected if it is at all Iraqis, arabs, or people of islam. This is no more fair than blaming all christians, whites or Americans for the killing of a pro-choice doctor by some extremist bible thumping terrorist.
2) You do no great thing by proclaiming they must all be killed or Iraq should be nuked or B-52'd out of existence. "For every 1 of ours they kill we must kill 100 of theirs!" Sounds a bit too much like the policies of Adolph Hitler. Think about what it means if we start adopting his policies.
Who are the "good guys" then?
Regards,
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Bouncer wrote:A few things:
1) The vast majority of Iraqis are horrified and repulsed by this. Your anger is misdirected if it is at all Iraqis, arabs, or people of islam. This is no more fair than blaming all christians, whites or Americans for the killing of a pro-choice doctor by some extremist bible thumping terrorist.
Who are the "good guys" then?
Regards,
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Thank you bouncer, I was thinking the EXACT same thing but just did not care to post it at this point.
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Thomas,Bouncer wrote:A few things:
1) The vast majority of Iraqis are horrified and repulsed by this. Your anger is misdirected if it is at all Iraqis, arabs, or people of islam. .....
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Not to fan flames of prejudice, but such garrish displays of brutality make the front pages and videos of many prominent Arabic newspapers and newscasts.
Likewise it is disturbing to hear Nazi style rhetoric aimed at those of the Islamic faith. It should serve as a reminder how easy it is to sway a large population into acts barabrity and cruelty. Identfy the enemy, list their "crimes", dehumanize them then pilliage and butcher...
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First off, I do not believe that there are good guys or bad guys. That kind of spin on a group of people is the result of propaghanda and opinion. No one is good or bad, there are just agendas.Bouncer wrote:A few things:
1) The vast majority of Iraqis are horrified and repulsed by this. Your anger is misdirected if it is at all Iraqis, arabs, or people of islam. This is no more fair than blaming all christians, whites or Americans for the killing of a pro-choice doctor by some extremist bible thumping terrorist.
2) You do no great thing by proclaiming they must all be killed or Iraq should be nuked or B-52'd out of existence. "For every 1 of ours they kill we must kill 100 of theirs!" Sounds a bit too much like the policies of Adolph Hitler. Think about what it means if we start adopting his policies.
Who are the "good guys" then?
Regards,
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I remember reading someone say that the media doesn't care about the people they report on, just their agenda of making money. How many ratings/circulation they get or advertisement is based on the shock value of their reports.
It reminds me of when South Park the movie came out. The shock value was astounding. We had people getting up in the movie and walking out. That is why it sold so much. Same goes with American media.
Speaking of media, since when is it news (no pun intended) that the american media is slanted to one side of the fence or the other?
It particularly offends me that they showed the images of the Iraqi prisoners and of Berg being beheaded. *imho* This is in violation of the Geneva Convention. Showing humilating photo's of Iraqi prisoners isn't right.
I am not in favor of censorship but]their[/i] sacrifices are for nothing. The seven hundred some odd americans that died, the soldier who lost a limb or sight, the money spent, the resources consumed will all be for nothing.
We need to stop worrying about the validity of the war because its too late for that now. We have a job to do and we need to get in there and do it right the first time.
God Bless America
The beheading doesn't really bother me...it's the way he was tricked into believing that he was not going to be killed. Look how docile he is. They never told him that they were going to cut off his head in front of a vid camera.Mutch wrote:Has been released on the internet :/ shame.
I would have fought to the death and there would be no statement but FU. If I am ever captured alive....I won't last long because I will fight until I'm dead or free.
rmatich wrote:I say we should nuke the Bathist stronghold city and bomb the Palistinians while also suing an atomic bomb on the Al Quida strongholds in Pakistan!!! Kill about 2.5 million of those evil folks and then ask on worldwide television "does anybody else want to go to Allah also?! HMMMMMM???!!!" Boy if only I ran things!!!
Nuke nuke nuke, some of you here are no better then these terrorist, just because someone got killed in such a way, the states should melt children women, humans, just to revenge the action's of the few.
I'm just as angry as anyone over the way in which this man was killed, I'm not American but it hurts me to see what they did to this man and the other terrible killings that have taken place.
All over the net people say nuke them, or people laugh at this act to look big, one post i read said something like the video is crap because there was not enough blood, i mean if this is what we are becoming then maybe as someone here said lets nuke the whole world and maybe then all this BS can end.
Damn now I'm saying it, but tbh many act like there arm chair generals and of course they know everything. Few months back i saw a news clip of Saddam's men sticking plastic explosive around 4 mens necks and one by one they blew there upper torso off, this was taped, now my point is this, people are fast to say all Iraq hates us, but i know for sure those four men would have loved to see a U.S tank that day and I'm sure many many more welcome this war, yet are afraid to show it, because last time they showed it we pulled out and many got killed for showing support, its a catch 22 and in the long term our governments will get all this mess sorted out.
There are many reason's for this attack on Iraq, oil, free a nation, another foothold in the middle east, even maybe WMD, be it right or wrong lets not lower our-selfs to these terrorist. Someone said get the media out of Iraq and i agree with this, they are chasing the bad news looking for that story that beats the other stations or newspaper, get them out and let our fighting men and women get on with there job.
that maybe, i may have heard the story wrong, sorry for the mis-information if i am wrong.Prey521 wrote:What was said on the news is that they knew beforehand of their son being beheaded, I didn't hear any mention of them actually seeing the video.......why would they want too?
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I was deeply involved in this thread last night, but got tired and went to bed. I don't understand a couple of attitudes? For instance I have a hard time believeing that some of us are naive enough to believe that this beheading was a direct result of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib. This has been these fanatics way forever! Saddam and his regime pushed people off buildings, cut their limbs off, cut their tongues out, gouged out eyes, electrocuted people, sterilized people, branded people and a whole lot more. These are not fairy tales and are very much documented. This maniac who ordered (or actually committed) this killing is vicious. He has wanted to do this for a long time and will do it again. It doesn't matter if we are nice as boy scouts for 100 years, the hatred rages on because that is their passion.
I will agree that comparing evil with evil on a scale is not "solving" anything, but YES, there is a difference between atrocities. Why in God's name would anyone even hint that we had this coming? We will someday be forced to take a stand for our way of life and it may just cost our lives. Don't give these devils 1 ounce of sympathy, 1 ounce of doubt that we will stand as a nation and fight evil to the death. They prey on our bleeding hearts and know that we are a great nation BECAUSE of our compassion, freedom and the willingness to fight to the ends of the earth for ourselves and all those others wanting the same things. If you do not stand up now and show these monsters that we will not stop fighting Satan, then you may be hiding in your basement someday with Satan at your door.
This is no time to squabble about "degrees" of evil and such. It's a time to unite & push forward or be devoured in our selfish weaknesses.
I will agree that comparing evil with evil on a scale is not "solving" anything, but YES, there is a difference between atrocities. Why in God's name would anyone even hint that we had this coming? We will someday be forced to take a stand for our way of life and it may just cost our lives. Don't give these devils 1 ounce of sympathy, 1 ounce of doubt that we will stand as a nation and fight evil to the death. They prey on our bleeding hearts and know that we are a great nation BECAUSE of our compassion, freedom and the willingness to fight to the ends of the earth for ourselves and all those others wanting the same things. If you do not stand up now and show these monsters that we will not stop fighting Satan, then you may be hiding in your basement someday with Satan at your door.
This is no time to squabble about "degrees" of evil and such. It's a time to unite & push forward or be devoured in our selfish weaknesses.
screw this political correct bulls ****e go in and kill them all. americas to busy trying to make everyone like them. they deserve to die if they believe in killing infidels gets you into there utopia. nuke and get it over with. they didnt care when ever all of the innocent people died in the world trade center, why should we care about all of there people. we are in there trying to help them and they are killing our soldiers.
The reason that America does not run in and drop the most lethal weapon known to ever exist in the history of the universe, other then it being a complete and utter political destruction to the administration that did so is:
If a nuclear device were dropped in a desert region such as Iraq it would...like it did at the 'Trinity' location in New Mexico...although then the detonation only amounted to 47 kilotons...and not 275 MEGATONS...turn the sand into glass over 70 feet deep which all who stop to consider the effects on the planet can conclude that this would cause a magnificent solar magnification in a region that already reaches over 120 degrees most of the calendar year...creating such a thermal global warming within the van allen radiation belt (greenhouse effect) that the polar icecaps would melt completely away flodding the entire world.
The United coalition does not want to end the human race but rather LEAD the human race and the planet into peacful co-existance for our children and generations thereafter. To simply drop all concern for human life...no matter how mislead a very very small few misguided insurgents might be is to completely turn our backs on the very essence of what the United States was founded upon. To become like them is to lose the entire effort.
We are above and better then these barbarians and THIS is why it is so increasingly difficult for us to show the peaceful people of Iraq just how great democracy can be...these people have been oppressed for over 3.5 decades...by the exact Military Islamic Fundamentalists with which you made reference. It is NOT the people of Iraq's fault but rather the fault of these limited and deminishing number of terrorists within their community.
We've been at this war on terror in Iraq for less then two years. The Nazi regime and the Japanese empire were both brought to democracy and it took WAAAAAAY over a year to achieve...relax my fellow American and back the humanitarian ideology and lose that 'nuke em' rediculous thought process.
A democratic entity who drives for freedom of ALL and for ALL does not simply start tossing thermo-nuclear devices...of any kind, into their plans of resolution. The planet saw it done once in history when the enemy of the time would not and did not know surrender as an end means. We correctly decided NOT to repeat such a travisty when we were in Vietnam and Korea.
I pray, as do all other humanitarian ideologically minded folks, that the human race NEVER has to see a repeat of such worldly tragic, human obliteration as it did then.
Pray for God's speed...
PEACE!!!
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Ok, I’ve read the complete thread
I assume this must be a pretty good reflection of the view of the American people on this matter.
I will now try to summarise this view without letting my own opinion intervene
I will do this by solely by summing up certain facts which are historically correct and aren’t subject of any alteration applied to convince people of my opinion.
this would be the opinion formed by the average American citizen of he wishes to be politically and historically correct and doesn’t allow himself to neglect the facts.
‘Why are those stupid Iraqi citizens afraid of us?
Don’t they see that we are only there to help them don’t they see what great humanitarian causes that is driving us.
Gee, don’t they see that we, the self-proclaimed keepers of peace all around the world, are once again raising taxes and sacrificing the lives of young Americans. We are doing this solely out of benevolence as a form of charity, just so we can yet again save some poor people in a country on the other side of the world from the rage of a dictator. We do not, in any way, do this out of self-interest and do not benefit from it whatsoever.
The facts that Iraq is one of the main oil-producing countries, our president is sponsored by the American oil-industry and that he has taken many steps to improve their position in the past haven’t got anything to do with this at all.
In fact they should be honoured as it is our hobby to completely disinterested save nations across the world we chose to save the Iraqis instead of many others. We have temporarily given up our numerous attempts to help the dozens of countries in Africa where complete villages are slaughtered on command of the vicious tyrants that are constantly impoverishing their country to fill their own pockets. We have given up those attempts to go and save the Iraqis. After we have fulfilled our moral duties back there we just go off to save the rest of the world.
Furthermore I hope the statements of our president promising that he’ll bomb Iraq back to the Stone Age hasn't given ‘em a false impression of our intentions. Nor the fact that he is part of an underground right-wing order that is worshipping death and murder.
They are so pessimistic. Only because we’ve already bombed their country to pieces once before. And that we’ve encouraged them to stand up against Saddam while we were entering their country and then decided not to overthrow the government leaving those who expressed any pro-American sympathies to be viciously tortured and killed by Saddam.
Those damn Iraqis just can’t give anyone a second chance can they, those morons.
I hope they realise that the American government doesn’t think an entire nation can be held responsible for the crimes of a select group. Well accept maybe that one time in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and maybe in Palestine or Cuba or Afghanistan or Vietnam or Korea or some other country i've never heard of before.
Talking about Palestine, I hope the Iraqis are not scared off by the genocide on an Arab nation we are tolerating there.
They musn't be insulted by the fact that America has provided Saddam with the financial and logistic means for years. Things he later on used to abuse his country and we now have to go and take away from him. They probably see the humour of it as much as we do.
I hope they realise that the photos of soldiers in the Abu Graihb prison standing next to the mutilated corpses of someones father, sun or brother are just some souvenirs for the home front.
They probably don’t remember that we’ve took care of the fact that Iraq was isolated from any kind of trade for years causing famine among those thousands of innocents and being the reason why many children starved to death. They probably don’t miss their suns and daughter as much as we miss our suns and daughters who have been sent to rescue the Iraqis.
Why the hell are they afraid of us then? Couldn’t been the hundreds of civilian casualties caused by the two bombings. Certainly not, after all they are of an inferior race, practically animals actually. They don’t care about their relatives who were killed.
Why don’t they understand that the ideology we are forcing upon them is the right thing and the standards and the religion they grew up with, which the're living by for thousands of years is plain wrong.
Yeah, that Islam-thing I don’t really know much of is wrong because it’s inconsistent with my moral standards. Why can’t they just accept that and completely renew their society. They should create one completely like ours based on death penalty, incompetent leaders, propaganda, choosing governors based on their acting skills, having an intelligence service infiltrating and neutralising any opposing party or government, preserving power by intimidating other countries with thousands of nuclear warheads. After all America is the leading country in the world so we must be right.
I just can’t seem to find any reason why they’re mad at us or afraid of us.
The only plausible explanation is that they are stupid savages. Barbarians, that’s what they are. They are just jealous of us because America is the coolest ****ing country in the whole ****ing world. They probably became that stupid because they ****ed a lot of sheep and ****. Yeah rock on dude, I’m cool. They were born in that country so they must be stupid. That is why all Americans are smart. They are just aggressive mother****ers just looking to fight a war with someone. But now I have to go because Jerry Springer is on in like five minutes. I hope someone beats up his transsexual mother-in-law that’s having an affair whit her grandson or something like that, that is so coool. And then I have to watch “faces of death” and “Cops” and “celebrities uncensored”. And there better be no desperate Iraqi trying to improve his fate while I’m eating my pizza here or I’m gonna get ****ing pissed off.
This will be the end of my thoughts cause I’m switching my brain of when I’m watching TV. So bye bye.”
And may God continue to bless America.
I would like to say that I am not approving the actions of Al Qaeda or any fundamentalistic organisation. I am certainly not a left-wing militant. In fact I am a convinced capitalist and I’m certainly not anti-American in fact I love America, been there a couple of times and I had a great time. But I believe it is important that in a conflict you look at it from both sides. I’m aware of the fact that my story is exaggerated but that’s only to explain my point and show the irrational arguments certain people use. This is not an aprioristic view of the American citizen. There are as much of those people in my country as there are in America. AND I’M TRULY SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE. I will respect the opinion of anyone who doesn’t approve with me as long as it’s funded with serious arguments and not held together by profanity. Furthermore I wish to state that English is not my first language so there might be some grammatical errors in this texts, sorry for that.
P.S. A note for the guy who managed to put the word “ballz” and a reference to Greek mythology in the same line. Atlas did not carry the world, he carried the sky. The world was according to the Greeks carried by a turtle ( not much of an appealing analogy now, is it )
I assume this must be a pretty good reflection of the view of the American people on this matter.
I will now try to summarise this view without letting my own opinion intervene
I will do this by solely by summing up certain facts which are historically correct and aren’t subject of any alteration applied to convince people of my opinion.
this would be the opinion formed by the average American citizen of he wishes to be politically and historically correct and doesn’t allow himself to neglect the facts.
‘Why are those stupid Iraqi citizens afraid of us?
Don’t they see that we are only there to help them don’t they see what great humanitarian causes that is driving us.
Gee, don’t they see that we, the self-proclaimed keepers of peace all around the world, are once again raising taxes and sacrificing the lives of young Americans. We are doing this solely out of benevolence as a form of charity, just so we can yet again save some poor people in a country on the other side of the world from the rage of a dictator. We do not, in any way, do this out of self-interest and do not benefit from it whatsoever.
The facts that Iraq is one of the main oil-producing countries, our president is sponsored by the American oil-industry and that he has taken many steps to improve their position in the past haven’t got anything to do with this at all.
In fact they should be honoured as it is our hobby to completely disinterested save nations across the world we chose to save the Iraqis instead of many others. We have temporarily given up our numerous attempts to help the dozens of countries in Africa where complete villages are slaughtered on command of the vicious tyrants that are constantly impoverishing their country to fill their own pockets. We have given up those attempts to go and save the Iraqis. After we have fulfilled our moral duties back there we just go off to save the rest of the world.
Furthermore I hope the statements of our president promising that he’ll bomb Iraq back to the Stone Age hasn't given ‘em a false impression of our intentions. Nor the fact that he is part of an underground right-wing order that is worshipping death and murder.
They are so pessimistic. Only because we’ve already bombed their country to pieces once before. And that we’ve encouraged them to stand up against Saddam while we were entering their country and then decided not to overthrow the government leaving those who expressed any pro-American sympathies to be viciously tortured and killed by Saddam.
Those damn Iraqis just can’t give anyone a second chance can they, those morons.
I hope they realise that the American government doesn’t think an entire nation can be held responsible for the crimes of a select group. Well accept maybe that one time in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and maybe in Palestine or Cuba or Afghanistan or Vietnam or Korea or some other country i've never heard of before.
Talking about Palestine, I hope the Iraqis are not scared off by the genocide on an Arab nation we are tolerating there.
They musn't be insulted by the fact that America has provided Saddam with the financial and logistic means for years. Things he later on used to abuse his country and we now have to go and take away from him. They probably see the humour of it as much as we do.
I hope they realise that the photos of soldiers in the Abu Graihb prison standing next to the mutilated corpses of someones father, sun or brother are just some souvenirs for the home front.
They probably don’t remember that we’ve took care of the fact that Iraq was isolated from any kind of trade for years causing famine among those thousands of innocents and being the reason why many children starved to death. They probably don’t miss their suns and daughter as much as we miss our suns and daughters who have been sent to rescue the Iraqis.
Why the hell are they afraid of us then? Couldn’t been the hundreds of civilian casualties caused by the two bombings. Certainly not, after all they are of an inferior race, practically animals actually. They don’t care about their relatives who were killed.
Why don’t they understand that the ideology we are forcing upon them is the right thing and the standards and the religion they grew up with, which the're living by for thousands of years is plain wrong.
Yeah, that Islam-thing I don’t really know much of is wrong because it’s inconsistent with my moral standards. Why can’t they just accept that and completely renew their society. They should create one completely like ours based on death penalty, incompetent leaders, propaganda, choosing governors based on their acting skills, having an intelligence service infiltrating and neutralising any opposing party or government, preserving power by intimidating other countries with thousands of nuclear warheads. After all America is the leading country in the world so we must be right.
I just can’t seem to find any reason why they’re mad at us or afraid of us.
The only plausible explanation is that they are stupid savages. Barbarians, that’s what they are. They are just jealous of us because America is the coolest ****ing country in the whole ****ing world. They probably became that stupid because they ****ed a lot of sheep and ****. Yeah rock on dude, I’m cool. They were born in that country so they must be stupid. That is why all Americans are smart. They are just aggressive mother****ers just looking to fight a war with someone. But now I have to go because Jerry Springer is on in like five minutes. I hope someone beats up his transsexual mother-in-law that’s having an affair whit her grandson or something like that, that is so coool. And then I have to watch “faces of death” and “Cops” and “celebrities uncensored”. And there better be no desperate Iraqi trying to improve his fate while I’m eating my pizza here or I’m gonna get ****ing pissed off.
This will be the end of my thoughts cause I’m switching my brain of when I’m watching TV. So bye bye.”
And may God continue to bless America.
I would like to say that I am not approving the actions of Al Qaeda or any fundamentalistic organisation. I am certainly not a left-wing militant. In fact I am a convinced capitalist and I’m certainly not anti-American in fact I love America, been there a couple of times and I had a great time. But I believe it is important that in a conflict you look at it from both sides. I’m aware of the fact that my story is exaggerated but that’s only to explain my point and show the irrational arguments certain people use. This is not an aprioristic view of the American citizen. There are as much of those people in my country as there are in America. AND I’M TRULY SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE. I will respect the opinion of anyone who doesn’t approve with me as long as it’s funded with serious arguments and not held together by profanity. Furthermore I wish to state that English is not my first language so there might be some grammatical errors in this texts, sorry for that.
P.S. A note for the guy who managed to put the word “ballz” and a reference to Greek mythology in the same line. Atlas did not carry the world, he carried the sky. The world was according to the Greeks carried by a turtle ( not much of an appealing analogy now, is it
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Prey521 wrote:You're gonna be in Kuwait, it doesn't count!
"There is a big difference between breaking the law and having a law designed to break you. We will not be broken." -- Jinny Simms
"On the street everything is legal! I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in 2 eyes for an eye." -- Bas Rutten
"On the street everything is legal! I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in 2 eyes for an eye." -- Bas Rutten
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hmmmm someone posted about killing children? they do it to thier own so...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040930/photos_ts/mdf713094
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040930/photos_ts/mdf713094
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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sorry dude, didnt mean to jack your jackJoint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Wanna bet?
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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i know, thats why i said i didnt mean to jack YOUR jack
ah yes the student teaches the masta
ah yes the student teaches the masta
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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