2K & XP Users Please Try This

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:23 pm

welz400 are you saying that when you first installed Windows 2000 that your speed was horrible until you amnually tweaked your registry settings?

welz400 · Post by **welz400** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:23 pm

Hey monosteele52!
how about this then:

WinXP Rwin boxes blanked out in CN, and just tried the analyser page, and wow!

Rwin is 64710....optimised itself eh?

TCP options string = 0204059e0103030001010402
MTU = 1478
MTU is not fully optimized for broadband. Consider increasing your MTU to 1500 for better throughput.
MSS = 1438
MSS is not fully optimized for broadband (although it might work well for slower connections). Consider increasing your MTU value.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 64710
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 64710

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
506176 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
253088 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
126544 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63272 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 2588.4 kbps (323.55 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1035.36 kbps (129.42 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = OFF
Time to live left = 51 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 01000000

Precedence (priority) = 000 (routine)
Delay = 0 (normal delay)
Throughput = 0 (normal throughput)
Reliability = 0 (normal reliability)
Cost = 1 (low cost)

welz400 · Post by **welz400** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:10 pm

mnosteele52,
no, what I am saying is that when I first re installed my win2k system, I used cablenut to enter the values I had previously used.
But then as you may know, I changed the MTU from 1430 (Rwin values = 22290) to 1500 at first, then to 1478. It was at that point I started to tweak my settings again, and got something inbetwen 56 and 58Kb/sec download speed on my adsl 512/256 PPPoA connection.

Then from reading your post about leaving the Rwin boxes blank, I did that but got a poor speed....3KB/sec in win2k

Now, with WinXP, with a MTU of 1478 and Rwin boxes blank in cablenut I get a constant 58Kb/sec.

But to clarify, I had to use cablenut to tweak the rest of the settings.

cheers

iflog · Post by **iflog** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:38 pm

I went back and forth with this and other setting for a while. I found that my download speed definately increased leaving those values blank. I was downloading consistanly around 350KB/s, after deleteing those values I reported I went to 358KB/s. The other day I defraged and cleaned out some of the garbage on my computer and rechecked my download during peak time. 362KB/s. equates to 2896 on a 3000/256 cable. I like it. The only problem I seen was my downloading stalls just a tad when it starts but then takes off in a flash. Not really a problem, just an observation.

queen · Post by **queen** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:02 pm

I have an untweaked win2k laptop running. I applied the tweak and went from 40 KB/s or less to 40-43 KB/s stable. I have been d/ling numerous files starting yesterday and the speed increase is certain. My connection d/ls at a faster, more stable speed now. I'm running 384/384 SDSL (?), speedstream bridge -> NIC. thx mnosteele,

queen

Lee_Nover · Post by **Lee_Nover** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:10 pm

I tried this tweak and tested it by downloading a large file and using the analyzer at the same time. By putting a load on the connection, my latency increased. Windows should adjust the RWIN size with the increased latency to [url]http://www.speedguide.net,[/url] but it didn't. It was stil 17,520. What criteria does windows use to auto adjust the rwin size? The analyzer stated 17,520 when my latency was 80 ms, and 139 ms (downloading a large my file increased the latency). What's even more odd is that when I change my Duplex to 100/half, my RWIN goes to 64,240.

TrevGlas · Post by **TrevGlas** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:28 pm

Auto adjusting your Rwin wont reduce latencies... it COULD increase bandwidth though

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:50 pm

It went snail speed after the change, sorry.

Lee_Nover · Post by **Lee_Nover** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:49 pm

Originally posted by TrevGlas
Auto adjusting your Rwin wont reduce latencies... it COULD increase bandwidth though

I think you are missing my point. I put stress on the connection by downloading a large file while doing the TCP Analyzer. RWIN size should increase with increased latency. It did not when I load tested the connection. My question is what determines RWIN size when windows does it automatically? I thought it was latency.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:10 pm

Originally posted by Lee_Nover
My question is what determines RWIN size when windows does it automatically? I thought it was latency.

Originally posted by mnosteele52
When you connect to a server/site your pc and the remote pc agree upon a TcpWindowSize and the transfer of data starts, your TcpWindowSize and the remote servers TcpWindowSize can never exceed one another and they will continuosly adjust themselves as needed for the best possible throughput.

Lee_Nover · Post by **Lee_Nover** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:31 am

"will continuosly adjust themselves as needed"

Based on what criteria?

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:54 am

Originally posted by Lee_Nover
"will continuosly adjust themselves as needed"

Based on what criteria?

The remote computer will send you the packets or a syn when your computer recives the packet saying this packet is sending it at this value windows would take over the adjuments on your computer based on the syn packet.

http://secinf.net/info/nt/2000ip/tcpipimp.html this paper is kinda thick but my description isn't the best but it's a very simple one.

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:05 pm

~ 2K views CONGRATULATIONS

yaaaaa agree, not easy to read above
but I like so much, simply "explanations & advices" to read 'White Papers'

or as below links to sources:
Microsoft Windows 2000 TCP/IP Implementation Details http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/te ... lement.asp
TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters
http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... US;q120642 for Windows 2000 or Windows NT
http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... us;Q314053 for Windows XP
Microsoft TCP/IP Registry Entries http://www.ncat.co.uk/Net_Lib/microsoft/tcp-ip_reg.htm NCAT Ltd

RE : follow advice

I prefer read books (also)
IMVHO books are easier to bite & swollow (than UNprocessing a white paper)
eg links : http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/easter ... k15242.htm
Microsoft Windows 2000 Performance Tuning Technical Reference
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server will dramatically reduce the cost of owning
and managing enterprise computing resources and deliver the ultimate platform for developing
and deploying distributed applications
http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/easter ... k13171.htm
Microsoft Windows 2000 TCP/IP Protocols and Services Technical Reference
Find the in-depth technical information you need to support TCP/IP on Windows® 2000 with this title.
It presents a detailed picture of TCP/IP protocols and services for Windows 2000 networks
and discusses how to use them to maximize LAN/WAN performance.
http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/easter ... k15517.htm Inside Microsoft Windows 2000, Third Edition
Master the inner workings of Microsoft's premier operating system with this updated guide
to the Microsoft Windows 2000 core architecture and internals.

BTW option with similar (~equal) probability ~ 1/3 ~33.(3)%
- one can say : result is exactly close to 'placebo effects'
- but unfortunately from methodology reasons
IMO result canNOT be put to proper interpretation eg :
- did not Qs - data about: fluctuations (speed; RTT); connection; OS; hdw;
- did not clean experiment's thesis

for internet connections dwl 512kbps with RTT < 150ms
default RWIN=12*MSS (started as default) is correct
& any RWIN increase in mentioned connection is NOT beneficial
+ RWIN increase is recomended in case increase RTT
- eg each additional ca +50ms ~ is coresponded with + [2*MSS value]
so Q: is 'time stamp' beneficial in such case?

for internet connections dwl equal or > 1500 kbps
any default RWIN value increases improve speed - is beneficial.

proposed the settings
potentialy (& possibly) can be benefical :
for internet connections (both: cable & adsl) with dwl equal or >>> 1500 kbps
in w2k; wXP; w2k3
also 'on good hdw'
RTT ? ms.

BTW that are implications coresponding with problem explained in
link http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... -US;810382 Default TCP Window Size Is Still Used
After You Specify a Different TCPWindowSize Value

Gary W · Post by **Gary W** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:35 pm

~ 2K views CONGRATULATIONS

Wow, that's madness, just noticed that too

rcnoweis · Post by **rcnoweis** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:30 pm

with windows xp pro
roadrunner central frlorida (caps of 3 meg down 384 k up)
doing what you said slowed my downloads by 200k
and slowed my uploads by 8 k

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:33 pm

Originally posted by rcnoweis
with windows xp pro
roadrunner central frlorida (caps of 3 meg down 384 k up)
doing what you said slowed my downloads by 200k
and slowed my uploads by 8 k

RCN what do you have as your default recive winodw??

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:39 pm

CONGRATULATION : 2k582 views
w2k or wXP RWIN values leave blank + windows scaling 'ON'
in CN prg settings
- near one mth experiments (annoucement 27dec2003)
on customers' internet connections

IMVHO important with harmfull settings experiments :
1. the subjects in mentioned are 'living things' - internet customers
vvvvv.often & the most of them : pure; innocent; unsophisticated
+ 2. evry participant should be asked on experiment approval
+ 3. in advices should be optional :
experimental (clearly marked) but also recomended value
hehehhehheheheheheh

CaptainSpeleo · Post by **CaptainSpeleo** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:26 am

Mnosteele:

I was made aware of and directed to your poll post by McCoffee, so I tried your suggestions and left GlobalMaxTcpWindowSize and TcpWindowSize blank and changed Tcp1323Opts to 1. I'm using Roadrunner cable and Cablenut 4.08.

With DefaultReceiveWindow set at 256000, my test speeds at Speakeasy(Miami site) were:

354/1907
353/1910
311/1910

With DefaultReceiveWindow set at 384000, my test speeds at Speakeasy(Miami site) were:

320/1913
353/1905
366/1913

In both cases, the TCP/IP Analyzer showed RWIN as 17520.

It seems pretty obvious that the download speed in my area is still capped at 2000 and not 3000.

Frank's Windows 95/98 Tips (Also a Windows XP user)

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:33 pm

Okay, so I tried this again and guess what...

I got about the same speeds, nothing noticable. Only thing it did, it made my network browsing horrid! It was wayyy too slow to browse, the computer practically hung whenever I tried. Don't know if this happened to anyone else, but it happened to me.

CaptainSpeleo · Post by **CaptainSpeleo** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:40 pm

Update: The Roadrunner download speed cap was raised in my area on Tuesday night from 2000 to 3000. I'm now averaging about 2800.

I'm using a value of 128480 for GlobalMaxTcpWindowSize and TcpWindowSize because I was actually getting lower speeds by leaving them blank in the Cablenut adjuster. The TCP/IP Analyzer test didn't like 96360 either, which is another reason why I'm using 128480.

Frank's Windows 95/98 Tips (Also a Windows XP user)

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:50 pm

greetings friends glad to see everyone is still trying to push the envelope, even though its not going to be pushed further than what your caps are.

ok first and foremost, its been a while since i been here but i must say this,, Cablenut messes up my connection speeds something fierce.
and when you install cablenut and tell it to retrieve current reg values there is nothing there, which leads me to believe yet again that cablenut is still using the wrong reg values ,, especially when you do a fresh install of cablenut(not having altered anything in the past) and you click retrieve values, and nothing happens, all values are blank,, there is truly only 2 conclusions,, either windows is wrong in that its holding the values in the wrong reg entries or cablenut is wrong in that its reading the wrong values.
i chose the second one simply because after using tweaks most people report a loss in speed, and it takes a fair amount of tooling around with CN for the speed to increase or a total rollback of the registry that you should have saved prior to applying CN changes.

ok so i figured id give CN a try again last week and implemeneted several different values and guess what,, my speeds went much lowerer. roughly around 200-300k lower in download and roughly 30-40 lower in upload speed.
now i took cable nut and deleted all values, making all cable nut boxex blank,, and saved it,, and rebooted,, and guess what BAM my speeds went back up and better than they had been. not by alot but it was noticeable after repeated speed tests. (3 consecutive tests at speakeasy chicago, miami, dallas and portland.)
its sad but most peoples troubles in the USA will be found in the fact that their ISP's are using the ****ty AT&T backbones, and if anyone has used them and watched them AT&T backbones are frigging terrible,, go down and are problematic all the time,, and AT&T refuses to fix anything,, all they do is reroute your packets to a different router, instead of repairing the bad router in the node.

anyways so steele my man, i tried your little tweak which for me meant only adding the value of 1 to the tcp13230pts
and guess what that single lonely little 1, messed up my speeds,, again i dropped roughly 200k on download and roughly 20k on upload.
again i removed the 1 and speeds went back up.

so in conclusion,, screw cable nut. its never worked for me,, and is goofy for most people who use it, and truly dont do anything in the big picture.
ive supports SG.net for gosh,, 3 4 years or so,, but cablenut is not the tool to be using i dont think. im not sure what is..

ok i know your not liking what im saying,, but be honest for a minute.

how many of you,, can say in all honesty that these tweaks are helping,, now think of this..
install windows FRESH,, now do some speed tests,, now install CN do some speed tests,, i will GUARENTEE you that your speeds in general will be faster and ltency better with a fresh windows install.
now i can only speak for normal cable and dsl,, for those of you stuck with pppoe or other things,, well i cant speak for you.

if your not getting at least 20k below your caps you need to be calling your ISP and complaining and KEEP COMPLAINING untill they fix the ****,. it IS their responsability to make sure you are getting the speeds you pay for. even though they SAY they "dont guarentee it" you are not gunna lose if by chance it ever went to court. they will fix it,, alot of times it just takes a persistant attitude and a persuasive voice.

for me my CAPs are 3000/256 and i get around 3100 down and about 211-220 up and that is with a fresh install of windows OR making cablenut have blank entries for everything.
using cablenut,, forget it,, my upload goes to below 200 and my download goes below 3000,.,
so supposed tweaks arent tweaks for most people.

i think now days more or less your modem config files your isp and your routers are making your speeds all they can be,, but dont forget a slow pc isnt going to help, you can have a super fast connection but if the influx of data cant be handled by a slower pc (pci bus, cpu old network card, old modem or router or hub) then things are going to bottleneck. along with crappy rj45 cables in your house or apartment or heighborhood.(that right there can make your speeds worse than ever, and no cable company likes to send techs out to change or test wiring,, but again,, be persistant and they will do it.)

the gentlemen here are some of the most knowledgeable networking guru;s ive had the pleasure of being around on the net, but for me, i feel like people are looking too deep,, looking for that fountain of internet youth that truly isnt there, microsoft isnt making their os's to run at top speed, this we all know, but i think your tweaks are going to far and in fact making things run off kilter.

software installed from your ISP is a bad thing, those softwares are like windows,, they arent optimised for speed, they are set for stability. dont use them unless you have to,, and even if you do have to. call your isp and talk to a Tech 2. and ask them for any tweaks to speed things up, those guys come here they know all about this stuff, they know how to make your cable or dsl or whatever run at where it should,, but again,, they may not want to do it.,

steele,, youve always given great advice,, and ive stood by you dude, not always but mostly.
but ,,, hhmm,, nah no buts...

remember this is my opinion it may not be yours,, you may not like it, you may not agree with it,, but its my right to speak my mind openly and freely and believe me,, i do everytime i open my mouth.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:29 pm

This where your mistake lestat there i only one value that has anything to do with latency or ping wich is mtu. What cracks me up is doing a clean install will help in ur latency rofl latency /ping is part of icmp a total different protocol icmp or ping comes from routers , cable,etc etc a clean install won't do anything to change it.

Plus also i could show you post after post of people running on defaults and not seeing good resaults i'm myself are getting 2.2 mb on 2.0 line how is that when i'm using cablenut??

especially when you do a fresh install of cablenut(not having altered anything in the past) and you click retrieve values, and nothing happens, duh see the thing about cablenut is i'm laughing so hard i could barely type this.

Everything in cablenut is in the tcpip stack if you read the above white papers you shall see that. Why would microsoft take time and white those papers with the vaules you can change if it's suppose to be on default, about that 1 almost every missed the point. We left rwin on default with tcpopts 123 to 1.

The 1 is suppose increase the rwin past the default when need ed if it has to be increase when the remote computer is sending large data packets.

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:33 pm

where in that huge novel that i just wrote ddid you see me say anything,, A N Y T H I N G about latency

there are soooo many factors that go into latency that a simple tweaks isnt going to be good enough.,
base install of windows is going to yileld the best results your ever gunna get for about 98% of the broadband users out there,, thats the facts,, fi you NEED to tweak your rig,, call your isp and tell them to quick fooling with crap and get with the new millenium and actually have their equipment set up to run effectively with windows instead of fighting it.

and besides latency is the time it takes a packet to travel from point a to point B increasing your rwin mtu and such isnt going to help latecy,, bigger packets will decrease it,, as its a larger packet,, unless of course your stayiojng within your range of 1500,, anything beyond 1500 will be fragmented,, and THAT will cause latency issues. unless your on a gigbyte network,, then you have things called jumbo packets.
andyways,, nopthing i said was in any way shape or form related to latency,, and i dont think this tweak is meant to alter latency in a good or bad way,, its for speed not latency,, or "lag"

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:35 pm

Vlestat whatever's redrick actully some isps have been sending people here why is that???

how many of you,, can say in all honesty that these tweaks are helping,, now think of this..
install windows FRESH,, now do some speed tests,, now install CN do some speed tests,, i will GUARENTEE you that your speeds in general will be faster and ltency better with a fresh windows install.
now i can only speak for normal cable and dsl,, for those of you stuck with pppoe or other things,, well i cant speak for you.

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:49 pm

i said latency 1 time,, 1 time from the whole post and you pick that one thing to go after,, sheesh dude.

it IS a fact man,, try it yourself next time you load a machine with XP or 2k.

latency is FAR FAR more effected by external influences that it is by windows UNLESS you go fooling around with cablenut, which can and WILL make your gaming worse, or whatever your testing your latency with.

i mean honestly man,,

anyways,, i didnt post what i said to start a pissing contest.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:51 pm

You just agreed that latency and ping is controled by the isp with the exeception of mtu so how is your gamming going to be effected explain please most games run off of udp protocols wich has nothing to do with cablenut.

latency is FAR FAR more effected by external influences that it is by windows ROFL show me any tenical document with the exception of mtu that windows controls latency any book magazine please share i'm lauing so hard.

I just hope you don't have cable with the shared bandwith by your logic everytime you dip in about 10kbs you format

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:11 pm

coffe your a ****ing retard,,

you are taking EVERYTHING I SAID AND YOUR TWISTING IT BACKWARDS

DUDE ENGLISH S NOT YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE<< WHAT IS!! ILL TRANSLATE IT SO YOU FRIGGIN UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING

god damn it now youve pissed me off.

ROFL show me any tenical document with the exception of mtu that windows controls latency any book magazine please share i'm lauing so hard.

your a retard i said OUTSIDE influences controls latency more than windows does,, jesus christ..

You just agreed that latency and ping is controled by the isp with the exeception of mtu

where the hell did i say ANYHING like that.

omfg,, dude you have no clue what latency is do you.

WHAT IS LATENCY BOYS AND GIRLS!

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:15 pm

Too busy laughing then spell checking and this what i'm talking about

latency is FAR FAR more effected by external influences that it is by windows UNLESS you go fooling around with cablenut, which can and WILL make your gaming worse, or whatever your testing your latency with. Did you just not say that.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:47 pm

V have good day man also don't forget to format everytime u lag

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:06 pm

"even though they SAY they "dont guarentee it" you are not gunna lose if by chance it ever went to court. they will fix it,, alot of times it just takes a persistant attitude and a persuasive voice."

Thats the most moronic thing ive ever read in my entire life...if I ever come to your house for a speed issue, PLEASE act that way, because id laugh and leave

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:08 pm

Wee on a side note could I pm you with a quick question?? Wow career related

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:19 pm

yeah dude bye bye i dont care who you think ou are this whole conversation of latency is ****ed up,, and you ASSUMING my ENTIRE novel of a post i made was entirely based on latency is friggin retarded.

its a fact,, one that you obviously havent learned yet,, read the forum stick around a few yrs and youll see that cablenut will mess up your latency if you go screwing with the wrong settings.
im not talking HUGE im talking youll see your gaming performance go down.

and once again since your the master and im the grasshopper.

E X T E R N A L influences will cause your latency,, latency = time for packet to travel from you to the destination, it will cause problems MORE than windows every will.

EXTERNAL means ****ing sunspots,, icy cablelines (since its winter) heavey network traffic, bad router on the backbone., your isp being overrun my speed greedy uncappers, too many people in a game server. jesus must i go on and on and on ?

but you go ahead and take everything i said in that huge post up above and pick out the 1 and only ****ing time i said latency and then start a retarded ****ing argument where you take everything i say and twisted around so bad tha you piss me off bad enough im cursing. and calling you names,, justifiably i might add.

anyways have fun with your Cablenut and your little 1 number trick and then read your thread again count the yes's and no's and realise that your little trick is causing more harm than good.

bye bye ta ta, aloha,,, jesus,, its no wonder people get so ****ing pissed around here you guys are idiots trying to pose as gods.

where the hell is mnosteele anyways.. and cablenut,, and some of the old crew that actually made and found tweks that worked.

spell checkk yeah dude,, uh huh,., do you even know that i can misspell 90% of these posts and the human mind STILL reads the words as if they were full properly spelled words? didnt know that did you,, but once again your reading more into ****..
now you really wanna know what i said all this time,, close your eyes take a deep breath and RE FRIGGIN READ WHAT I SAID

your more than welcome to pm me anything you want dude, this anger i show is only related to this ongoing deal,, its business nothing personal

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:30 pm

This is too good cablenut has nothing to do with latency and ping

Master as i said b4 teach me, show me where cablenut has affected latency or windows for that mattered I'm laughing so hard i admit i can't type but this is too funny. You format you get better ping rofl Have fun formating

Also you haven't shown me or try to disprove me all you do is insault me rofl I'm with wee if i have had a house call at ur house i would take the computer and the internet from you and give a copy of pc for dummies and also internet for dummies and say you are not getting ur pc back untill u learn how a computer/internet works.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:54 pm

V so i'm not getting an xmas card this year???

chpalmer · Post by **chpalmer** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:02 pm

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:04 pm

mccoffee
A+tech/expert tweaker
you make house calls with that big bad a+ Cert ?

lol house call ?? ok dude i will no longer follow your trail of ignorance.

once again you really need to do your research int ot he history of cablenut and what has happened with it in the past years, and what has been tested and what hasnt been i was here when it was tested and released. now ill admit i havent used it much becuase of 2 things
1)
it screws up my internet speeds, mine and a WHOLE LOT of other peoples
2)
there is no REAL speed increase with this tool, most results yield a 10-15k increase , which once again if you had read what i said can be esplined by internet traffic at the time of the test, sever load , isp load, backbone load. TONS and TONS of variables.

cable nut will tweak yes but , but but, what it does tweak, can and usually does either make no difference or it causes a slowdown,. why ? beacuse a base windows install, is gunna yield you the best speeds your probably gunna get, this is about 95% true with ALL cable internet. DSL im not sure but ive been here long enough to know that dsl speed increases from using cablenut are just as few and far between as they are with cable.

this is just another fact among the many i have already stated,

there are NO REAL speed increases with this tool when your using cable and most dsl,, now again,, ive stated i dont know about pppoe and other stuff as ive never used it., but ive recommended cable to people and talked to many who have used it and they agree, it either messed up their speed or yields no increase at all, and they all pretty much agree that certain setting have caused their latency to be raised,, meaning gaming ping's are worse.

no offense to you, mnosteele cablenut or anyone else but as sweet as the CN program is,, there is no REAL WORLD speed increases gained from using it. again this is the case for most people,, maybe not you,, maybe you think a 15k increase is worth using it.. to me,, and 99% of the other world,, 15k is nothing,, and means nothing and can be explained by simple "its the nature of networking.
hell at any given time on any given day,, i can get a 50-100k increase or decrease in speed tests.
now i will say that it was stated long ago that cablenut/these tweaks ARE NOT going to yield astronomical speed increases but what it will do at the LEAST is make your speed more stable,, make is fluctuate less. which,, i can agree with, since your telling windows,, not to fluctuate things like mtu,, your telling it,, hey ,, stay with a set value,, this causing speeds to remain as true as the internet will allow

anyways man,, keep tweakin dude,, whatever tickles your fancy,,

like i said,, and like many other in this thread have said,, this tweak of yours,, this test,,, isnt working,, in fact its causing internet and lan networking to go to hell in a handbasket.

on a side note dude,, you gotta get your nose out of those white pages,, the internet and LAN networking doesnt work from a white page,, a solid as rock, carved in stone set of rules,, they are only variables,, they are "if this happens, then this "should" happen"
if your 1/2 ans knowledgeable as you claim to be then you would know that there are thousands of variables at any given time on the internet that can cause things to not work properly. and i find it impossible to believe a simple tweak, can make a difference,, expecially after jesus,, whats it been now,, its been over a decade,, and the tcp stack hasnt changed that much,, would you have me and everyone else believe that these tweaks have NEVER been tried and tested before ? of course they have and its more than likely been conclusively decideed that the tweaks,, given the ever changed status of the internet,, do NOT work.

ok now im off my soap box,, ill go bax to modding my xbox and leave you gents to your ever frustrating never ending tweaking.

but remember 2 things, again theyve been said a millions times all over the world.

1)
you will NOT NOT NOT go OVER your rated caps from your ISP with tweaks. there are other means that we are not allowed to discuss for that,, and they'll land you in jail.

2)
of your already getting 90% of what your paying for in speed,,,,, then be happy and realise life is good.

V_LESTAT · Post by **V_LESTAT** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:10 pm

lol at palmer,,,
i feel the same way,, im just sitting here with baited breathe to see what other carnage he will spew from his lips.
and wondering when he will stop using bablefish and translating my English into engRish. he is totally misunderstanding everything i say and ,, oh hell,,,

good night all..

enjoy what this A+ tech is teaching you.

and just so you newbies understand what this A+tech is
A= Tech is the lowest microsoft certification you can have its a hardware certification,, all it says is that yes i know what a pc is,, a hard drive a modem and so on. it means NOTHING! it does NOT qualify him as any kind of a tech,, and just so you know,, ive had my a+ cert for over 10 yrs,, and the tet hasnt changed much at all.

oh yeah,, it asks you a bunch of stupid crap about printers and the printing process,, so yeah he can change printer ink cartridges.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:17 pm

Lay off insulting people dude, your making yourself look seriously stupid.

"you will NOT NOT NOT go OVER your rated caps from your ISP with tweaks. there are other means that we are not allowed to discuss for that,, and they'll land you in jail."

Uhh who said you would? Hello?

You have got the most rotten attitude ive seen on here in quite awhile, your acting like a child, I just had to say that.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:18 pm

once again you really need to do your research int ot he history of cablenut and what has happened with it in the past years, and what has been tested and what hasnt been i was here when it was tested and released. now ill admit i havent used it much becuase of 2 things
1)
it screws up my internet speeds, mine and a WHOLE LOT of other peoples
2)
there is no REAL speed increase with this tool, most results yield a 10-15k increase , which once again if you had read what i said can be esplined by internet traffic at the time of the test, sever load , isp load, backbone load. TONS and TONS of variables.

Rofl lauging there i know about handful of people that had ameritech 1.5-6.0 plain with defaults loaded with tweaks there are averaging 4-5megs explain that. I could show you all the postives that came from cablenut i bet ya it's out weighs the negatives.

I would love to know what vaules you added in cablenut.

I just helped a lady with ool with defaults and here speed doubled by using cablenut Rofl there is no speed increase then tell me this why post after post people are gainning speed with this program why is it winning so many awards from techtv and couple others. Heck even in the paper it saids rwin should be adjusted to mss.

I know the tcpip white papers are no 100 percent accurate but it's a good base ,exactly what i said why would windows take the time to give adjument vaules for the tcpip parameters why??

You keep saying cablenut effects gamming the the bigges load of bs i ever heard why most games are run by the protocol udp
which is a connectless protocol why do they call it connectless it's not as realible as tcpip. You can't tweak gaimming period.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:01 pm

You forgot n+ soon be ccna

A+ is not a microsoft cert it's compita yes a+ and N+ it's an entry level cert. The ccna is another entry cert but it only has i think a 60% pass rate any cicso cert is hard, didn't test yet.

I love this V_lestat guy he has no proof or documantation to back up claims rofl

I exchanged words with with people with 4year degrees on here and belive me i knew more then them.

The argument in that particular one was that mtu was not adjusting though the optimizer and the guy said hey use dr.tcp. I simpley stated if the optimizer didn't change mtu neither would dr.tcp. That lead to and aguremnt such as this one.

There is arguments on thease forums all the time i'm not pround of but if are a new computer user reading what V said and follow it you have set ur self back. Most computer errors are human related in his case the whole cablenut thing is a 10diot error.

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