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Poor Uncached Memory-PC PitStop

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Okay, I've read several postings concerning poor Uncached Memory tests with the PC PitStop utility but I haven't seen any as bad as what is to follow. I'm pasting the entire detail results here in case anyone can help. I have an 80wire ATA Cable on the hard drive and the DMA is checked. If anyone can help here send me a reply. Here's the low down.

SUMMARY:
Test Results Summary


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Quick Summary

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Subsystem Description Performance Configuration
System AMD Athlon, 1000MHz
Memory 512MB RAM
Disk Drive C
Video NVIDIA GeForce2 MX Family
Internet MSIE 5.5
Windows Windows 98 SE
Security
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Your Score: 514


NOW THE DETAIL:

Wed Sep 26 20:10 CT

Main Board

Description Your Results
Brand/Model VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363
Type Desktop
Serial Number Not available
BIOS Award Software International, Inc. 6.00 PG 07/06/2001
System Buses PCI,ISA



Processor

Description Your Results
Brand/Model AMD Athlon
Nominal Clock Speed 1000 MHz
Measured Clock Speed 1000 MHz
External Clock Speed 100 MHz
CPUID Information 0x0642 0x183F9FF
CPU Load 1%
Speed Rating 3087 (102% of 25484 similar)




Memory Configuration

Description Results
RAM installed 512 MB
Windows RAM 512 MB
Total RAM slots 4
Available RAM slots 4
Max RAM module size 256 MB
Memory Type
Speed Rating 2603 MB/s (105% of 25484 similar)



Speed rating is measured in megabytes per second. The percentage indicates the performance of this system compared to systems in our database with a similar CPU and clock speed; the number of similar systems is also shown. For example, a score of 50% would indicate this system had half the performance of comparable systems; 200% would indicate twice the performance. A "normal" number is 100% plus or minus about 15%.

According to the data reported by the system BIOS, there are 4 available memory slots on the system board. That means you can add memory simply by inserting new memory modules into the empty slots. On this system, memory modules can be up to 256MB, so you could add up to 1024MB of RAM without removing the existing memory modules.

Related Information
PC Pitstop Mechanic's Lesson: "RAM: The Poor Man's PC Upgrade"
Upgrading RAM, when to upgrade, where to go for upgrades.


Disk Drive Letters


These are drive letters associated with hard disk drives. This list does not include drive letters for floppy disks or other removable media such as CD-ROM, DVD, Zip or Jaz drives.

Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 32 KB
Drive label WIN98SE
Size 38152 MB
Free space 20241 MB (53%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Thu Aug 23 2001
Data fragmentation 0%
File fragmentation 0%
Last defrag Tue Sep 25 2001
Junk files 63 MB (0%)
Cached speed 141.41 MB/s (108%)
Uncached speed 0.85 MB/s (22%) <<<<<==== NOTICE THIS



Percentages shown for free space and junk files (temporary files, browser cache, Recycle Bin files) represent the size relative to the total disk capacity. A disk with 50% free space is half-full (or half-empty, if you're an optimist).

Data fragmentation measures the percentage of data on the disk that is contained in fragmented files. File fragmentation is the percentage of files on the disk that are fragmented. Some disk optimization programs such as Win98 Disk Defragmenter intentionally fragment files to place them in the best position to ensure quick program loading, so the fragmentation measures may be non-zero even after running a disk optimizer.

Cached and uncached speed is measured in megabytes per second (MB/s). When a percentage is shown for cached and uncached speed, it compares the performance of the drive with those of systems in our database with the same processor and clock speed. (Our database currently has 25484 similar systems.) A rating of 200% means a disk is twice the performance of similar systems, 50% means it's half the performance. Cached disk speed generally measures the efficiency of the system's processor and memory system, not the performance of the hard disk. Uncached speed is most affected by the physical hard disk and the disk interface.


Disk Drives


Here are the physical disk drives that we have detected on your system:

Drive 0
Drive letters C
Removable media No
Brand/Model WDC WD400BB-00AUA1
IDE details Master, DMA
Serial number WD-WMA6R2575745
Revision level 18.20D1


For IDE drives, IDE details show whether the drive has DMA enabled and is an IDE master (single drive, or master drive in a master/slave pair).


Disk Controllers


Here are the hard disk controllers that we have detected on your system:

Vendor Product
(Standard hard disk dirvers) Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
(Standard hard disk dirvers) Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
Into Networks, Inc IntoPlayer SCSI Emulator



CD/DVD Drives


Here are the CD and DVD drives that we have detected on your system:

Model Type Max Read Speed Max Write Speed
PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-115 DVD-ROM 7040 KB/s (40X) N/A
MAT****A CD-RW CW-7585 CD-RW 5644 KB/s (32X) 1411 KB/s (8X)



Video Board


Description Your Results
Brand/Model NVIDIA GeForce2 MX Family
Resolution 800x600 pixels
Colors 65,636
DirectX version 4.07.00.0700
OpenGL version 4.00
Acceleration options Enabled
Performance 146.69 MP/s (91% of 2 similar)


PC Pitstop's video performance performs a basic test of your system's graphics capabilities and reports the result in millions of pixels displayed per second (MP/s). The percentage indicates the performance of this system compared to systems in our database with a similar CPU, clock speed, and video board. For example, a score of 50% would indicate this system had half the performance of comparable systems; 200% would indicate twice the performance. Determining "normal" performance can be difficult, there can be wide differences due to video drivers even on the same video board.


Monitors


Description
Monitor Default Monitor SCEPTRE D98A
Max. Horizontal Resolution 0 pixels 1600 pixels
Max. Vertical Resolution 0 pixels 1200 pixels
Horizontal Size 0 cm 37 cm
Vertical Size 0 cm 28 cm
Viewable Diagonal Size 0 inch 18.27 inch
Manufacture Year 0 2001
Manufacture Week 0 7
Serial Number 0 0


Internet Configuration


Description Your Results
Bandwidth Down 1941 Kbits/sec
Bandwidth Up 359 Kbits/sec
Average Ping 92 ms
Ping Loss 0%
TCP Receive Window 64240
External IP Address ##.##.##.##
Internal IP Address ##.##.##.##
Browser MSIE 5.5
IE current cache 19 MB
IE max cache 80 MB


The Bandwidth measurement is, in simple terms, the transmission speed or throughput of your connection to the Internet. However, measuring bandwidth can be tricky, since the lowest bandwidth point between your computer and the site you're looking at determines the effective transmission speed at any moment. Our tests measure the Internet bandwidth between your computer and PC Pitstop's servers.

In general, if your bandwidth result is roughly 85% of the rated connection speed for your modem or device, you're receiving acceptable throughput (though shared connections may affect this, too). However, since Internet performance can be erratic and you can't expect to get nominal bandwidth every time you test, you should test several times, and at different times of the day, to get the most accurate rating. To repeat only our Bandwidth test and get more information, plus tips for improving performance, click here.

Average Ping measures the round-trip time in milliseconds for a packet to travel from the PC being tested to PC Pitstop's web site and back; lower numbers indicate better performance. Ping Loss indicates what percent of the packets sent did not return; ideally this should be zero, indicating that all the packets were returned.

Ping times and losses can vary greatly depending on the speed and quality of your Internet connection, congestion on the Internet, and the load being handled by the PC Pitstop server. In general, ping times under 100ms are typical of T1, DSL, or cable modems. Consistent ping times of more than 500ms should only be seen in connections that span continents (e.g., USA to Europe) and/or are linked by satellite. Ping losses usually indicate Internet congestion.

For additional testing of your browser configuration and Internet connection, we recommend BrowserTune.


Windows Configuration


Description Your Results
Common Name Windows 98 SE
Full Version Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
Free Resources 84%
Fonts Installed 60
Windows Scripting Version 5.0.531.7
CPU Load 1%
MaxPhysPage Limit No Limit
Min File Cache 16 MB
Max File Cache 44 MB
Swap File Status Enabled (C :)
Min Swap File -1957.77 MB
Max Swap File None


The MaxPhysPage, file cache, and swap file values are generally used only by advanced users but are shown here for reference.


Running Programs


These are the programs running at the time this computer was tested. Click on a file name to see more information about it.

Description Application File Name
Disc Detector Unknown C:\PROGRA~1CREATIVE\SHAREDLL\CTNOTIFY.EXE
Disc Detector Unknown C:\PROGRA~1CREATIVE\SHAREDLL\MEDIADET.EXE
Unknown
C:\PROGRA~1\DATALI~1\8263142\PROGRAM\BACKWE~1.EXE
NETSERVICE MFC Application Unknown
C:\PROGRA~1\FARSTONE\VIRTUA~1\NETSRV.EXE
TASKBARW MFC Application Unknown
C:\PROGRA~1\FARSTONE\VIRTUA~1\VDTASK.EXE
Unknown
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTTASK.EXE
Task Scheduler Engine Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSTASK.EXE
Run a DLL as an App (Various) C:\WINDOWS\rundll32.exe
Windows Explorer Windows C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
Win32 Kernel core component Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
Multimedia background task support module Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MMTASK.TSK
WIN32 Network Interface Service Process Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
Windows 32-bit VxD Message Server Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
System Tray Applet Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SysTray.Exe
WMI service exe housing Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WMIEXE.EXE


Security Configuration


Description Your Results
ActiveX Security Issues None
IE Restricted Zone Permissions Java enabled
Script ActiveX controls marked safe for scripting
Active scripting enabled




Performance Analysis


Your PC seems to be a recent model, so it probably makes more sense to upgrade it (if necessary) than to buy a new one.

The table below summarizes the major areas of your desktop PC and how they compare to our recommended levels for performance and features for a new PC. You can use this information when shopping for upgrades or a new PC. See below for information on how we calculate the database percentile. If you do consider a new system, please see our tips for upgrading.



Area Your PC Database
Percentile Recommended
Minimum Overall
Rating
System AMD Athlon, 1000MHz 89 500 MHz Processor
Memory 512 MB 98 256 MB
Disk 37.26 GB 82 10 GB
Video Resolution 800 x 600, 16-bit N/A 800x600, 16-bit

About the Database Percentile: This number shows you how your PC compares to all other computers that have been tested at PC Pitstop. For example, your system score of 89 indicates that 11 percent of all systems tested at PC Pitstop had a higher clock speed than your computer. Higher numbers are better of course, with 100 meaning it's in the top 1 percent of all the systems we've tested.



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well I suggest you

Post by terrancelam »

DEFRAGMENT!
Start =>
Programs=>
Accessories=>
System Tools=>
Disk Defragmenter

barring that, I'm assuming you've not installed you Via 4in1s. Install those and then do the test again.
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Post by fartface »

They should have a little tip that you can click on that shows you the steps to fixing that problem. i had the same problem, and you have to configure it in config.sys, something like that.
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Post by drdoug99 »

Data fragmentation 0%
File fragmentation 0%
Last defrag Tue Sep 25 2001


he just defragged terrancelam, plus there is no fragment files anyway.

from your results Rayser, it looked like you had a lot of programs running.
Running Programs


These are the programs running at the time this computer was tested. Click on a file name to see more information about it.

Description Application File Name
Disc Detector Unknown C:\PROGRA~1CREATIVE\SHAREDLL\CTNOTIFY.EXE
Disc Detector Unknown C:\PROGRA~1CREATIVE\SHAREDLL\MEDIADET.EXE
Unknown
C:\PROGRA~1\DATALI~1\8263142\PROGRAM\BACKWE~1.EXE
NETSERVICE MFC Application Unknown
C:\PROGRA~1\FARSTONE\VIRTUA~1\NETSRV.EXE
TASKBARW MFC Application Unknown
C:\PROGRA~1\FARSTONE\VIRTUA~1\VDTASK.EXE
Unknown
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTTASK.EXE
Task Scheduler Engine Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSTASK.EXE
Run a DLL as an App (Various) C:\WINDOWS\rundll32.exe
Windows Explorer Windows C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE
Win32 Kernel core component Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL
Multimedia background task support module Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MMTASK.TSK
WIN32 Network Interface Service Process Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MPREXE.EXE
Windows 32-bit VxD Message Server Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSGSRV32.EXE
System Tray Applet Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SysTray.Exe
WMI service exe housing Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WMIEXE.EXE


the CTNOTIFY, and MEDIADET you should be able to stop.

C:\PROGRA~1\DATALI~1\8263142\PROGRAM\BACKWE~1.EXE
NETSERVICE MFC Application Unknown - dont know what that is, but you should be able to turn it off as well.

C:\PROGRA~1\FARSTONE\VIRTUA~1\VDTASK.EXE
Unknown
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTTASK.EXE
Task Scheduler Engine Windows C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\MSTASK.EXE - same with these, these should be safe to stop running.

I dont really know why you get such a low uncached score though.
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uncatched speed is low also 1.74MB

Post by reeo »

I have the same problem as you. Mine has improved slightly
from a month ago. I use endit all to stop running programs.
But there are still the common windows applications running.
I don't see a need to turn those off as they are always
running in the background anyway.
My ave score was 586, and I have near the same specs as you.
Everything else passed over 100%.
I could have posted it here but its a long list as you know.
System had a complete defrag, and was 1% fragmented.
I wonder if the Maxtor HD has anything to do with this?
Could it be a bad HD? Mine is a 30G and about 9 mo old.

There must be more to this that I sure don't understand.
Any suggestions anybody?

Thanks reeo :)
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either

Post by terrancelam »

install the via 4in1's, the latest version is v.33 I think. Only do this if you have a via based chipset mother board. This should improve your performance. Make sure to enable the DMA through this setup.

http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/4in1/4in1433V.zip
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Thanks Terrancelam

Post by reeo »

I do have a VIA KT 133 chipset. What excatly does it do?
I did download it and enabled DMA, it was checked allready.
Funny think my puter locked up after it finished.
I had to reset it to get it started again.
It seems to be working ok, but if I right click any file in that
zip It really does not say if its installed or not.
No check marks is read only, hidden or system.
I'm not sure what to do but it said 100% installed.
Do you think something went wrong here?
The OS is ME and there is a file in the for ME but the file size is O.

Whats your opinon? reeo
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The VIa 4in1

Post by terrancelam »

are suposed to proved better interfacing between the OS and the via chipset itself. Try installing it again, it shouldn't be stalling.

But before this, try PCpitstop again. BTW What OS are you using?
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Using ME

Post by reeo »

Later I'll go to PC pit stop and check it first. I had intentions
of doing that just to see if any change.
It will be later tonight so I'll see. Let me know if my OS
makes a difference.
ANd thanks again. reeo :)
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it does

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what OS are you using?
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Coolermaster 1000W Modular PSU
Antec NSK4480B
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

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Terrancelam

Post by reeo »

My last post in the header said Win ME.
You may have over looked it, and thats ok cause I know your trying to help so many.
I'll see what happens. 2 day i get my 256 megs of ram, so any last thoughts?
Once again thanks a ton. reeo :D
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I did the test again

Post by reeo »

At PC Pitstop I got exactly the same results.
I tried to install the zip you sent, but once again the
puter locked up.
I had to reset with the same results. Everything is working
but I'm still not sure the program is in.

Well its not my day. or year for that matter.
Maby its the system or ?

reeo :)
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Post by onetrueday »

Hi!!!

First of all, I see two problems. What the &!?! is this: Min Swap File -1957.77 MB, that is CRAZY! Ask someone how to change your swap file setup for ME, because I'm a little out of loop with ME. Change that to min/man 300, a nice round number. The other problem of course is how many programs you have running on startup, which should be closer to 4 at the most.

Now, let's tackle the bigger area. PcPitstop is fun to do when you're so incredibly bored that there is nothing left to entertain yourself with. It is not to be taken seriously for any reason. I'm much to lazy to look it up for you, so you'll have to find it yourself; but I would use hdtach to benchmark your drives. Go to http://www.yahoo.com and type in hdtach. Run that and post your scores and then we'll really know if you're having a hard drive problem or not.
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Sup

Post by dOnEdEaL83 »

Sup Reynor(at least i think that was your name i'm too lazy to hit the back button ;)
First of all i had the same prob.Right click 'My computer'->Properties->Performance->File System->Under settings switch the role of the comp to (Network server) ... at this point hit ok ,then reboot.
Hit 'Start'->Run(type in 'msconfig')next hit the SYSTEM.INI tab ..... go into vcache,these are the lines your gonna add :

Chunksize=1024
MinFileCache=131072
MaxFileCache=131072
*Reboot when done*

Basically you wanna have your vcache 1/4 of your physical memory(as you can see I did the math for you,np)


Your scores should be greatly improved ;)
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PitStop vs HDTach, Min Swap, onetrueday

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onetrueday: I saw that swap file size (strange to say the least) but I was under the impression that Windows handles the swap file specifications. I'm operating under 98SE not ME. Is this a Windows 98SE issue?

I'll try the HDTach utility and see what it reveals about my system. I use PCPitStop because it was the best one I found at the time. Thanks for the posting!

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Hey

Post by dOnEdEaL83 »

Those settings i gave you bro are the settings i use for my OS(winME)Only diff is that my max=98304 and min=98304 due to my 384mb of RAM.
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HD Tach

Post by reeo »

onetrueday,
I deleted that 4 in one v1433 zip for time being.
All it did was to lock up the puter after install, but seemed ok
once I rebooted.
For the time being I'll let windows manage file swap size.

Here are the scores from HD Tach

Random access time--12.4ms

Read Burst speed--2.2mps

Read speed--max-2294kps - Min2264kps -Average 2291kps

Cpu utilization--99.7%

My system is ME 256mb of ram with 256 more comming today.
So any changes in file swap size has to be done later.

Whats the opinion on the test?

Thanks, reeo
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donEdEal83

Post by reeo »

Who are those settings for?
I will have 512mb of ram and I do have win ME.
Is it me I'm getting a little confused as to whom
your post was directed to.

reeo
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Post by blebs »

When running Windows ME, do you have the system restore enabled? If so, and you feel comfortable doing it, disable it and run the tests, post your score, and reenable if you don't feel comfortable running without it. I'm running 98se and GoBack. If I have GB enabled, my drive performance suffers bigtime, turn it off and it scores well above normal. Just a thought.
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Sup again

Post by dOnEdEaL83 »

Reeo that was directed toward 'raynor' but you can also use those settings since you have 512mb and your OS is winME like you said ..... Chunksize=1024 MaxFileCache=131072 MinFileCache=131072(look at my first post if you don't know how to enter these new lines)

Later
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Blebs99

Post by reeo »

I did disable sys restore, and got the same results as before.
Thanks for the thought though. One thng I thought about doing was to limit the amount disc space it uses.
I know that has nothing to do with performance.

Thanks, reeo
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Post by onetrueday »

I'll keep this in my mind because your problem is going to require some thinking. Those scores show that you do have a serious problem and no swap file changes or cache changes are going to fix it. I'll write back later when the solution comes to me though. Until then, leave the cache be since there is NO REASON to set it to be over 100megs... that's silly. the 25% rule was true when people had 64 and 128 megs of ram, not the same anymore.
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I'm going to assume something here

Post by terrancelam »

Since I've covered most of the things and Onetrue has covered the others, we'll try this. I'm assuming that you didn't build this computer, so you don't know how the bios is setup. Get your motherboard manual and check it out. What make and model is your motherboard?

There should be an option to enable DMA from within the bios itself. Now I'm not sure what DMA mode your OS formatted the HD at, but I know that quite a few people were experiencing problems with lower scores because their OS was running the hd at slower ATA speeds by default. (I.E Win2K runs all hd's at ATA 66 by default and has to be changed by an update fix.)
So please check to see if the Ultra DMA option is enable in the BIOS first, then if it isn't and the problem is solve , that's it. If not, come back, I have something else in mind.

Also check your IDE cable, it's mostly the thing that's gone bad, if anything would have crapped out.
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Don't doubt the newbie 'OneTrueday'

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These were my scores before I changed my desktop to a network server and added those lines in my vcache(also did a defrag)



BEFORE
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Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB
Drive label DRIVE_C
Size 19459 MB
Free space 16581 MB (85%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Thu Jul 5 2001
Data fragmentation 2%
File fragmentation 3%
Last defrag Thu Jul 5 2001
Junk files 2 MB (0%)
Cached speed 133.56 MB/s (101%)
Uncached speed 2.27 MB/s (53%) <--------NOTICE


AFTER
---------------------------
Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB
Drive label WAZUP
Size 19459 MB
Free space 16583 MB (85%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Unknown
Data fragmentation 0%
File fragmentation 2%
Last defrag Unknown
Junk files 1 MB (0%)
Cached speed 131.15 MB/s (99%)
Uncached speed 6.2 MB/s (145%) <-----------NOTICE!!!!!!!!!!!



Now you tell me that ain't a big difference bro ;)
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Ummmm

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I took your advise (name here) about checking the DMA setting ... seems that lowered my un-cached speed

?!?!?
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Now run hdtach to ensure that the difference is real... FYI, that is a very good score for uncached drive speeds from pcpitstop.
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Didn't want to brag but..

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I just ran PCpitstop. Normally I score about 4.5secs for the uncached...after using that Via tweak thing..gees.

Disk Drive Letters


These are drive letters associated with hard disk drives. This list does not include drive letters for floppy disks or other removable media such as CD-ROM, DVD, Zip or Jaz drives.

Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB
Drive label No Label
Size 19530 MB
Free space 11504 MB (59%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Wed Sep 19 2001
Data fragmentation 21%
File fragmentation 2%
Last defrag Thu Sep 20 2001
Junk files 163 MB (1%)
Cached speed 194.74 MB/s (104%)
Uncached speed 8.6 MB/s (189%)

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Just a note to you all, but to Onetrue mostly, the virtual memory does matter, but only in certain cases. Your right when you say that most of the time having the cache set at 300 makes not difference then 512 or even 1024! But here is what I've discovered from just playing around (wasted a cd-r testing this out); Apparently having the virtual memory set at 512 and 1024 makes a BIG fricken difference if you want to surf the net, burn a cd, listen to Winamp and use a download program! I find that multitasking with 1024 is insanely easier, as if I'm using nothing at all from 512. But this just my opinion and experience on things.
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Well....

Post by dOnEdEaL83 »

Well you gonna make us ask for that tweak ? ;)

Nice scores


Like i said this is what I found to work well :
set max and minfilecache to 1/4 of your physical memory in kilobytes.If you have above 64mb your chunksize should be '1024'


Under system properties->Perfromence->virual memory it says "let windows manage" but i'm tellin you for a boost set both min and max at 2x your physical ram(so if you had 384mb you would turn both settings to 768)But what do i know hehe.

Kiss sluggish windows Goodbye!
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Here it is!

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http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/o ... 0_3012.zip

Read this warning they posted!

IDE performance drivers. If you use an IDE zip drive or CD-rewriter this file is not recommended.

The Tweakers Section

VIA recommends the process described above for users to choose the drivers necessary for their system. We do, however, recognise that some people like to install drivers individually and "tweak" their drivers. Therefore, here are drivers, some in beta version, that are in some instances included in the 4in1 drivers and are not necessary to be installed on their own. We will not provide support for people who experiment with driver combinations and beta drivers - so downloads from the table below are at your own risk.

http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2
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Damn

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Looks like i won't be using it due to the fact I use a cd-burner =/
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just to let you know

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I use a CD-r and I'm not having any problems.
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Thanks to all that are trying to help!!

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O/S is ME

512mb pc 133 SDRAM

M/B MSI K7T Pro2-A {MS-6330] VIA KT133 chipset
Manual says revision 1.0E- VT82C686A change
to VT82C686B South Bridge

MSI web site shows it to be a South Bridge.
I thought I read in there somewhere that board
needs needs different drivers, or something to that effect.

30GB Maxtor HD 7200 rpm

GeForce2 MX 32MB

I'm not a puter whiz so please bear with me.
There was not an option in BIOS to enable DMA
The only issues DMA related was set to AUTO

The Mobo was replaced about 2 mo ago because
the puter would just shut down.
Then it would post but shut down.
Its a long story but it has been corrected.

MSI web site has a live update and I thought about installing
that , but was not sure as it installs an Active X control.
The only driver update I saw was related to sound,
Other than the 4 in 1 download, that gave me a problem.

I'm thinking about changing that swap file size
if I knew what works best with ME. Easy enough to change.
Maby change vcache, if I do only one at a time.
I'd rather wait though to see if anyone has other ideas.

Thats all the info I have and I sure would like to cure
that uncatched problem.
All your replies are really appreciated!

Thanks, reeo
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Well from what I know

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if DMA is enabled and everything is installed correctly, it might your ata speed. Download the tweak I posted on the other page from via and tell me what ATA speed your hd is running at.

BTW other then this, it might be the IDE cable itself. still thinking about it.
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Wonder if i should brag now hehe

Post by dOnEdEaL83 »

Along with my tweaks and that prog you had me download these are my scores now :

Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB
Drive label WAZUP
Size 19459 MB
Free space 14853 MB (76%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Fri Sep 28 2001
Data fragmentation 0%
File fragmentation 0%
Last defrag Unknown
Junk files 1 MB (0%)
Cached speed 138.62 MB/s (105%)
Uncached speed 14.16 MB/s (330%)

BTW pcworld didn't detect my cd-burner hope it still works.
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%(*&%^%&$%&(*

Post by dOnEdEaL83 »

Well bro,My cd-rom and cdr are no longer detected ...
^$*&%$&%##%*&#&%#*$&$^
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Thanks a lot terrancelam

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Here are the numbers, BTW its a 1 GHZ Athlon.

Ultra-Dma mode 5 {ATA100] This was the default setting.
The spec sheet on the puter says On-Board IDE Ultra DMA 33/66 operational modes.
Is ATA 100 the correct setting?

The Hard drive is UDMA 66/100


The PCPitstop test before IDE Tool


Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB
Drive label DRIVE_C
Size 29291 MB
Free space 22677 MB (77%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Thu Sep 27 2001
Data fragmentation 3%
File fragmentation 1%
Last defrag Wed Sep 26 2001
Junk files 146 MB (0%)
Cached speed 140.71 MB/s (107%)
Uncached speed 1.74 MB/s (46%)


The test after IDE Tool

Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 16 KB
Drive label DRIVE_C
Size 29291 MB
Free space 24384 MB (83%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Fri Sep 28 2001
Data fragmentation 3%
File fragmentation 1%
Last defrag Wed Sep 26 2001
Junk files 152 MB (1%)
Cached speed 138.81 MB/s (106%)
Uncached speed 9.12 MB/s (239%)

What a huge difference!!

Another test HD Tach ==Before

Random access time=12.4 ms
Read Burst speed===2.2 mps
Read Speed Average=2291 kps
CPU utilization=====99.7%

HD Tach after IDE Tool

Random access time==12.2 ms
Read burst speed is off the chart over 36 mps
Read Speed Average=28945 kps
CPU utilization====== 14.1 %
Min swap file size -1816.52 == Should this be a minus number?
Maximum=======none

I never checked the IDE cable cause I don't know how!
I still don't know about that 4 in 1 update.
But here is a foot note on that subject from MSI
I do have a VIA South Bridge.

Currently these are the 4.33 drivers (alternatively via FTP). The 4in1 drivers are the same for all VIA chipsets and all Microsoft operating systems (Win 95, 98, 98SE, 2000, ME & XP).

If you have a hybrid chipset (ie. VIA southbridge and AMD northbridge), please contact your motherboard manufacturer for the correct drivers.

Thanks for the help its really appreciated. Sorry for the long post
If you see anything strange here let me know.

reeo :D :D
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Done deal

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use the IDE tool to revert the burner back to PIO mode, do the same for your HD.
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Then uninstall the ide tool

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I posted the warning for a reason. My apologies if you can't use it.
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Reeo

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Did you notice any performance differences? And it looks about right, but that HDtach score is seems a bit off.

Donedeal
BTW that should have happened for the CD-Rom, I'm going to assume it's an older model and wasn't capable of certain settings, so please reduce the settings in the IDE tool once again.
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terrancelam

Post by reeo »

The performance is good but I've not had the time to see
if the mod has made any real difference.
When I run some applications it should show.

I'm not a puter whiz, so when you say reduce settings
i'm not sure what to reduce it to.

HD default Ultra DMA mode 5 ATA100

Pioneer DVD-ROM Default Ultra DMA mode 2 ATA33

Ma****a CD-RW DMA mode 2

The option is there to change any setting for all drives.
I bought the Sys in Jan 2001 so its not real old.
I did notice the CPU temp was at 57 C , that has to wait.

So I need a clue as to what to reduce and to what.
CDROM and CD-RW responds ok, although I've not
put them thru a good test.

Thanks again, reeo
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