yet the US is considered the bad guys

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:31 am

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/20/iraq.main/index.html

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:00 am

Personally I don't consider the U.S. bad guys. I consider our President to be that.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:07 am

Bush is the devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Allah would be so proud of those brave men, putting those children in the line of fire like that.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:12 am

Bush isnt the devil, the devil is cooler.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:13 am

Roody wrote:Personally I don't consider the U.S. bad guys. I consider our President to be that.

true

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:14 am

i think we need to start playing a little more agressive

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:15 am

Gixxer wrote:i think we need to start playing a little more agressive

You mean like shock and awe?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:15 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Bush isnt the devil, the devil is cooler.

LMAO!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:15 am

Gixxer wrote:i think we need to start playing a little more agressive

I think we should not be playing or policing over there at all.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:17 am

Gixxer wrote:i think we need to start playing a little more agressive

When you have [edited out by Philip - offensive language] back home trying to tie the hand of the military and reveal secrets to the public, you have to tread a little more lightly.....cuz you know, you don't wanna offend anyone

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:21 am

Prey521 wrote:When you have [edited out by Philip - offensive language] back home trying to tie the hand of the military and reveal secrets to the public, you have to tread a little more lightly.....cuz you know, you don't wanna offend anyone

perhaps it's that we're tired of seeing our children dying? they're still somone's child even at 18/19/20

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:45 am

Prey521 wrote:When you have [edited out by Philip - offensive language] back home trying to tie the hand of the military and reveal secrets to the public, you have to tread a little more lightly.....cuz you know, you don't wanna offend anyone

Then why did they tread lightly from the begining

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:45 am

Izzo wrote:perhaps it's that we're tired of seeing our children dying? they're still somone's child even at 18/19/20

Izzo wrote:So your saying he joined the army expecting not to risk his life or see any combat ....what did he expect when he joined the ARMY?....it's the ARMY!"

Izzo wrote:they chose to go ....no one forced them and I'm not obligated to be grateful for those that served in a war I don't agree with

So I guess you've had a change of heart and are now feeling compassion for our troops fighting in this war you don't agree with?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:48 am

Prey logs all anti bush comments. Hes got like 5 terabytes of them.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:54 am

Prey521 wrote:So I guess you've had a change of heart and are now feeling compassion for our troops fighting in this war you don't agree with?

Not at all ...just asking you to look at it from their perspective instead of labeling someone a 'leftist pvssy' ...see cuz just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're leftist or liberal or whatever....cuz that's all relative y'know..... my position hasn't changed one bit ...It is the Army and those risks are assumed when you volunteer for service .....does it make it any more comforting to the parents??

....(nice try though)

you fail

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:05 am

I'm a leftist ***** now, too? I've arrived! More of the Toby Keith macho bluster.

"and people say the US is bad guys"

The lies, fearmongering and opportunism on behalf of the current administration is what drives people to criticize the war and its architects. But of course, criticism equates to sedition these days.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:06 am

You can't fail when you're not trying to accomplish anything, I was just stating the facts. You said "we're tired" as if you care.....which is why I was assuming that you've had a change of heart. Now had you said "they're tired", then it'd be different and I'd assume that your stance on the issue has gone unchanged........but whatever, I don't care either way.

What you and many other fail to see is that the more secrets that are revealed about US military strategy, the longer this war will draw out because you have to *****foot on the battlefield so the appeasers and cowards in the media and Congress won't hang you out to dry in public, like they've so eloquently done.

You don't have to agree with the strategy, but it is war, and last I checked, it wasn't supposed to be pretty and it damn sure isn't supposed to be fair.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:08 am

Burke wrote:I'm a leftist ***** now, too? I've arrived! More of the Toby Keith macho bluster.

"and people say the US is bad guys"

The lies, fearmongering and opportunism on behalf of the current administration is what drives people to criticize the war and its architects. But of course, criticism equates to sedition these days.

You can be patriotic and believe that the war is unjustified and criticize it all you want, I could care less. It's when one purposely attempts to hinder the military is when ones patriotism comes into question, at least IMO.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:09 am

Prey521 wrote:You don't have to agree with the strategy, but it is war, and last I checked, it wasn't supposed to be pretty and it damn sure isn't supposed to be fair.

Its a war, not our war, let them fight their civil war, see what happens and then if need be, step in, if its all ok, then bring the troops home.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:15 am

Izzo wrote:You mean like shock and awe?

you can hide from bombs but it is harder to hide from boots imo

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:15 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Its a war, not our war, let them fight their civil war, see what happens and then if need be, step in, if its all ok, then bring the troops home.

so we should withdraw and if the people who should not be there get into control, redeploy?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:17 am

Gixxer wrote:so we should withdraw and if the people who should not be there get into control, redeploy?

No, pull out to the border, dont police them, let them fight agaisnt each other, then if theres anythign left that is threatening, kill it.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:17 am

Prey521 wrote:You can't fail when you're not trying to accomplish anything, I was just stating the facts. You said "we're tired" as if you care.....which is why I was assuming that you've had a change of heart. Now had you said "they're tired", then it'd be different and I'd assume that your stance on the issue has gone unchanged........but whatever, I don't care either way.

What you and many other fail to see is that the more secrets that are revealed about US military strategy, the longer this war will draw out because you have to *****foot on the battlefield so the appeasers and cowards in the media and Congress won't hang you out to dry in public, like they've so eloquently done.

You don't have to agree with the strategy, but it is war, and last I checked, it wasn't supposed to be pretty and it damn sure isn't supposed to be fair.

I won't refer to the US as "they" as I am an American ...which is "we" ....Now if I said "i" you'd actually have an argument but as I said before

YOUFAILZORS!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:18 am

Prey521 wrote:You can't fail when you're not trying to accomplish anything, I was just stating the facts. You said "we're tired" as if you care.....which is why I was assuming that you've had a change of heart. Now had you said "they're tired", then it'd be different and I'd assume that your stance on the issue has gone unchanged........but whatever, I don't care either way.

What you and many other fail to see is that the more secrets that are revealed about US military strategy, the longer this war will draw out because you have to *****foot on the battlefield so the appeasers and cowards in the media and Congress won't hang you out to dry in public, like they've so eloquently done.

You don't have to agree with the strategy, but it is war, and last I checked, it wasn't supposed to be pretty and it damn sure isn't supposed to be fair.

Should we have a "secret" police too?

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:22 am

Izzo wrote:Should we have a "secret" police too?

we should have WHATEVER IT TAKES to win this war and come the hell home

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:24 am

Gixxer wrote:we should have WHATEVER IT TAKES to win this war and come the hell home

So just fire up the Gestapo eh?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:24 am

Gixxer wrote:we should have WHATEVER IT TAKES to win this war and come the hell home

YA even if it means giving up our freedom and what it means to be american!

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:24 am

Izzo wrote:So just fire up the Gestapo eh?

or keep letting them blow up little kids and innocents... take your pick

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:25 am

if we pull out now or do anything like the congress hurting our military from doing what we need to do, it is going to send a strong signal to the islamic terrorists that they have won and will attempt massive strikes it all a matter of time. They are just waiting for the right moment.

The media does not help at all nor do the whining left democrats.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:26 am

Gixxer wrote:or keep letting them blow up little kids and innocents... take your pick

yes...terribly tragic but why are we there again?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:26 am

Prey521 wrote:When you have [edited out by Philip - offensive language] back home trying to tie the hand of the military and reveal secrets to the public,

Would that equate to also "outing" covert" CIA spys who are experts in nuclear arms proliferation among terrorists supporting nations? All for political gain?

I'm not aware of any other "secrets" being given away in the last 4 years other than this one. A freebie for Iran, and other countries looking for such information as well as CIA contacts.

A lot of the "leftest pvssies" are over in Iraq, fighting. Good call, Mr. uninformed.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:27 am

Ghosthunter wrote:if we pull out now or do anything like the congress hurting our military from doing what we need to do, it is going to send a strong signal to the islamic terrorists that they have won and will attempt massive strikes it all a matter of time. They are just waiting for the right moment.

The media does not help at all nor do the whining left democrats.

you forgot to use the word "embolden"

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:28 am

Ghosthunter wrote:if we pull out now or do anything like the congress hurting our military from doing what we need to do, it is going to send a strong signal to the islamic terrorists that they have won and will attempt massive strikes it all a matter of time. They are just waiting for the right moment.

The media does not help at all nor do the whining left democrats.

Iraqis are not all unified together, theres different groups that want power that we get in teh way of and "police"

We should let them go at it.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:29 am

To go back to the original article, good news is they are removing their own future terrorists! I wonder what they call this campaign, "Minors for Martyrs", "Underage Martyrs for Allah"? Do they get 72 virgins too?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:30 am

downhill wrote:Would that equate to also "outing" covert" CIA spys who are experts in nuclear arms proliferation among terrorists supporting nations? All for political gain?

I'm not aware of any other "secrets" being given away in the last 4 years other than this one. A freebie for Iran, and other countries looking for such information as well as CIA contacts.

A lot of the "leftest pvssies" are over in Iraq, fighting. Good call, Mr. uninformed.

Where's the RoofleCopter when you need it?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:32 am

Prey521 wrote:Where's the RoofleCopter when you need it?

Its doing B7 runs for cabledude.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:33 am

Prey521 wrote:To go back to the original article, good news is they are removing their own future terrorists! I wonder what they call this campaign, "Minors for Martyrs", "Underage Martyrs for Allah"? Do they get 72 virgins too?

They get 36 minus taxes and a transportation fee, comes down to 12.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:34 am

Izzo wrote:yes...terribly tragic but why are we there again?

thats kind of a moot point isn't it?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:35 am

Gixxer wrote:thats kind of a moot point isn't it?

Never ....and it never should be .....

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:36 am

Prey521 wrote:Where's the RoofleCopter when you need it?

I can only offer these as replacements