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What a great concept - justify terrorism

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http://www.time.com/time/europe/eu/arti ... 95,00.html
Is it possible for a major Hollywood studio to make a $50 million movie in which the hero is a terrorist? A terrorist who appears wearing the dynamite waistcoat of a suicide bomber, and who utters the line — from beneath a full-face wooden mask that he never takes off — "Blowing up a building can change the world"? A movie written and produced by the Wachowski brothers, the cyberauteurs who created The Matrix? Starring Natalie Portman, shaved as bald as Demi Moore in G.I. Jane?

These are not rhetorical questions. V for Vendetta, set for mid-March release in most markets, is that movie, and it is the most bizarre Hollywood production you will see (or refuse to see) this year. It's the kind of film that makes you ask questions like, Who thought this was a good idea?


Figureds Natalie Portman is in this one...think shaved head will be perfect for her..LOL

When are they going to make a movie about how great Al-queda is? Only a matter of time.
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You never saw the comic books?

Everything is terrorism this and that, I wish everyon in the news that used teh word so freely would just choke and die.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:You never saw the comic books?

Everything is terrorism this and that, I wish everyon in the news that used teh word so freely would just choke and die.
nope never..sounds like an anti-american movie to me
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How is it anti-american if it's set in london?

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
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Zilog B wrote:How is it anti-american if it's set in london?

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
that what some are saying about al-queda and other muslim terrorists
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Ghosthunter wrote:that what some are saying about al-queda and other muslim terrorists

yeah other muslims ....not even the idiots in hollywood are calling them freedom fighters.
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Well, seeing as the "terrorist" character is fighting against an oppressive, realized police state in the movie, I don't see the comparison to Islamic terrorists as valid.

That, or the transgendered Wachowski brother was on the rag when he wrote it.
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Zilog B wrote:How is it anti-american if it's set in london?
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Ghosthunter wrote:that what some are saying about al-queda and other muslim terrorists

Well do you think the people we view as "terrorists" see themselves as terrorists?
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Burke wrote:Well, seeing as the "terrorist" character is fighting against an oppressive, realized police state in the movie, I don't see the comparison to Islamic terrorists as valid.

That, or the transgendered Wachowski brother was on the rag when he wrote it.

never said movie was about muslim terrorists...said what are they going to make next? my guess is they will glorify al-queda..actually if i recall there is a movie about suicide bombers glorifying them.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:Well do you think the people we view as "terrorists" see themselves as terrorists?

have no idea dont care...they are scum lowest of low
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Burke wrote:Well, seeing as the "terrorist" character is fighting against an oppressive, realized police state in the movie, I don't see the comparison to Islamic terrorists as valid.
Gotta agree here :nod:
Burke wrote:That, or the transgendered Wachowski brother was on the rag when he wrote it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Edit: And in the movie, isn't the main character only planning on blowing up one of the government buildings of this Police state? (I'm guessing here - I've only read a little about the movie on imdb) Whereas, al qaeda will blow up anything, especially "soft targets" where they are going to get alot of civilian kills ...
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Ghosthunter wrote:nope never..sounds like an anti-american movie to me
GH, you may want to read this:

http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/fawkes.asp

The comic that the movie is based on borrows heavily from Guy Fawkes' actions, and was penned well over a decade before 9/11.
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Ghosthunter wrote:never said movie was about muslim terrorists...said what are they going to make next? my guess is they will glorify al-queda..actually if i recall there is a movie about suicide bombers
You mentioned Al-Qaida, and based on your previous posts regarding the subject, I thought it was pretty obvious that the main target of your ire were Islamic terrorists.

This is a case of context; the character in the movie is striking against an oppressive government, while the type of terrorists we (mostly) are dealing with are engaging in it because of primarily "religious" reasons or territorial disputes.

We are far more touchy about bombings and "terrorism" because of 9/11, and while the methods the character uses engender disgust in light of our times, remember the founders of this country also had to strike against a government they found to be oppressive as well. I'm not calling the founders terrorists, but as has been stated, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.
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Ghosthunter wrote:have no idea dont care...they are scum lowest of low

Well I hope everyone is so openminded and thoguht it all out like that. At least it will be a quick end to the world. :thumb:

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Thats pretty ignorant and childish, oh well.
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well it sounds like this movie gonna be a flop either way shame what happened to his creation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/movie ... 0&emc=eta1
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im actually looking forward to it.
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Ghosthunter wrote:have no idea dont care...they are scum lowest of low
...and we are helping them recruit in record numbers - what does that make us?

I'm not pro-terrorism at all, just pointing out that we have nudged many moderates over to the dark side. We make 'em, we have to deal with 'em

Independance minded early americans were considered terrorists too - we wouldn't follow the 'rules of war' then either.
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Blisster wrote:im actually looking forward to it.

Same here!
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Blisster wrote:im actually looking forward to it.
If you're talkin about the comets that will end the earths existence in the universe, I agree :D
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Prey521 wrote:If you're talkin about the comets that will end the earths existence in the universe, I agree :D

No we're talkign about the cool movie V for Vendetta, the movie you could have seen if you didnt spend all your cash on poetry readings and brokeback mountain.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:No we're talkign about the cool movie V for Vendetta, the movie you could have seen if you didnt spend all your cash on poetry readings and brokeback mountain.
Actually, about 2 grand this week on buying some mods for my SUV :D
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Prey521 wrote:Actually, about 2 grand this week on buying some mods for my SUV :D
Oh, THAT'S not trying to prove anything, issss it?
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Prey521 wrote:Actually, about 2 grand this week on buying some mods for my SUV :D

SUV

V for Vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!
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UOD wrote:SUV

V for Vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was horrible.
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Blisster wrote:im actually looking forward to it.
me too ...
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Burke wrote:Oh, THAT'S not trying to prove anything, issss it?
That I didn't have the money for this weeks poetry readings or to watch BB Mountain for the 5th week in a row! :D
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Burke wrote:That was horrible.
thank God he didn't say V For Vasectomy!
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Prey521 wrote:That I didn't have the money for this weeks poetry readings or to watch BB Mountain for the 5th week in a row! :D
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Burke wrote:Three standard replies men make to butch up:

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3. I DRANK SO MUCH (proceeds to rattle off the list of drinks he had).
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3. I've never been drunk

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Prey521 wrote:
3. I've never been drunk

:D

:confused: R U Serios??

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Zilog B wrote: :confused: R U Serios??

I'd pay to see you drunk maricone!
LOL yeah, never been drunk.
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Looks like a cool film to me. Can't wait to see it.

GH, I think you need to take a chill-pill or something (boy, I never thought I'd say that). But seriously, you seem to want to create a fuss out of nothing. Do you genuinly think the film is a bad idea, or are you just piling out that tripe because you read it and someone else made the comparison and finds it disgusting? Seriously, you think a film about guy who's fighting against an "oppressive dictatorship" is a justification of terrorism in our society? Why the shnide remark about "next they'll glorify al queda blah blah"?

Grow up.
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stevebakh wrote:Looks like a cool film to me. Can't wait to see it.

GH, I think you need to take a chill-pill or something (boy, I never thought I'd say that). But seriously, you seem to want to create a fuss out of nothing. Do you genuinly think the film is a bad idea, or are you just piling out that tripe because you read it and someone else made the comparison and finds it disgusting? Seriously, you think a film about guy who's fighting against an "oppressive dictatorship" is a justification of terrorism in our society? Why the shnide remark about "next they'll glorify al queda blah blah"?

Grow up.

i was going by what the article said..never even heard of the dumb movie...till then..

if times is wrong..then oh well..but it sounds like he blows innocent people up on purpose just for the fun of it...not just killing the evil so called govt
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Kinda like when the rebels blew up the death star?
weren't they terrorists?
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Blisster wrote:Kinda like when the rebels blew up the death star?
weren't they terrorists?
http://www.flin.demon.co.uk/swars.htm

Ghosthunter wrote:but it sounds like he blows innocent people up on purpose just for the fun of it
Exactly what article or trailer gave you that impression? :confused:
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Blisster wrote:Kinda like when the rebels blew up the death star?
weren't they terrorists?
good point ...
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Jim wrote:http://www.flin.demon.co.uk/swars.htm



Exactly what article or trailer gave you that impression? :confused:
from what some people were saying who got a sneak preview of it already
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haha great link
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Zilog B wrote:haha great link
:nod:
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