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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID ... ubName=nhl

As many of you may know the Gm's recently held a meeting trying ot come up with ways to "improve" the game of Hockey. Instead of tweaking the game in 1 or 2 places it seems they are going to over haul it. So my question to all of you is do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?

I have mixed feelings and right now I think it is more bad then good, but I have to go to work now so I will be back later :D
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Hi *cho*


Basically *cho* they are going back to the way it was.

Smaller Goalie Pads

Move the Nets back 3ft.

Stop the Goalies from wandering

Tag Up rule

Eliminate the Instigator penalty


All should help with little change of size of Arenas etc. The costs are Zero. The advantages i think will open the Game up and possibly make playing the Trap more difficult due to the 6ft. gained in Centre Ice.


I'm all for it :)


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They didn't mention Eliminate the Instigator penalty though...or I missed it.

I don't like the fact they want to ban goalies from touching the puck behind the net. Personally I think the goalie should be able to play the puck as much as he wants, but the min he is outta his crease he is fair game.

I like the smaller pads idea as well. I wonder what Roy's reaction would have been if he was still playing the game...

Tag up rule i don't really understand...could you explain it for me?
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Smaller goalie pad is good.

Don't like the idea of banning goalies handling the puck. It's actually move exciting to see goalies come out b/c you'll never know what would happen. Sometimes it leads to a break away, or sometimes it leads to a goal by the opponent. Sometimes goalies get hit too. :D

I don't quite understand the Tag Up rule myself.
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Tag up rule is simply this;

When the play is offsides - not when a player carries the puck in offsides but when the puck is in the zone either under control by the defensive team or loose - this results in a delayed offsides the same as it is now. the difference being the offensive players will have chance to scramble out of the zone and "tag up" at the blue line. once all the offensive players are out, the play is back onsides no matter where the puck is.

so far I like everything i've heard. except along with everyone else on the planet it seems, for the lack of discussion about the instigator rule being removed. me thinks bettman thinks it's a kin to promoting the sport through fighting.
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Found a good explaination with an example:

Basically, if the puck enters the offensive zone while an attacking player (or players) is trapped offside, then all members of the attacking team must clear the zone and wait until all 5 skaters are out. Then they can get back on the forecheck.

Example:

If a defenseman dumps the puck into the attacking zone while two of his forwards are offside, the two forwards would have to tag up outside the blueline while the rest of the team waits to enter the zone. Once all 5 are out, then they can go back in.
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Hi Fellas


I was gone for a bit tonight and am just now back. Yes everything they are talking about will speed up the game by less whistles and therefore fewer faceoffs occurring.

The Goalie being able to handle the puck less is also a good thing. The Brodeur's and Belfour's may not care for it as this is their forte. However think about it for a second.

If the Goalie can no longer come out to play the puck behind the net that means the Defence now must. As you've seen, with a good stick handling Goalie like those mentioned the defence do not even bother to go to the puck. They either peel off to the boards, or interfere with the opposing players, or both. The Goalie gains possession and clears the puck like a Defenceman normally would.

A good stick handling Goalie basically is now a 3rd. defenceman. In effect the opposing Team is now outnumbered in the scoring zone. Like a reverse powerplay of sorts.

By eliminating the goalie from the equation the Defence are now forced to go for the puck and thereby the opposing Team now has a much better chance to forecheck as well as position themselves without interference by the opposing Defenceman.

This should bring about more pressure in the scoring zone and lead to more chances at Goals.

There is also talk of the Shoot In from over the blue line. This means that when the puck is shot in from the Centre side of the Blue line the Goalie can now no longer stop the play by simply catching the puck and holding onto it. They will now Penalize the goalie for doing so. He must keep the puck in play.

This does Two things. No longer will a Team be able to stop play so they can gain a Line Change and there will be less Whistles and therefore Faceoffs, making for a faster Game.

The Instigator Rule is still in discussion to my knowledge. Everyone, but Betteman is for it. It is needed to reduce the High Sticking and the cheap shots at the more skilled players. It has always served the Game well. Let the Teams enforce the play.

As to widening the Blue lines etc. i do hope that doesn't fly. Aesthetically it simply sucks.

Moving the nets back will open up Centre Ice and make it more difficult to set up ( Gretzky's Office) back their. More pressure can be applied more effectively.

Roy's acceptance of the smaller Pads. Hell he was the one that started it all. He is right. It doesn't effect the protection of the Goalie in anyway.

The Trapper should also be reduced in size imho. The damn things are enormous. No one Catches anything anymore, they simply stick it up and the puck goes into it. They have little control of it now so they most often just hang onto the puck causing further delay. Reduce it to the original size and make them move the puck more often.

The Chest protectors etc. should also be looked at. Anymore Goalies look like the Michelin Man. Totally unnecessary for their safety. Simply to take up more of the Net.

There is much to discuss and having Scotty Bowman involved is the Best Thing they could have done. He is a student of the Game and no more brilliant observer is out their than he.

Tag Up Rule, basically on a Delayed Offside the attacking Players now have a chance to skate outside the Blue Line thus putting themselves back onside ( Tagging Up ) without a Whistle stopping the play. It is mostly to speed things up, however it can aid many times in the forecheck, especially if a defending player has broken his stick, or something of that nature.

These Rules alone should make a great difference as to the length of the Games time wise and make for more exciting chances to score as well.

If they instituted these Rules for next Season i think that would be enough for now. See what comes of it before Tinkering more imho.

It has Zero Cost and the Game doesn't have to be re-learned by Player, or Fan. It's simply back to where it once was, that is enough, always has been.

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Post by 9mmprincess »

i really hope they get rid of the instigator rule. abou tnot letting the goalie handle the puck behind the net--i dunno. i was against it but minir you make a good case for it. but what about those times when the goalie loses control of the puck and suddenly theres an open net and the opponent has the puck-thats exciting!
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Hi 9mm

Yes it has it's moments but the downside is as i tried to explain a problem for the offencive Teams. imho if they made the Goalie Fair Game when he leaves his crease like it once was then Ok. However as it now stands it gives too much advantage to the defending Team imho.

Here is the latest i found in the sports section of the Sun today. it pretty much mirrors what i was trying to say. It may make the points better :)
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In this mornings Sports News at the Sun
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Wed, February 11, 2004


NHL GMs' goal is massive change

Bold, sweeping proposal would be great for game

By AL STRACHAN




HENDERSON, Nev. -- In a bold move designed to answer fans' complaints about evaporating offence, the National Hockey League's general managers yesterday created a blueprint for radical change. Like any first blueprint, there are likely to be modifications and refinements.

But the bottom line is that over two days, the GMs examined every aspect of the game, then produced a number of recommendations, most of which will be adopted in a form not far removed from their original state.

"The consensus of the group was that we wanted to achieve more offence," Edmonton Oilers GM Kevin Lowe said. "We want people overall to be happy. There's a new movement at the managers' level. Everyone feels we're willing to listen. We're willing to consider all the options that might benefit the game."

The proposed changes are so numerous, in fact, that league officials will spend six weeks or so trying to make sure that they all work in conjunction with each other.

For instance, the nets have been moved back to their 1990 location, three feet closer to the boards.

At the same time, the tag-up rule, which will create more intense forechecking, is to be reinstated.

Add to that the fact the GMs say they don't want goalies handling any pucks behind the goal line.

So the league officials have to consider the ramifications of all these changes when it comes to traffic behind the net. Will one proposal counteract the positive effect of the other?

SUPERB

Keeping in mind the proviso that these rule changes are not set in concrete, they still represent a superb turn of events for hockey and its fans.

The game's intensity has never been lacking, but now it should translate into offence rather than lusty checking.

Whether that offence then creates goals on any given night is up to the goaltenders and the shooters. But at least there should be an increase in the number of scoring opportunities, and that's what fans want to see. At the same time, the game is being given back to the skilled players.

That leads to the matter of what the fans don't want to see -- tie games.

An increasing number of fans, especially those in the United States, hate to watch a game that does not eventually declare a winner.

Baseball and basketball have no ties. Football has them only rarely. But the NHL has them often.

The three-point rule that is to be showcased in the American Hockey League will mean that there will be no more tie games. That should promote offence on a number of levels because it will create a different mind-set.

MIND-SET

As Buffalo Sabres GM Darcy Regier explained it, coaches now go into the game knowing they have one point and they don't want to lose it.

He means that the game starts with the two teams tied and as long as a coach can keep it that way, he's in good shape. Instead of playing to win, coaches play not to lose.

But if the three-point concept comes to fruition, three points will be available every night -- and one team may get all three of them. So if you want to keep your team competitive, you'd better win your share of those three-pointers. And you can't do it by playing defensively.

Two other rules interpretations are expected to go into effect in the next few days.

If a puck should go in while the net is wiggling on its moorings, the goal will stand.

And if a player is streaking toward a loose puck and headed for a breakaway, a penalty shot may be awarded if the player is dragged down before he is in possession of the puck.

So often in the past, the NHL has relied on Band-Aid solutions -- a quick fix here, a tweaking there.

But this time, the GMs have listened to the fans and produced a wide-ranging package that should do wonders for the game.

There will be carping and there will be critics. That's always the case.

So let's hope the GMs realize what a superb job they have done and stick to their guns. They've given the game what it needs.


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Winds of change to hit the NHL

By AL STRACHAN, TORONTO SUN

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HENDERSON, Nev. -- Here is a point-by-point look at possible changes NHL general managers considered during the first two days of their annual meeting. The proposed changes will be analyzed and refined by league officials who will then present a unified package to the GMs when they meet again in about four weeks.

It must be stressed that yesterday's proposals are the first version and some variations may result. But those variations are expected to be refinements, not serious alterations.

Here's how the GMs looked at the issues:

- Tag-up rule: It will be back next season. That means a whistle is not automatic if a player precedes the puck over the blue line. As long as his own team doesn't have possession, a player can leave the zone, "tag up" and return to the forecheck.

- Goalie equipment: Leg pads will be reduced to 10 inches in width. The league is working with manufacturers to develop a suitable stretch fabric that would lead to tighter sweaters. Also, all equipment must be approved by a league clearing house. Goalies will not be allowed to use equipment that does not bear the league's stamp of approval.

- No-touch icing: It had a lot of support, but not enough to gain a majority. It's on the front burner to be reviewed again but not part of the package of proposals.

- Goaltender movement: Goalies will not be allowed to handle the puck if it's behind the goal line. The specifics remain to be finalized, but the committee which studied the issue agreed that the basis for the referee's decision is the location of the puck, not the goalie's feet.

Should a goalie want to skate into the corner to handle a hard shoot-in once it comes out past the goal line, that's up to him.

- Penalty shots: The rule says a player must be hauled down when in possession of the puck. Starting within a few days, the rule will be extended to include a player who is clearly going to get to a puck for a breakaway.

- Hand passes: There was much discussion of whether there should be more -- or fewer -- restrictions on hand passes. GMs decided to leave the rule untouched.

- Eliminating the red line: The GMs were unanimous in their opinion that removing the red line on two-line passes would not improve offence. Many felt it would hinder offence because coaches would simply set up the trap further back.

- Bigger nets: The GMs decided to keep that one on the back burner. It's not imminent.

- Two-minute majors: The idea was that for stick infractions, a player would have to serve the full two minutes whether the opponents scored on the power play or not. It had little support.

- Location of the goal-line: The nets will be moved back three feet to create more room in the neutral zone. Each zone will now be 60 feet long and the area behind the net will be 10 feet deep.

- Three-point wins: The concept is to be tested in the American Hockey League for a year. The idea is that three points are available in every game. A win in regulation time earns all three points. Should the game go to overtime, the winner gets two points and the loser one. Should the game be tied after overtime, there will be a shootout to determine the winner of the extra point.

Hockey will no longer have ties.

- Shootouts: They are part of the three-point package but a decision has not been reached on their structure. Most likely, they'll follow the Olympic format.

- Instigator rule: The NHL Players' Association representatives were asked to go back to their constituents to get clarification of certain issues. In the meantime, there is no action.

- Nets off moorings: This one goes into effect as soon as the memo can be distributed. Should the net be off the ice but still on its moorings, the goal will be allowed. Previously, goals were disallowed if a tiny portion of the frame was off the ice. Some teams were using net wobbling as a defensive strategy.

- Stretching two-line passes: Scott Bowman had suggested that a line be laid down across the top of the circles. A forward pass made from a point ahead of that line would be viewed as a pass from over the blue line. It was defeated because the GMs want to see the impact of the other changes first.

- Line width: The AHL will use 24-inch red and blue lines for a year. At the NHL's request, the AHL experimented with 36-inch lines for eight games this season, but the GMs felt that the test period was too short and that such wide lines caused confusion. If this concept appears to create offence, it will be adopted in the NHL


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I still think the Goalie should be able to handle the puck as a 3rd d-man, but if he does he should be able to be treated just like a 3rd d-man.

I can understand why they don't want goalies playing the puck back there cause that will elminate the trap, but it will also hurt other teams that have good goalies to play the puck that don't play trap.

I think it will also hurt the offense in some ways. Plenty of times I have seen the puck whipped into the Canucks zone for the time change and have Cloutz,Auld or Hedberg whip it back out because there was no d-man to get it. Next thing you know the Canucks catch the other team on a bad change. However if the rule go through as they are now Cloutz,Auld or Hedberg would actually get a 2 min penalty.

Or on a powerplay when the other time ices the puck I think the goalie should be able to either stop the puck or whip it back down the ice even if it has passed the red line. Makes for a more exciting powerplay.
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I still think the Goalie should be able to handle the puck as a 3rd d-man, but if he does he should be able to be treated just like a 3rd d-man.

I can understand why they don't want goalies playing the puck back there cause that will elminate the trap, but it will also hurt other teams that have good goalies to play the puck that don't play trap.

I think it will also hurt the offense in some ways. Plenty of times I have seen the puck whipped into the Canucks zone for the time change and have Cloutz,Auld or Hedberg whip it back out because there was no d-man to get it. Next thing you know the Canucks catch the other team on a bad change. However if the rule go through as they are now Cloutz,Auld or Hedberg would actually get a 2 min penalty.

Or on a powerplay when the other time ices the puck I think the goalie should be able to either stop the puck or whip it back down the ice even if it has passed the red line. Makes for a more exciting powerplay.

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Hi *cho*


As long as the Goalies can handle the puck it hurts the opposing Team *cho* and makes it more difficult to forecheck. This leads to less chances in the Scoring Zone.

As to the goalies being Eligible to Hit, i agree. Once he comes out of his crease he becomes Fair Game, just like it once was. The problem as The League see's it though is it can be Very Expensive when the goalies get injured. They are usually amongst the higher paid Lads.


When it was allowed it also lead to many Fights. No one let their goalie get Run. This probably was on their minds at decision time. Betteman who i swear wears Silk Panties would cringe at the thought of that...Fighting Oh! My!

The goalies will still be unhindered to go to the puck and shoot it out, if they wait for it to come back over the line, so no problem their at the moment. He simply cannot go back over the line to get it is all.

There is however talk of the goalies no longer being allowed to make a forward pass. That would finish that if it become the law.

I honestly do think the proposed changes will be of benefit to the game. It really is simply a step back to another time and it stood up well till they stated tinkering with it in the first place.

The 3 point Win would also take away from the Trap and open the game up.

There is talk also of using Stretch fabric in the Goalies Sweaters. This would also help cut down on the little Web's they try to build into them and keep the dangly bits from happening.

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Eliminate the instigator and make goalie equipment smaller and I'll be happy.

The instigator rule is what is causing all these high sticks imo. If ya can't pound 'em, out of frustration you stick 'em. That's what's going on.

The way it should be: hit our star player, better look over your shoulder the rest of the game cause it's coming.
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Hi sitosterol



i would beg to disagree on the High Sticking sitosterol. Sorry!


The High Sticking generally is not by Tough Guys but by Wimps who hide behind the Instigator Rule. These Masked Bandits feel they can high stick with impunity, No Punishment from the Enforcers. They have mostly been right unfortunately.

Take Away the Instigator and watch these Weasels crawl back into a hidy hole.

About 3 good Clock Cleanings would send a very strong message to those that have disregard for others and use their sticks as they are too gutless to Fight.

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Originally posted by minir
Hi sitosterol



i would beg to disagree on the High Sticking sitosterol. Sorry!


The High Sticking generally is not by Tough Guys but by Wimps who hide behind the Instigator Rule. These Masked Bandits feel they can high stick with impunity, No Punishment from the Enforcers. They have mostly been right unfortunately.

Take Away the Instigator and watch these Weasels crawl back into a hidy hole.

About 3 good Clock Cleanings would send a very strong message to those that have disregard for others and use their sticks as they are too gutless to Fight.

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I am a man that fails to articulate well. Minir, that's what I wanted to say. they'd hide in a hole cause they know the big man is comin'!

Can't pound 'em, so many stick 'em currently. I wanna see the other game in hockey come back. THAT'S WHAT ADDED TO IT'S GREATNESS OVER THE YEARS. BEING TOUGH.

The current NHL is like soccer. Flopping bitches.

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Hi sitosterol
I am a man that fails to articulate well



Me too sitosterol, doesn't seem to Stop My Mouth from Flapping Anyway though :rotfl:


Sorry i misunderstood your prior post my Friend. :)

Yes bring back the Game as it was meant to be played and fill up some of those empty seats around the league.


Thanks for your reply sitosterol :)


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So it's game 7 (just say) in the third round of the playoffs. Some guy just "cheap shots" Sundin. No penalty called. He's out the rest of the game. The player That did this should IMMEDIATELY be made aware of what he's done. That has been elimnated from hockey, so it's illegal to pound him. So he gets a stick in the guts or the face instead.
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How many repeat offenders did Gretsky have against him in his hay day?

Not too many, cause they were dealt with as needed. No instigator...
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I say move the nets back, ditch the center line, automatic icing and make the goalie fair game if he comes out of the net like it used to be ;) And maybe make the goalie equipment a tad bit smaller... Those happening would make a great game.
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Hi sitosterol & AAF Striker



sitosterol
There really is no reason to use your stick for Retaliation in hockey. It is a Very Dangerous piece of equipment and can do Life threatening damage.

With no Instigator Rule someone would no doubt Challenge the guy in the scenario you describe, but Stick Work is and shouldn't be an option at anytime imho.

Hockey is a Game with an Unwritten Code of Honour which most Players adhere to. There are some things you simply do not do.

One is to endanger someones life. you should be as careful as you possibly can with your Skates, Stick and so forth.

Never Run a Guy if he is in such a position to be seriously hurt. Ease up a little. I'm not talking about Ringing a Guys Bell, but rather Breaking His Neck, or something.

Never trip a Guy going at speed to the boards, though you see way too much of this on Icings.

Most Players realize it's a Game that demands respect. Show it & receive it in return.

If someone does something that demands retaliation the good Players know it's a Game where they will meet again. This week, month, year or next and will Wait till the opportunity presents itself and Wham!

The Great Gordie Howe was as dirty as there was. Everyone knew if you gave it to Gordie you never eased up for the rest of your career, cause he'd simply Wait and Boom! no teeth.

Today Players are too anxious at times and it costs their teams by foolish retaliation. Some Players it seems think they shouldn't be hit and when they are, they go ballistic instead of waiting. The Game has changed, but some things should not imho.

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I don't like the elimination of the Centre Line myself, but others do. I see no reason to take it out. They have played this way for years and it has worked.

Moving the Goals back works for me. Goaltenders being Fair Game if they leave their Crease also floats my boat. They i'm sure recognize the Fight potential here though, so are trying to nullify that by limiting his options instead.

Downsizing Goalie Equipment is also good, i agree.

I think the whole set of ideas they have come up with should help and it really is reverting back to the Game as it was prior to Gretzky and Betteman.


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If they move the nets FORWARD, that would create more room for skaters to make plays behind the net (Gretzky's office)...ALSO, it would make it harder for the goalie to make it back to the front of the net IF he decided to play the puck. I think they should let the goalies play the puck. They should call EVERY interference (clutching and grabbing, etc.) I like touch up icing. Bigger blue line might help. Taking the redline out would really create great passes out of the zone making the Dmen more valuable. How bout bringing back a shootout after OT? Eliminate ties completely.


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There really is no reason to use your stick for Retaliation in hockey. It is a Very Dangerous piece of equipment and can do Life threatening damage.

With no Instigator Rule someone would no doubt Challenge the guy in the scenario you describe, but Stick Work is and shouldn't be an option at anytime imho.

Tell that to the players minir. Give them fighting without instigator and a lot of the stick work ends imo.

But if that happens, a lot, if not the majority of teams will require additional toughness.
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Originally posted by jwiddy
If they move the nets FORWARD, that would create more room for skaters to make plays behind the net (Gretzky's office)...ALSO, it would make it harder for the goalie to make it back to the front of the net IF he decided to play the puck. I think they should let the goalies play the puck. They should call EVERY interference (clutching and grabbing, etc.) I like touch up icing. Bigger blue line might help. Taking the redline out would really create great passes out of the zone making the Dmen more valuable. How bout bringing back a shootout after OT? Eliminate ties completely.


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They had already moved the Nets out 3ft from where they used to be to accommodate Gretzky. it was a bad idea then and is still imho.

By moving the Nets out they shrunk centre Ice by 6ft. This helps jam things up and makes a forward pass from the end zone less likely to be successful. It also makes playing the Trap easier.

Also it made Forechecking more difficult for the opposing Team. Factor in a play making goalie and it is most difficult for the opposing team to forecheck at all, thus cutting down on scoring chances.

By going back the 3ft. this should open up Centre Ice and make trapping more difficult. also forechecking will be enhanced, particularly if the Goalies are not allowed to go behind the Net. This should create scoring opportunities.

No need to eliminate the centrer line imho.

There is talk of giving the winner of the game 3 points in regulation time

If a tie at the end of regulation, 5 minutes of overtime. Winner gets 2 points, loser 1

If no Winner in Overtime...Then a Shootout, thus ending tie games.

That could also work to help stop the Trap as Coaches will have to play to win as opposed to playing not to lose. A completely different mindset for many.

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That is the point of trying to get the Instigator Rule thrown out. No one wants it in but Betteman who wants fighting out. They have tried, but the Fans and Players want fighting left in as it serves a definite purpose.

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I believe Trevor Kidd said it best:
If they want more goals scored they should take away our helmuts
But Dan Cloutier put the best perspective one it when he said that "reducing the pads to 10' shouldn't be a problem for most goalies. If the goalie is on his game he will still make the save. Look at Martin Broduer he wears the smallest pads in the NHL and look at how many shutouts, GAA, Save %,etc he has this year."


I still think goalies should be allowed to play the puck, but have them fair game...that would work so well if the instigator rule was overturned.

on a side note did anyone see the Oilers scrape the other night...it was awesome. :D
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Hi *cho*


I liked Glen Healeys take on the same thing on TSN tonight.

" If they want more Scoring, Dim the Lights so the Goalies can't see " :D

I missed the Oilers, sorry


I would be in favour of the Goalies playing the puck as well if they where Fair Game once outside of their crease. However it's the Fighting thing again that is stopping that i think.

One only need to watch tonights Game with Belfour to understand how effective a good puck handling goalie is. He and Brodeur are the best in the league imho.

Once you hamstring them with the new rules " Will their value go down? "

It well may, as your paying for something no longer viable???

As to the smaller Pads. The Goalies will squawk about it but they know they are too big and it is not a safety issue. They will improve speed wise without question. Todays Pads as opposed to years ago when they were leather and padding are extremely light in comparison. The old ones used to pick up moisture and weighed a ton by the end of a Game.

Due to the lightness of modern pads the goalies went to larger sizing as they were still light, but downsizing will make them faster imho. the stamina should also improve.

Hopefully it will sort itself out and agreement can be reached.

Take care *cho* & Have a great snooze. :)


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The fight was massive, you could still probably catch highlights of it even though it was wednesday night. All 12 players on the ice got involved. One Oiler ended up in Atlanta's bench and was still slugging it out. Both Goalies got ejected and since Dafoe was already injuried in that game Atlanta had no other goalie to put in net :D . Luckly there wasn't much time left in the 3rd so they just kept the net empty. Apparently bad blood had been brewing between since there last few meetings, if this is a sign of things to come it could be a good coast to coast rivalry for them.


Eddy also made a good comment about goalies not being able to play puck and if they did so they would receive a 2 min penalty. I can't remember exactly what he said but was along the lines of sooner or later a goalie will get 2 mins for the butterfly.
Take care *cho* & Have a great snooze.
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You too, heck over here it is only 11 but for you it is well past 1 maybe even 2...what is 11 + 3 in clock time?? yeah over 2 :D
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