Switching to DSL, good or bad

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:30 am

I recently went to [url]http://www.covad.com,[/url] and found out th@ it was available for my area, and th@ i'm 15000ft from the co... I placed my order on the 10th of this month, and the speeds are as follows 386/128... I need the settings for cablenut too... I should be online with them either on the 17th 18th or 19th of this month... I want every1 th@ sees my post to please post there experiences with ADSL... Thanx very much every1

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 9:35 am

Is this normal of PPPoE DSL?

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:11 pm

I dunno mnosteele... I'll hopefully get my ADSL modem and everything Thursday...
I'll call and find out

rclayton17 · Post by **rclayton17** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 5:05 pm

i have Earthlink aDSL, caps are 1500/128, live in Southern CA

I get about 1150/136, consistently (at least i can be happy about that)

I play games and download big files sometimes

I have only been disconnected once since i got it, and the server was only down for a short time.. 5 min or less maybe

I have been pleased so far, it just would be cool to get 180+KB/sec dloads, my max seems to be about 140KB/sec. Overall very good experience, fast browsing, fast gaming...

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 9:20 pm

It's PPPOE mnosteele... Please lemme know wh@ settings to put up for my new ADSL acct... Rember it's 386/128..... Am waiting paitiently for your responce

SeanThomas01010

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 10:25 pm

OK according to your profile you are using Windows 98, if so first install the vtcp 386 patch and the NDIS Update then try the following settings in Cablenut:

BcastNameQueryCount - 1
BcastQueryTimeout - 100
BSDUrgent - 1
CacheTimeout - 600000
DefaultRecvWindow - 17424 or 23232
DefaultTTL - 64
EnableDNS - 0
GlobalMaxTcpWindoSize - 17424 or 23232
KeepAliveInterval - 500
KeepAliveTime - 14400000
Lanabase - 0
LocalCopyMade - 1
MaxConnections - 64
MaxConnectRetries - 5
MaxDataRetries - 64
NameTableSize - 255
NameSrvQueryTimeout - 100
PMTUBlackHoleDetect - 0
PMTUDiscovery - 1
RoutingBufSize - 146432
RoutingPackets - 100
SackOpts - 1
SessionKeepAlive - 7200
SessionTableSize - 255
Size/Small/Medium/Large - 3
Tcp1323Opts - 0
TcpTimedWaitDelay - 30
MaxDupAcks - 2
DefaultTOS - 92
IGMPLevel - 2
MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server - 10
MaxConnectionsPerServer - 8

Make sure your MTU is 1492 by checking it with the TCP/IP Analyzer.

rclayton17 · Post by **rclayton17** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 11:12 pm

how can i found out if im using the updated NDIS driver thingy?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 11:15 pm

Originally posted by rclayton17
how can i found out if im using the updated NDIS driver thingy?

Just click on the link above to download and install it that way you know you have it.... it's only for Windows 98.

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 3:49 am

Mnosteele, I changed my mind and am going with Verizon DSL, it is PPPOE... Wh@ settings should I use in Cablenut?

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:23 am

why you choose the second one ISP

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 3:04 pm

Originally posted by SeanThomas01010
Mnosteele, I changed my mind and am going with Verizon DSL, it is PPPOE... Wh@ settings should I use in Cablenut?

What are your caps with Verizon?

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:48 pm

728/128 Are my speeds Mnosteele

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:07 pm

OK try the following settings in Cablenut:

BcastNameQueryCount - 1
BcastQueryTimeout - 100
BSDUrgent - 1
CacheTimeout - 600000
DefaultRecvWindow - 23232 or 31944 or 46464
DefaultTTL - 64
EnableDNS - 0
GlobalMaxTcpWindoSize - 23232 or 31944 or 46464
KeepAliveInterval - 500
KeepAliveTime - 14400000
Lanabase - 0
LocalCopyMade - 1
MaxConnections - 64
MaxConnectRetries - 5
MaxDataRetries - 64
NameTableSize - 255
NameSrvQueryTimeout - 100
PMTUBlackHoleDetect - 0
PMTUDiscovery - 1
RoutingBufSize - 146432
RoutingPackets - 100
SackOpts - 1
SessionKeepAlive - 7200
SessionTableSize - 255
Size/Small/Medium/Large - 3
Tcp1323Opts - 0
TcpTimedWaitDelay - 30
MaxDupAcks - 2
DefaultTOS - 92
IGMPLevel - 2
MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server - 10
MaxConnectionsPerServer - 8

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:00 pm

Mnosteel, I cannot get my MTU to 1500 for my DSL, I tried the 1456, BUT it said for best results use 1500... And also, wh@ are the 3 things I can do in regedit to make my webpages load faster?? I'm awaiting your responce

SeanThomas

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:26 pm

Hey Sean, for your MTU.... it should be 1492 not 1500, try the fixes I suggest in my Help & Tips link to fix it and also I have the tweak for faster page loads there.

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 2:57 am

Ok, here's my Analizer Test

TCP options string = 020405ac01010402

MTU = 1492
MTU is optimized for PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.

MSS = 1452
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1452, which equals MSS.
MSS is optimized for PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 63888
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 63888
RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)

bandwidth * delay product:
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 2555.52 kbps (319.44 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1022.208 kbps (127.776 KBytes/s) @ 500ms

MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON

Time to live left = 116 hops
TTL value is ok.

Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF

Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON

IP type of service field (RFC1349)= 01011100
Precedence (priority) = 010 (immediate)
Delay = 1 (low delay)
Throughput = 1 (high throughput)
Reliability = 1 (high reliability)
Cost = 0 (normal cost)

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 7:46 am

from your post & profile we know as folow:
728/128 PPPoE; 98SE, 450mhz, 64meg ram

mnosteele52 recomeded you optimal CN setings for cheking :2cool:
BUT
your above SG TCP/IP result HAVE NOT connections with
with mentionet recomentation
TOTALY diferent in several points - why?

in my opinion:
1. your answer to GURU recomendation is 'weak'
2. no results of speed tests
3. what do you propose on actual your post 'guess-work'?

insted of summary:
a} again see link :2cool:
mnosteele52 My Tips https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... post643301
b} ram recomendation upg to 512mb
c} new problem, new settings = new thread

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:20 pm

Andrzej, I did post my results... LOOK ARROUND.... I DONT appreciate wh@ u just told me to do... I would greatly appreciate it if you would no longer respond to my questions UNLESS I ask you... Thanx

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 3:20 pm

I did not follow you

today: 25 Nov 2002 you answer
to my post from 1 Nov 2002 ???
& you still remember the post...

my opinion in above post is
follow recomendations
I had no intentions to hurt you

yours results? which one? - above? 31 Oct 2002?
had not recomended by mnosteele52 settings
eg recomended RWIN: 23232 or 31944 or 46464
& yours RWIN 63888 ???
would you kind explain your last post in simple words

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:41 pm

DSL over Cable, you'll learn

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 10:13 am

I'm sorry Andrzej... I've been VERY upset since Covad slammed me... I'm now on dialup til Wed or Thurs :*(.... BUT @least I get 2mos free DSL WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!... Sorry I was upset with your post... I WASNT mad @ you even tho I said I was... By the way I upped my ram to 128meg, and my speeds with Verizon were as follows... My most resent b4 Covad slammed me was 738/134, on a cap of 768/128.... I thought my d/l was 728... So I need sum help to get me as close as possible... Tyvm, and again i'm VERRY sorry...

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 10:15 am

I'm sorry Andrzej... I've been VERY upset since Covad slammed me... I'm now on dialup til Wed or Thurs :*(.... BUT @least I get 2mos free DSL WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!... Sorry I was upset with your post... I WASNT mad @ you even tho I said I was... By the way I upped my ram to 128meg, and my speeds with Verizon were as follows... My most resent b4 Covad slammed me was 738/134, on a cap of 768/128.... I thought my d/l was 728... So I need sum help to get me as close as possible... Tyvm, and again i'm VERRY sorry...

MousePotato · Post by **MousePotato** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:37 am

Originally posted by Lobo
DSL over Cable, you'll learn

explain ?

local DSL 1500/512 for $39.95
local cable 5000/512 for $39.95

the above prices is a damn fine reason for me not to choose DSL

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:02 pm

You couldn't pay me to have DSL, but that just me

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:27 pm

SeanThomas01010 OK

BTW see on your post above 2 times in the same words hehehe
I follow the first one.
I'm not such important.... & you are so busy
if you want write twice - second version for alient
use simple words & short sentences
PS the weather in Pitt ?

dannjr · Post by **dannjr** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:08 am

DSL is kwel I have two lines both around 6000 feet. Never down.

15000 feet is pushing it.. Anything over 12000 starts to drop in speed.. But I do know of one connection at 15030 that gets all of the connection speed.

DSL can beat Cable hands down if you plan to do things that cable wont allow you to.. OR live in Lobos neighborhood.

Both my DSL lines are always consistant My cable from ATTbi has a leak they refuse to fix So everytime it rains its down.. In the evening speeds drop to a quarter of the advertised speed.
Music and video stream better on DSL and more than likely DSL wont wine if you run a ftp server with apache.

Tweaking DSL is usually a one time deal because its more consistant..
(More stable than a Compaq(anything is))

I run 12 machines on a regular basis on the lines I have and could probably do it just fine on the two DSL connections and get rid of ATTbi

Note: get a good router

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 10:08 am

dannjr yours ...has a leak they refuse to fix So everytime it rains its down...

unbelievable it even worst than my ISPservice
for me is simple - I have NOT choice

OTOH my be you have better climate (weather) than me hehehehehehe

BTW do you use two WAN router in your net?

PS for: PPPoE & firewall I also use router :2cool:
rom1MB; ram16MB; WAN; 4xLAN(inc.upL); com(dial-up buckup); VPN

dannjr · Post by **dannjr** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:11 am

Andrzej I use 3 seperate routers
1. Linksys 802.11b 4port T10/100
2. ABOCOM Router
3. Ugate3200 Router
4. Linksys VPN router for a backup
3 - speedstream bridges one as a backup
1 - 3com office connect cable modem
3 - 8 port uplink switchs 1 16port switch to the routers
3 servers 2 are Apache servers on Win2k pro 1 proxied mandrake9 file server for Data and internal LAN games

I gave the basic specs because I knew that be next

Its tied alltogehter with a total of 12 workstations 11 AMD 1 P3
Can support 50 to the Internet the way I figured it out. Or about without to much worrie.
One of the apache servers is for personal the other for business
FTP php SQL and perl all enabled.
AND yes my ISPs know. The cable is the only one that isnt used as a server line. But if need be can be ported.

TeenInternetAddict · Post by **TeenInternetAddict** » Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:16 am

I have a 1536/128 PPPoE SWB ADSL connection for 2 months now, I'm 4,080 ft from the CO, speeds are constantly in the high 1140's to 1200's/109 to 121kbps up range. Latency on DSL is better and lower, thus making web surfing more faster. Online gaming is better and enjoyable. I had cable modem service and the service always goes down, latency was higher and speeds was slower at peak time. I was very happy to switch to DSL, and since getting DSL, the speeds has been constant and the uptime has been 100%! Cable was up 99% of the time, 1% was due to cable outages or network upgrades. The only thing I miss from Cox is the speeds, but DSL isn't that bad considering it's $5 less than Cox, and the phone bill only went up once. Cable keeps going up every month. So I'm happy with my SWB ADSL connection. So if you're a gamer, wanting a 100% uptime high speed internet, DSL is for you! I love my DSL connection and I am very happy with my DSL connection

Once I tweaked the DSL using 63888, I don't have to tweak anymore, just be happy with the speeds and surf on. On the cable, I have to keep tweaking and tweaking when Cox switch routers or upgrade the network and the old RWIN won't work anymore.

-T33nInt3rn3tAddict

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 4:32 pm

Hello all, just got an update, I WONT be back on Verizon DSL til the 12th of Dec...:*( BUT when i'm back on, could sum1 PLEASE gimme different settings for Cablenut?? My speeds are 768/128. Thanx... Oh btw every1, I just wanted to let you know, I'm on the $29.95-4 months... I get 2 FREE months... Then I pay $40/month for 6 months, then IF I want to I can find another DSL company to go with... I'm hoping i'm NOT gonna be down again.. Thanx for the help ladies and gentleman...

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:02 pm

Heres my latest analizer result

TCP options string = 020405ac01010402

MTU = 1492
MTU is optimized for PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.

MSS = 1452
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1452, which equals MSS.
MSS is optimized for PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 46464
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 46464
RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63888 (MSS x 44)

bandwidth * delay product:
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1858.56 kbps (232.32 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 743.424 kbps (92.928 KBytes/s) @ 500ms

MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON

Time to live left = 52 hops
TTL value is ok.

Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF

Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON

IP type of service field (RFC1349)= 01011100
Precedence (priority) = 010 (immediate)
Delay = 1 (low delay)
Throughput = 1 (high throughput)
Reliability = 1 (high reliability)
Cost = 0 (normal cost)

My speeds are ok, BUT would luv to go faster than 748 down... I just did a d/l test thru pcpitstop.com... My speeds thru Verizon are up to 768 down and 128 upload... Is there nething I can do?? If not then I guess it's ok... Thx all...

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:06 pm

Your not going to get anymore than 748, that's almost 100% of your caps. I would suggest an RWIN of 31944.

SeanThomas01010 · Post by **SeanThomas01010** » Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:22 am

Tyvm Mnosteele... I do appreciate your imput....

Thorazine · Post by **Thorazine** » Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:26 pm

I'm an ADSL (384down/128up) user now for about 3 or so years now. My line was originally provisioned by Flashcom (They have since gone bankrupt). I'm now with a local ISP called Toad.net. When Flashcom crashed Covad was cool enough to hold the line and transfer it to the ISP of my choosing.

My new ISP are hit and miss. They offered a static IP which drew me to their service but now that I've had it for about a year now, they seem to be down bi-monthly and stay down for extended periods. Once I was without service for almost a week and the tech told me on the phone that a virus hit one of their routers which broke the hardware. I guess they thought I was too stupid to handle the truth, which was probly their engineers just didn't know how to reconfigured the router.

One cool thing about my service is that it decides it an SDSL (384/384) connection most of the time. When there is a problem over at the ISP the line goes back to ADSL but within a few days it's SDSL again. You don't hear me complaining and hopfully they won't read this post and figure out which account is mine.

I'm one of the lucky few that still have a line #. Which means my line is dedicated, for the most part. Most new DSL lines are based on the Rockwell "G-Lite" technology which shares bandwidth much like cable does. This isn't across the board but I do know that major providers like Earthlink, Verizon, Covad all use the G-Lite spec for new ADSL installs.

As far as the Cable vs DSL debate goes. If speed is the ultimate factor determining the technology to use then there is no reason not to get a Cable line. Cable downloads are much faster than DSL and in some areas faster than T1.

My experience with Cable is one of frustration. It tends to be inconsistent. Sometimes it is awesome, sometimes it leaves much to be desired.

DSL on the other hand is very stable. When my connnection is working correctly, while my speeds aren't great, my latency is always awesome. I'm a gamer so this is most important to me.

Finally, as another poster said. At 15000ft you may have line trouble and quite frankly I'm surprised that Covad agreed to put in the line at that distance. While theoretical distance is 18000ft (I think) most lines work the best under 12000ft. Again I'm one of the lucky ones that reside 8000ft from the CO. I'm moving in the next six months so it might be back to dial-up for me. *sigh.....*

Monkeylick78 · Post by **Monkeylick78** » Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:06 pm

All I have to choose from is Comcast or BellSouth Fastaccess.
Given what I know and have experienced with Comcast, I will take my DSL any day of the week.
I've had it for well over a year and have never had to call BellSouth once.
Given Comcasts reputation with costumer support, I believe I made the right choice.

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