Here is an article from our not so wonderful Mayor Bloomberg of NYC who only thing he cares about is banning smoking from almost everywhere:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/s ... 9965c.html
What I find interesting is how he calls people stupid for smoking. In another article I also read he is trying to expand to stop people from smoking at all parks and beaches as well.
Now this coming from a Non-smoker (actually I use to smoke 7 years ago, but quit when I got a sponotaneous pneomothorax), I personally think our mayor is getting a bit ridiculous. I mean how can you ban it from bars? Now everyone will just hang outside while smoking cigarettes.
I think Mayor Bloomberg should stop worrying about smokers, and look at real issues, like getting our Police well deserved raises, and rebuilding the city economy. Dont forget it costs $8 a pack to buy cigarettes in NYC thanks to Bloomberg raising the tax. I think everyone just buys them from indian reservations now, because if I were to smoke no way I would be spending $8 a pack.
Mayor Bloomberg of NYC calls smokers stupid
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I also think smoking is stupid.. No offence to any smokers. I hate having the hovering cloud over my head, hate the smell, it shortens your life, it's addictive, it can cause harm to others, it wastes your money....
My dad was a big smoker and every day for like 10 years I would tell him to stop and that its hurting him, and eventually he quit, I'm so glad he did!
He shouldn't ban smoking though, then it will be like weed, people will still smoke it.
My dad was a big smoker and every day for like 10 years I would tell him to stop and that its hurting him, and eventually he quit, I'm so glad he did!
He shouldn't ban smoking though, then it will be like weed, people will still smoke it.
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I dont think our Mayor who thinks he is so high and moral should be going around calling people stupid.
I wonder how well it would go, if the Mayor called all people who are fat, stupid for not exercising and eating healthy.
Personally I do not believe that smoking is that bad for you, comapred to lets say drinking. Where how many people have died because of drunk drivers a year? Should we just go back to prohibition and ban drinking as well. What about all the liver diseases that alcohol supposedly causes?
I wonder how well it would go, if the Mayor called all people who are fat, stupid for not exercising and eating healthy.
Personally I do not believe that smoking is that bad for you, comapred to lets say drinking. Where how many people have died because of drunk drivers a year? Should we just go back to prohibition and ban drinking as well. What about all the liver diseases that alcohol supposedly causes?
I think people named Mutch are stupid.
No offense to any Mutch's out there.
Substitute the word "smokers" for Mutch and hopefully you get the point.
Yer not going to get that much of a positive dialog when you start out insulting everyone who partakes in the activity being discussed.
Just a thought.
As for the Mayor, he's a moron. All he's doing is taking revenue away from local merchants. That's it. People will NOT stop smoking based on price any more than they'll stop doing heroin or drinking alcohol. They'll find a cheaper place to buy it, and that's all that will happen. You'll see an underground market spring up making day trips to the reservations and coming back with 50 or 60 cartons which they sell on the street for four bucks a pack. Congratulations Mayor, you've just created an underground business that you get NO tax revenue from.
People will only stop smoking based upon personal choice. I smoked from 1984 to 2000. Just decided to stop one day. It wasn't easy, day three/four was the hardest. I've had a cig occaisionally since then, maybe 4 or 5 in the last two years (one was before getting on the Delta flight from Frankfurt after 9/11).
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No offense to any Mutch's out there.
Substitute the word "smokers" for Mutch and hopefully you get the point.
Yer not going to get that much of a positive dialog when you start out insulting everyone who partakes in the activity being discussed.
Just a thought.
As for the Mayor, he's a moron. All he's doing is taking revenue away from local merchants. That's it. People will NOT stop smoking based on price any more than they'll stop doing heroin or drinking alcohol. They'll find a cheaper place to buy it, and that's all that will happen. You'll see an underground market spring up making day trips to the reservations and coming back with 50 or 60 cartons which they sell on the street for four bucks a pack. Congratulations Mayor, you've just created an underground business that you get NO tax revenue from.
People will only stop smoking based upon personal choice. I smoked from 1984 to 2000. Just decided to stop one day. It wasn't easy, day three/four was the hardest. I've had a cig occaisionally since then, maybe 4 or 5 in the last two years (one was before getting on the Delta flight from Frankfurt after 9/11).
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Well it's true, smoking is bad for you! 
And as for the mayor telling fat people to shape up, that doesnt kill other people around you, Ie second hand smoke.
Smoking is worse than drinking, take a look how many people have deid from lung cancer, and have gotten second hand smoke,which kills them.
I'm not insulting them, they should know that when they are smoking they are going to shorten their life span because of it, read the labels on the smokes, people who smoke know they are there but they don't care..
And as for the mayor telling fat people to shape up, that doesnt kill other people around you, Ie second hand smoke.
Smoking is worse than drinking, take a look how many people have deid from lung cancer, and have gotten second hand smoke,which kills them.
I'm not insulting them, they should know that when they are smoking they are going to shorten their life span because of it, read the labels on the smokes, people who smoke know they are there but they don't care..
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Mutch,
I am not sure of the statistics, I will try to look them up, but I have a feeling drunk related accidents kill more people a year then from second hand smoke.
First of all smoking does not always cause cancer. I know plenty of people who are living in their 80's who have smoked for 50 years or so, and still smoke, and no cancer.
I think you have a much better chance of dieing from a heart attack, cause by eating a bad diet, and not exercising, then smoke will ever cause.
As far as seocnd hand smoke, I see nothing wrong with the current law, why change it? what many restaurants have done is create a total isolated room for smokers. Now with the new law even if you have isoalted room, you still cannot smoke. As for bars and banning smoking. I am sorry but smoking goes hand in hand with drinking. Not only that but there are a lot worse things happening in bars then second hand smoke. You have a better chance of dieing from a stab wound or gunshot in NYC at a bar then from second hand smoke.
Bouncer is right, what I see now is people on the street selling cartons of cigarettes. I feel like we are back in prohibition times.
What really pisses me off about the entire thing is Mayor Bloomberg, should be concentrating on real issues in NYC like I mentioned above. We want to bring money in the city, and keep tourism up, not keep people away. For someone who is a businessman, I dont know how he got where he was.
I am not sure of the statistics, I will try to look them up, but I have a feeling drunk related accidents kill more people a year then from second hand smoke.
First of all smoking does not always cause cancer. I know plenty of people who are living in their 80's who have smoked for 50 years or so, and still smoke, and no cancer.
I think you have a much better chance of dieing from a heart attack, cause by eating a bad diet, and not exercising, then smoke will ever cause.
As far as seocnd hand smoke, I see nothing wrong with the current law, why change it? what many restaurants have done is create a total isolated room for smokers. Now with the new law even if you have isoalted room, you still cannot smoke. As for bars and banning smoking. I am sorry but smoking goes hand in hand with drinking. Not only that but there are a lot worse things happening in bars then second hand smoke. You have a better chance of dieing from a stab wound or gunshot in NYC at a bar then from second hand smoke.
Bouncer is right, what I see now is people on the street selling cartons of cigarettes. I feel like we are back in prohibition times.
What really pisses me off about the entire thing is Mayor Bloomberg, should be concentrating on real issues in NYC like I mentioned above. We want to bring money in the city, and keep tourism up, not keep people away. For someone who is a businessman, I dont know how he got where he was.
I'm not 100% sure of the statistics but I thought that cancer from smoking was higher than drunk driving accidents.Originally posted by davy19
Mutch,
I am not sure of the statistics, I will try to look them up, but I have a feeling drunk related accidents kill more people a year then from second hand smoke.
First of all smoking does not always cause cancer. I know plenty of people who are living in their 80's who have smoked for 50 years or so, and still smoke, and no cancer.
I think you have a much better chance of dieing from a heart attack, cause by eating a bad diet, and not exercising, then smoke will ever cause.
As far as seocnd hand smoke, I see nothing wrong with the current law, why change it? what many restaurants have done is create a total isolated room for smokers. Now with the new law even if you have isoalted room, you still cannot smoke. As for bars and banning smoking. I am sorry but smoking goes hand in hand with drinking. Not only that but there are a lot worse things happening in bars then second hand smoke. You have a better chance of dieing from a stab wound or gunshot in NYC at a bar then from second hand smoke.
Bouncer is right, what I see now is people on the street selling cartons of cigarettes. I feel like we are back in prohibition times.
What really pisses me off about the entire thing is Mayor Bloomberg, should be concentrating on real issues in NYC like I mentioned above. We want to bring money in the city, and keep tourism up, not keep people away. For someone who is a businessman, I dont know how he got where he was.
True, smoking does not always cause cancer, but it does most of the time. The people that smoke for 50 years and don't get it are just lucky.
You are right about the eating and excercising bit though, being a fatty will have a greater chance of giving you a heart attack, than smoking will give you cancer
About the smoking laws, everyone's ideals are different, I would rather have no smoking in restaurants or bars, I don't want to be sitting inhaling your toxins. Some people don't mind the smoke, but I hate it after living with it for my whole life.
True you are most likely going to get shot in NYC, rather than getting cancer from second hand smoke, but if it passes in a place like NYC hopefully it will pass here, Sorry but I hate smoke and I'll be glad when its gone for good. Smoke in your homes.
Bouncer has a point...
If you look at California, it's prohibited in any public buildings including restaurants and bars and within 25 feet of such..
In Washington State, the sin taxes on ciggs are so high that it's started a huge blackmarket for them. The border towns in Idaho sell more "boxes" of cigarettes than most major towns here.
Public education on the health risks don't seem to be doing a very good job of curbing smoking.
Having said that, public opinion of smoking does. How many people let smokers light up in their homes or cars now?
When I was young, it seemed to be accepted that you could just about smoke anywhere, including hospitals.
By the way, I'm a long time smoker, who quit about 10 years ago. I"m glad I did and would be lying to anyone reading this if I were to say it was easy. There seems to be different degrees of addiction to nicotine. I know people who can turn it on and off at will with what looks like casual indifference.
I was a lunatic.......
As to Bloomberg..he's a businessman..and not really a statesman.
If you look at California, it's prohibited in any public buildings including restaurants and bars and within 25 feet of such..
In Washington State, the sin taxes on ciggs are so high that it's started a huge blackmarket for them. The border towns in Idaho sell more "boxes" of cigarettes than most major towns here.
Public education on the health risks don't seem to be doing a very good job of curbing smoking.
Having said that, public opinion of smoking does. How many people let smokers light up in their homes or cars now?
When I was young, it seemed to be accepted that you could just about smoke anywhere, including hospitals.
By the way, I'm a long time smoker, who quit about 10 years ago. I"m glad I did and would be lying to anyone reading this if I were to say it was easy. There seems to be different degrees of addiction to nicotine. I know people who can turn it on and off at will with what looks like casual indifference.
I was a lunatic.......
As to Bloomberg..he's a businessman..and not really a statesman.
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In cali, they have a law against smoking in public buildings. Meaning that you cannot smoke while inside any public building, they also added bars and restraunts to the list as well. At first people complained it was not right and discriminitory, but the smokers have learned to deal with it.Originally posted by davy19
I mean how can you ban it from bars? Now everyone will just hang outside while smoking cigarettes.
Akso, if I remember correctly, you can't smoke within 20 feet of the main entrance. what many bars did was opened an patio for the smoking customers to use instead of having to stand out front.
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As for Cali, it's called the "Left" coast for a reason. 
AKA The Peoples Republic of California.
Anywhoo, what NY decides to do to it's citizens is it's business. I live in Va. The idea of banning tobacco from public places is so far beyond ludicrous that it's out there in Spaceballs territory.
I also worked in a Cigarette Shipping facility. We shipped 43 Maersk tractor trailers a day. And we represented, total, 3% of the Asian market.
That means that the total Asian market is about 1450 Tractor trailers worth of cigarettes. A day.
Every day. JUST the Asian market, not including the other continents.
Most people fail to understand how big a business tobacco is and how entwined in our other industries it is. My point is one of economics... if you kill tobacco, you put this country in a recession. We're talking a million plus jobs that are affected. The growers, plant workers, distributors, shippers, clerks in convenience stores, grocery stores and any place where tobacco is sold. Believe it. Tobacco profits from middle men are one of the things that keep the marginal convenience stores and gas stations in operation and those people employed.
Doesn't matter if tobacco kills or not, economically it'd be like closing down GM and all it's suppliers and contractors and dealers etc etc.
BTW, in the end, we ALL die. That's a rule. Everyone dies.
For relative risk factors here's a comparison...
A factor of 1.0 per cent is considered no risk at all.
A cookie a day increases your risk of heart disease by 1.49 per cent.
Second Hand smoke increase your risk of fatal heart disease by 1.20 percent.
Clearly, we should move for an immediate ban on cookies!
Send all yours to me right away from proper disposal in a biologically sound manner!
The US Surgeon General's office, considers sloth and obesity to cause as much if not more cancer than tobacco.
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Truly, the problem is not really a health one, but a perception one. Human beings have very sensitive noses, with around 50 million olfactory sensor cells. We are able to detect scents as small as 1 part per BILLION. And we smell.. smoke. We smell the tobacco, the tar and the alcohol in it. And because we can smell it, we believe we must be inhaling large quantities of it. And because it smells bad, it must be bad.
Consider that by and large you cannot smell the fumes coming from a vehicle, at least not as well as you can a cigarette. But the simple fact is they put far more dangerous chemicals in the air in a far larger amount than smokers ever could. But because you don't smell it, you ignore the risk it poses. Don't believe me? Check out the Asian Brown Cloud.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/ ... 8323.shtml
You notice second hand smoke doesn't get a single word of mention in that entire story.
In the studies of second hand smoke you see held up as examples, there are some rather glaring flaws. Basically, none of them are conducted in open areas or large, well ventilated rooms. Anyplace where a non smoker might spend significant time. Instead, they're done in small, tightly constrained areas with heavy amounts of smoke fumes. As if you were sitting in a smoking lounge at an airport day after day. It doesn't reflect the real world, but a worst case scenario.
And even then the increase in health risk is less than that of one cookie a day.
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AKA The Peoples Republic of California.
Anywhoo, what NY decides to do to it's citizens is it's business. I live in Va. The idea of banning tobacco from public places is so far beyond ludicrous that it's out there in Spaceballs territory.
I also worked in a Cigarette Shipping facility. We shipped 43 Maersk tractor trailers a day. And we represented, total, 3% of the Asian market.
That means that the total Asian market is about 1450 Tractor trailers worth of cigarettes. A day.
Every day. JUST the Asian market, not including the other continents.
Most people fail to understand how big a business tobacco is and how entwined in our other industries it is. My point is one of economics... if you kill tobacco, you put this country in a recession. We're talking a million plus jobs that are affected. The growers, plant workers, distributors, shippers, clerks in convenience stores, grocery stores and any place where tobacco is sold. Believe it. Tobacco profits from middle men are one of the things that keep the marginal convenience stores and gas stations in operation and those people employed.
Doesn't matter if tobacco kills or not, economically it'd be like closing down GM and all it's suppliers and contractors and dealers etc etc.
BTW, in the end, we ALL die. That's a rule. Everyone dies.
For relative risk factors here's a comparison...
A factor of 1.0 per cent is considered no risk at all.
A cookie a day increases your risk of heart disease by 1.49 per cent.
Second Hand smoke increase your risk of fatal heart disease by 1.20 percent.
Clearly, we should move for an immediate ban on cookies!
Send all yours to me right away from proper disposal in a biologically sound manner!
The US Surgeon General's office, considers sloth and obesity to cause as much if not more cancer than tobacco.
BAN MCDONALDS! IT'S A KILLER! QUICK! EVERYONE RUN AROUND ALL HYSTERICAL!
Truly, the problem is not really a health one, but a perception one. Human beings have very sensitive noses, with around 50 million olfactory sensor cells. We are able to detect scents as small as 1 part per BILLION. And we smell.. smoke. We smell the tobacco, the tar and the alcohol in it. And because we can smell it, we believe we must be inhaling large quantities of it. And because it smells bad, it must be bad.
Consider that by and large you cannot smell the fumes coming from a vehicle, at least not as well as you can a cigarette. But the simple fact is they put far more dangerous chemicals in the air in a far larger amount than smokers ever could. But because you don't smell it, you ignore the risk it poses. Don't believe me? Check out the Asian Brown Cloud.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/ ... 8323.shtml
You notice second hand smoke doesn't get a single word of mention in that entire story.
In the studies of second hand smoke you see held up as examples, there are some rather glaring flaws. Basically, none of them are conducted in open areas or large, well ventilated rooms. Anyplace where a non smoker might spend significant time. Instead, they're done in small, tightly constrained areas with heavy amounts of smoke fumes. As if you were sitting in a smoking lounge at an airport day after day. It doesn't reflect the real world, but a worst case scenario.
And even then the increase in health risk is less than that of one cookie a day.
Regards,
-Bouncer-
(edit cause I can't calculate)
I'm a smoker I know the risks but we all
take risks to us and others ,in our every day life: driving, eating, drinking, jobs and sometimes doing foolish thing in the name of “having just fun”.
This site I found may help give more munitions to either side of this discussion
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/statehi/statehi.htm
take risks to us and others ,in our every day life: driving, eating, drinking, jobs and sometimes doing foolish thing in the name of “having just fun”.
This site I found may help give more munitions to either side of this discussion
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/statehi/statehi.htm
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Sure not talking about a few women you dated.Originally posted by Mutch
I also think smoking is stupid.. No offence to any smokers. I hate having the hovering cloud over my head, hate the smell, it shortens your life, it's addictive, it can cause harm to others, it wastes your money....
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Re: Mayor Bloomberg of NYC calls smokers stupid
Well for my 2 cents worth......I do smoke, I enjoy it, I do not smoke around non-smokers and I am willing to pay the price..I guess myself and millions like me are stupid according to Bloomberg....Maybe us smokers should stage a smoke out strike every other month and then see where the money will come from to pay for all these sports arenas, RTA Transit systems, and so called public advertising messages that create thousands of jobs in the public sector.....I could go on and on, but I am stupid and not only that, I have to light up a butt to keep all these public servants working..Originally posted by davy19
Here is an article from our not so wonderful Mayor Bloomberg of NYC who only thing he cares about is banning smoking from almost everywhere:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/s ... 9965c.html
What I find interesting is how he calls people stupid for smoking. In another article I also read he is trying to expand to stop people from smoking at all parks and beaches as well.
Now this coming from a Non-smoker (actually I use to smoke 7 years ago, but quit when I got a sponotaneous pneomothorax), I personally think our mayor is getting a bit ridiculous. I mean how can you ban it from bars? Now everyone will just hang outside while smoking cigarettes.
I think Mayor Bloomberg should stop worrying about smokers, and look at real issues, like getting our Police well deserved raises, and rebuilding the city economy. Dont forget it costs $8 a pack to buy cigarettes in NYC thanks to Bloomberg raising the tax. I think everyone just buys them from indian reservations now, because if I were to smoke no way I would be spending $8 a pack.
.I do know however where the money will come from TO PAY FOR ALL THESE LUXURIES, if smokers refuse to smoke anymore...YOUR POCKET!!CHEVYMAN282
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Yes, I'm a smoker, and I'm stupid for ever starting.
Here in Ontario there is no smoking allowed in restaurants anymore, or buildings (work, or public). When the law was first promoted, the restaurant owners went ballistic thinking they would lose a lot of business. Exactly the opposite happened, they gained business.
It seems a lot of non smokers didn't dine out when they had to suffer eating a decent meal in a cloud of pollution.
Kind of ruined the atmosphere for them (pun intended)
Even as a smoker I agree with these laws. Non smokers shouldn't have to breath the crap we smoke while confined indoors. It isn't right.
Outdoors, that's a different story, it's not so dense and confined, and it mixes in with all the other pollution we all breath.
Mayors should watch what they say, and should also think things through. Taxing one item so high invites crime, and causes tax coffers to actually decrease.
Yes, I'm a smoker, and I'm stupid for ever starting.
Here in Ontario there is no smoking allowed in restaurants anymore, or buildings (work, or public). When the law was first promoted, the restaurant owners went ballistic thinking they would lose a lot of business. Exactly the opposite happened, they gained business.
It seems a lot of non smokers didn't dine out when they had to suffer eating a decent meal in a cloud of pollution.
Kind of ruined the atmosphere for them (pun intended)
Even as a smoker I agree with these laws. Non smokers shouldn't have to breath the crap we smoke while confined indoors. It isn't right.
Outdoors, that's a different story, it's not so dense and confined, and it mixes in with all the other pollution we all breath.
Mayors should watch what they say, and should also think things through. Taxing one item so high invites crime, and causes tax coffers to actually decrease.
