A new CoolerMaster HSF...

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:50 pm

I've been toying of the idea of trying this out. I really don't want a Delta fan or such. I've been looking for a quiet solution.

Any thoughts?

http://www.coolermaster.com.hk/en/produ ... c-001.html

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:32 pm

Some reviews....

http://www.ipkonfig.com/Reviews/Heatsin ... ndex.shtml

http://ocplus.freeservers.com/cak38vshp.htm

A quesion....how noisy is a 6800rpm fan going to be?

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:54 pm

A quesion....how noisy is a 6800rpm fan going to be?

I never thought noise would bother me, but I just got rid of a big Delta screamer because it whined so bad I couldn't stand it anymore! I just put a 5,000 RPM fan in and it is much quieter and I only gained about 2 degrees. I don't OC so it's no big deal.

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:02 am

the noise factor is dependant on a few things. where you case is located, the type/guage of the (case) material used.

if you are sensitive to noise, i would try getting an 80mm->60mm fan adapter and issuing the HS a slower-yet-comparable-CFM fan. otherwise, you could try a slower, but higher quality 60mm fan.

that's a pretty trick HSF, too. built-in heat pipe is slick if it works.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 4:27 pm

WoooooHooooooooo

Ok I just got this today, and have been playing around with it....

A few things before I start. I'm using an Asus A7v266-E board at 147 fsb for now....For reading the heat, I'm using the Asus Probe that came on the mobo CD. The cpu is an AMD 1800 XP.

I'm using an Antec 840 case with two fans in the back and one on the power supply.

Asus runs it's Vcore at 1.84 according to Probe...which is more than likely true from what I read on various AMD sites. There is a way to set it lower but I wanted to stick with all the overclocking settings in the BIOS so I've left it alone. Also note that the Asus Probe seems to calculate the CPU temps just a tad hotter than they really are. Maybe as much as 8 degrees C. So when I post my temps, don't fall off your chair.

All tests are with running Gnome@home at 100 percent cpu usage on Windows XP.

Old heat sink and fan...
Thermaltake Volcano 6CU....with a fan running at 4650 rpm. Not fast but not noisy either. But as you can tell, not a great cooler.

My CPU at full load was running around 60 to 61 degrees C.

After install this new trick hsf, my temps at full load dropped to 48 degrees C. However, that fan at 6800 was just a bit too much for me. Nothing like a Delta but for my tired old ears...a no go. So I tried the old one off of my Volcano and I was running 50 degrees C. A WHOPPING 10 degree drop with this new HSF with a slower fan even.

I also added a new Sunon fan for the front after running these tests and dropped it another degree. This new 80 mm case fan, seems to push as much air as them two Antec fans in the back with what seems to me to be the same amount of noise. I think I just may have to buy one more for the front and swap the two in the back for Sunon's.

Maybe Faust or someone might have a better suggestion for better air flow for this new heat sink. I'd have no idea what to look for. For me, noise is a huge issue and this new setup is just what I was looking for!

A very happy downhill.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 4:44 pm

That is starting to sound really good! I have been waiting to hear what you thought of it!

I am still sorting and thinking the parts that I will build my new one with, narrowing them down and this HSF is going to be placed in the final rounds...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:29 pm

a good heatsink keeps full load to 45 or less, coolermaster makes good heatsinks if u want a quieter rig, but not GREAT heatsinks.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:53 pm

i have the coolermaster hcc-002 love it

i am going to get the heatpipe one also i belivee

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:54 pm

hmmm..... you up for a case mod, downhill? nothing major, and maybe you could do it without actually having to cut the case.

what i would do is use one of the the 80mm "input" fan bays (near the front of the case) to route fresh/cool air from outside the case straight to the HSF's fan via a duct. somthing like flexible dryer duct (but i think that is too big. you see what i mean, though). this way, the HSF is supplied with the coolest air available - from outside the case - instead of recirculating its own progressively warmer air. you could even use an 80mm fan in the mentioned fan bay (on the intake side of the duct) to push even more air through the HSF.

just an idea......

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:18 pm

Yard, I probably am around 41 or 42..this Asus Probe is off by that much I believe...still...a 10 degree drop with my fan from my old heatsink is not too shabby.

Faust...hummm..with this Antec, your right, I'd not have to cut a hole....what to use?...you have me thinking here...flexable tubing shouldn't be too hard to find.

Yeah I'm up to it. Thanks for the suggestion!

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:56 pm

I ordered that HS on sunday... I hope its as good as I think it is!

drdoug99 · Post by **drdoug99** » Tue Feb 19, 2002 12:20 am

Nice choice downhill! glad to see it's a good performer...it's relatively cheap also from what i've read compared to other HSF solutions.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:04 am

Faust...the more I think about it....the more I think I'll take a trip down to my local Home Depot......A nice excuse to look for flexable tubing... Maybe something used for roof vents.....

Besides...there are routers to look at. Oak..........trim.....new tools......bits........hummm.....spring is just aound the corner...maybe the early bird buys are out on fertilizer........oh yeah...flexible tubing..

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:15 am

Originally posted by downhill
......A nice excuse to look for flexable tubing... Maybe something used for roof vents.....

Clothes dryer exhaust vent should work.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:48 pm

Thanks Roundeye..

Yeah I thought of that...a bit big is all...if worse come to worse.....and I can't find a smaller diameter hose....

I may use thin pcp pipe...it would be rigid enough to sit on the bottom of the case...and there's enough room I do believe, in that Antec to keep air flow moving....

No digital camera but I'll try and get some pics and some test results of whatever I do.

It certianly isn't going to look like one of your mastepices.....

Speaking of......what the 'ell is wrong with Maxium PC? Man your setup is sweet compared to some they have printed. No kidding....

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 6:02 am

hmmm..... my first thought was to pick something too big and then split it longitudally and overlap the sides so you can decrease the diameter. then either tape it up or glue/hot glue or screw it. it may have that "mickey mouse" look, but the functionality will still be there.

you may also want to check around for flexible PVC pipe/tubing. or maybe A/C & heating duct... dont know how small that comes, though. the only thing i would keep in mind with flexible stuff is you wouldn't want something with too much "memory" (an object's desire to return to its original shape) as it may stress the HSF/CPU if physically attached to the top (pulling or pushing the HSF in a certain direction in an attempt to straighten itself out).

at any rate, good luck with that. if i think of something that will work well with minimal effort, i will let you know.

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 1:21 am

Dryer duct is 4" which is kind of big. Look for 3" flexible waste pipe used for RVs. Both have a wire coil inside so you need to put something on the ends to cover it. There are several shapes of PVC fittings to choose from that will slip right on. Like round-to-square or flanged.

Shop vac hose is 2 1/4" and some are all plastic without the wire.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:41 am

Thanks poptom....I went looking this weekend...new dryer vent is all metal...not good....I thought about pvc..but it's probaby just a bit big....

I'll have to look at rv duct. Sounds like that might be what I need...

One note, if your using plactic...I suppose you'd need some wire in it to cut static electricty. wrap it and ground the wire to your case..

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 1:25 pm

I wouldn't be concerned about static charge. It's just air. Not like rubbing a cat.

Also take a look at plastic downspout elbows.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 6:43 pm

My HHC-001 keeps my proc below 45 at all times... normally below 40 but when loaded its like 41+

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:25 am

Update, here's what I found.....

Man looking for something flexable is tough...

poptom, I found something similar to what you were talking about. It's about the same diameter. It's made for bathroom ducting. And the lumber yard I found it at sells it for 89 cents a foot.

First I went ahead and filled the last two fan slots on the front of the case with some generic 80 mm fans I found at a local computer supply store. They don't quite have the air flow of this Sunon but not bad and they meet my low noise requirment.

Then running Gnome and watching temps, that lowered them by 3 degrees..I'm now running at 48 degrees C.

Taking that flexable tubing, I taped it on the Sunon fan so there were no leaks. Then actually hooked the other end over the end of my HSF being careful so as to not put undue strain on it.

I'm sad to say it didn't really help much as my cpu temps stayed at 48 degrees C. but my mobo temps jumped up a degree.

I'd have to say that this Antec case have excellent cooling. Now I may try it again when my room gets hotter this summer. Or if I decide that a faster rpm 80 mm fan might be acceptable as far as noise goes.

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 1:13 am

Ah, well. At least it didn't cost much.

My familiarity with that kind of material and fittings came about when I built a sawdust collection system for my workshop.

I don't OC so I was able to keep my case cooling simple and quiet. After a lot of testing I wound up with nothing but a 92 mm exhaust fan and enlarged front openings. 47C running F@H on a 1.33G T-bird.

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:55 am

drat.

i am sorry for the wild goose chase there, downhill. the logic is very sound, but i think you hit the nail on the head with the Antec case having very well engineered airflow. you will probably see more of a difference as you said - this summer when things heat up a bit.

a question..... is the intake for the HSF duct close to a fan bay or PSU fan (possibly recirculating exhausted "case air")? if so, i would set it up so it's next to another "intake fan" blowing air into the case.

just another one of my ground-breaking ideas (j/k)

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downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:08 am

Thanks for the replies, gentlemen........

Faust, no the one I used is on the bottom front of the case. You do bring up a good point as I'm now using 1 Sunon and two generic 80mm fans on the front of the case with the Sunon being the one on the bottom. It has just a bit more cfm. There are two case fans on the rear that come with the Antec and of course the one for the power supply. I may not have as much pull from the case as I do to the case......

Still this is about that HSF and I still feel it rocks....someone posted a thread about lapping the bottom of it as it does come with noticable grooves in the bottom. I'm going to try that soon.

One more note for those that missed the very beginning of this thread. I'm using the Asus Probe for checking out my temps and from what I read, it's around 7 to 8 degrees warmer than actuall temps. I'm quite happy with this hsf.

Partial · Post by **Partial** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:54 am

Originally posted by downhill

A quesion....how noisy is a 6800rpm fan going to be?

I just put in a cooler running at 5300 rpms. It was really noisy. Sometimes I do appreciate the sounds of a hovercraft in my room. Not only that, but I could hear inteference in the fan that sounded like pulsing and made it worse.

I put a resistor on the line and dropped the speed down to 4300 rpm. I only gained a º or so, but the fan is really quiet now.

HawaiianGhost · Post by **HawaiianGhost** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:31 pm

Originally posted by downhill
I've been toying of the idea of trying this out. I really don't want a Delta fan or such. I've been looking for a quiet solution.

Any thoughts?

OK, this may be a little late downhill, but here's my opinion. I own this HHC-001 setup, for about a month now. My results are as follows:

original hs/f -- CPU Temp@55*C thru BIOS (BIOS was off by 15-20*C--oooooouch!!)

w/HHC-001 hs/f -- CPU Temp@35-40*C thru SisSoft Sandra

HHC-001 "Lapped & Polished" to Mirror finish -- 29-35* thru SisSoft Sandra

Effects: No lock-ups, no lag in games, programs start right with hardly any delays.

Noisy? in my opinion, it's really not that bad. It's pretty quiet to me, compared to original hs/f it seems the same (although I do work around "running" F-16 Tact. Jet Fighters 12hrs a day, but that's another story). And I love it!! Worthwhile investment even though it is pretty freakin' huge but I don't move my PC around much. Just glad to know that my CPU will live that much longer.

Next project: tweak current system a little more then give to wife. Then, build ME a new server and mobile desktop for upcoming Lan parties and DJ gigs that associates and I are planning in the near future. *see "Mobo confused" post and vote/critique!!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:43 pm

Woooooohooooo...no that's not late at all!!!

I think I'll do a little polishing by this weekend on mine. That is some serious drop in temps. Lapping, here I come.

Humm....looking I do have all them grits in wet paper...and some metal polish as well.....

Man that's hard to believe you can get them kind of drops in temps, by just a little elbow grease...

Thanks for responding, Hawaiian Ghost! Oh and if no one has done so yet.......welcome to SpeedGuide.

HawaiianGhost · Post by **HawaiianGhost** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:26 pm

No Problem downhill & thanx for salutationz. Just tryin' to help out "tweakerz" who hopefully will help me out one day when needed. *see Mobo Confused" post and poll...

Keep in mind though that systemz do vary, but the rezults that I posted are similiar to others in different review forumz (+/- 2*C) that I've read. And theze rezults are with my PCDJ RED program which run on Dual Sound Card config - SB Audigy & SB 128PCI (so you see why I don't notice the fan noise too much). I DJ in some European night clubs once in awhile when called for.

Oh, and I started out with 150>220>320>400grit could find any higher grit on a Sunday. Then "Never Dull" metal polish (works on alot of metal types including Copper and Aluminum) all this in 20min. You don't have to GRIND it down, just even it out until flat (look at it in different angles to judge flateness). **BE sure too CLEAN off any excess polish/"black" residue before re-installing though and use in well ventilated area. $5 for 5*C? Not bad at all. Good Luck!!

Here's a good site on Lapping:

http://www.sysopt.com/articles/lap/index.html

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