Hi guys please help me figure this OUT!!

gabriel2948 · Post by **gabriel2948** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:45 pm

Hi everyone, this is my first post here, so let me go ahead and explain my situation.
I play a online game where basically, the person with the lower ping or latency will most likely be way better and win way more.

Game info: (Its basically a ring, you have to click or set an autoclick on a UPPERCUT button really fast while moving, other players will try to uppercut you, and you try to uppercut them, so obviously the person with the less ping will get the clicks faster to the server or at least this is my logic conclusion) THE GAME HAS REALLY CARTOONISH GRAPHICS.

Okay so, this being said.. I used to own a i3 acer laptop, 4gb ram, win 7, not a beast but it wasnt a bad laptop. (I have a 50mbps internet download and 5mbps internet upload)

I used to play this game on my laptop and when I went ahead to command prompt before entering to see how my ping or lagg was and pinged the servers, I normally got around 20 - 40's. Which wasnt bad, but I wanted more, I wanted to drop it to the 5's like a friend I met on that game, he told me he had a Gaming PC And 50mbps internet connection, and he is super good at the game (Because his ping is in the 5's)

Now I realized, I had the exact internet speed connection, and my pings where at their best at their 20's. So therefore, I had to get myself a Gaming PC to boost that ping down to the 5's. And So I did, I purchased a amd fx 6000 6 core 3.5ghz turbo to 4.1ghz cpu ddr3 8gb ram nvidia gt 720. OS Win 8.1
Which is by far, a way better PC for gaming than my laptop.

My computer got home yesterday, I connected it, I setup the windows and first thing I do is go to command prompt and ping the servers expecting that beautiful 5 or so! To my surprised, it popped up to the 100s..

How could this be possible, my 50mbps internet connection with a way better computer in overall, why more ping!?? I started doing research on the web and found speedguide.net , I read a lot from the website and made changes to my registry, Disabled Nagles Algorithm, and downloaded TCPOptimizer. Now whatever it was, I managed to drop my ping to the 20'S.

But its still not what desired, here is the info for the servers found with SG Ip Locator.

104.28.3.73 IP address Information
The IP address 104.28.3.73 was found in San Francisco, California, United States. It is allocated to CloudFlare. Additional IP location information, as well as network tools are available below.

IP address: 104.28.3.73
ISP: CloudFlare
City: San Francisco
Region: California
Country: United States (US) flag
Postal code: 94107
Area code: 415
Metro code: 807
latitude: 37.7697
longitude: -122.3933

TRACEROUTE

traceroute to 104.28.3.73 (104.28.3.73), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 68-67-73-17.static.as19844.net (68.67.73.17) 0.273 ms 0.313 ms 0.401 ms
2 ve101.e2-17.core-a.jcvnflcq.as19844.net (198.205.127.5) 0.239 ms 0.275 ms 0.423 ms
3 23.92.83.161 (23.92.83.161) 0.303 ms 0.313 ms 0.307 ms
4 64.125.193.125.available.above.net (64.125.193.125) 6.201 ms 6.204 ms 6.196 ms
5 zayo-telia.atl6.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.12.98) 18.884 ms 18.886 ms 18.875 ms
6 cloudflare-ic-301665-atl-bb1.c.telia.net (62.115.32.222) 6.279 ms 6.282 ms 6.275 ms
7 104.28.3.73 (104.28.3.73) 6.175 ms 6.197 ms 6.214 ms

bgp routing info

route: 104.16.0.0/12
origin: AS13335
descr: CLOUDFLARENET - CloudFlare, Inc.,US
lastupd-frst: 2015-05-27 05
lastupd-last: 2015-06-10 15
seen-at: rrc00,rrc01,rrc03,rrc04,rrc05,rrc06,rrc07,rrc10,rrc11,rrc12,rrc13,rrc14,rrc15
num-rispeers: 105
route: 104.28.0.0/20
origin: AS13335
descr: CLOUDFLARENET - CloudFlare, Inc.,US
lastupd-frst: 2015-05-27 05
lastupd-last: 2015-06-10 15
seen-at: rrc00,rrc01,rrc03,rrc04,rrc05,rrc06,rrc07,rrc10,rrc11,rrc12,rrc13,rrc14,rrc15
num-rispeers: 105

So please guys help me figure out what happened with the ping? how is it possible? why? ANY KNOWLEDGE YOU GUYS CAN SHARE WITH ME.
And specially if any of you guys tells me what I can do to REDUCE Latency or PING in those specific servers, or in overall. Please help me out guys!

Post by **Philip** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:18 pm

Hello Gabriel, welcome to SG.

Let me start by saying a ping of 5ms is rare. It is usually only possible to servers on your ISP, or sharing the same Network Center as your Internet provider. 20ms ping is not bad at all, and you can't expect a better PC to drop ping - every node/router on the line between you and that gaming server adds a bit of latency.

Just drop to command prompt on your PC and do a trace from you to that gaming server.. Search -> type: command -> then type: tracert 104.28.3.73

The first hop will be your router, the next your local node from your Internet provider, and so on until you get to that gaming server. As much tweaking as you can do on your end to reduce latency, it is negligible compared to the latency introduced by distance, and congested routers on the way to that server.

That said, you should still try to look over the following article (some of those are tweakable using the TCP Optimizer): http://www.speedguide.net/articles/gaming-tweaks-5812 You may also check the two links at the end of the article about tweaking your wireless router/adapter settings.

Feel free to post your tracert here so we can take a look and see where the latency is occurring if you'd like, you can hide your IP.

gabriel2948 · Post by **gabriel2948** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:33 pm

Hi mate, thanks for your reply! here are the results.

Tracing route to 104.28.3.73 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 192.168.0.1
2 18 ms 22 ms 17 ms cpe-76-95-128-1.socal.res.rr.com [76.95.128.1]
3 17 ms 29 ms 19 ms tge0-10-0-11.vnnzca2402h.socal.rr.com [76.167.27
.221]
4 23 ms 29 ms 29 ms agg11.vnnycajz02r.socal.rr.com [72.129.14.98]
5 25 ms 29 ms 23 ms agg29.tustcaft01r.socal.rr.com [72.129.13.2]
6 35 ms 27 ms 30 ms bu-ether16.tustca4200w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.64]
7 14 ms 21 ms 16 ms 0.ae3.pr1.lax10.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.56]
8 22 ms 31 ms 26 ms las-b21-link.telia.net [62.115.36.57]
9 14 ms 13 ms 14 ms cloudflare-ic-301668-las-bb1.c.telia.net [62.115
.32.214]
10 22 ms 20 ms 17 ms 104.28.3.73

Trace complete.

Do you think if I tweak my router I could drop some more ping? Im just trying to get the best ping possible for the game, since this is what really makes the difference in it

Thanks again for your help
Gabriel.

gunmaker · Post by **gunmaker** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:10 am

exact fact, you can only get 5 ms or better (ivs seen 2 and zero o.o) if your literalyl close enough to the network and drop the router. only super advanced NETWORKING CARDS can get u there, and it takesa few days before the card doesd the hack automatically. 3 popular cards are from orinoco gold, bigfoot networks, and theres an elite software built into the asus arog that does it too. so basically combine all three technolkogies, createa network bridge between all, and then use tcp optimizer to finish it off by making sure that all threeecards are using the net - share - dma - mode, basically turn every feature on in the custom mode, and whatch the demon come to life

p.s. my config basically acts as negative ping times. like -.001

forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?285418-way-the-gt-gt-gt-faster-LD

ive been hacking before you guys were born boyo, and im untouchable. literally

gunmaker · Post by **gunmaker** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:13 am

>>>Do you think if I tweak my router I could drop some more ping? Im just trying to get the best ping possible for the game, since this is what really makes the difference in it

<<

surely, my name may be new here but my skills are not. can you give the routers brand name? from there i can hand you the password login and configuration settings youll love

brand name example centurylink(isp) actiontec(logo) c1000(model and version)

gunmaker · Post by **gunmaker** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:19 am

ps there are shuch things as overclocked routers (lol) thersa german company that sells !aha! "fritzbox!" red routers, they are truly elite hardware and software. problem is your paying half your rent to get one.

best trick ive found is to upgrade to ddwrt for even more speeds, and learn some of the basg sgell commands for the router to configure auto reboot (and other garbage colelct functions) in order to keep the flashram(8 mb is freeken tiny space) clear of junk. for instance if you torrent you must ALWAYS reboot your router (or your isp does it) daily to keep the chunk of netbios and dns names from clogging your router to death - that goes for any router.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:12 am

Uh... no.

Post by **Philip** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:10 am

gunmaker wrote:ps there are shuch things as overclocked routers (lol) thersa german company that sells !aha! "fritzbox!" red routers, they are truly elite hardware and software. problem is your paying half your rent to get one.

best trick ive found is to upgrade to ddwrt for even more speeds, and learn some of the basg sgell commands for the router to configure auto reboot (and other garbage colelct functions) in order to keep the flashram(8 mb is freeken tiny space) clear of junk. for instance if you torrent you must ALWAYS reboot your router (or your isp does it) daily to keep the chunk of netbios and dns names from clogging your router to death - that goes for any router.

There are routers with 256 MB Ram nowadays. You can reduce TCP timeouts to clear out old connections faster and free resources, I've had routers run for 6+ months without the need for rebooting. Other stuff like "DNS cache" are a good thing. I agree that dd-wrt (or tomato) are good firmware for tweaking advanced wireless and Linux settings/tcp timeouts, but that's about it. There articles on the main site that I already suggested for tweaking router settings and network cards that go in detail about the effect of each setting.

Post by **Philip** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:36 am

1 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 192.168.0.1
2 18 ms 22 ms 17 ms cpe-76-95-128-1.socal.res.rr.com [76.95.128.1]
3 17 ms 29 ms 19 ms tge0-10-0-11.vnnzca2402h.socal.rr.com [76.167.27
.221]
...

The first hop is most likely your router (or modem). The second one is the local node from your ISP.
Seems there is quite a bit of latency (10ms) to your first hop/router. This should be closer to 1ms since it is local to you. Are you using wireless connection ? What is the model of the router, what firmware ?

The second hop is 20ms away... Does that vary depending on time of day (i.e. higher after 5pm on weekdays, when everyone is online) ?

Your best bet would be to use a decent well configured router and check cabling to it, the first hops should look something like that (<1ms to first hop/router, 10ms to second hop is normal with cable):

Tracing route to 104.28.3.73 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms RT-AC68R [192.168.1.1]
2 9 ms 11 ms 8 ms 96.120.21.x
3 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms te-0-7-0-10-sur02.fl.jacksvil.comcast.net
[68.86.170.x]
4 12 ms 12 ms 11 ms te-0-1-0-11-ar02.southside.fl.jacksvil.comcast.n
et [69.139.222.185]
...
etc.

Note the <1ms latency to first hop (router).

gabriel2948 · Post by **gabriel2948** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:04 pm

Hi guys thank all of you for your help!!! My router is a ARRIS DG1670
Anyone who can tell me what to tweak or what to do with it to get the BEST performance in the game I will honestly REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE IT Guys, Ive been looking for solutions all over the internet and you guys are the ones who have helped me out the most so far.

Router Model: ARRIS DG1670.
I dont use wifi, I have the ethernet cable directly connected to my pc.

Post by **Philip** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:44 am

That is a Docsis 3 Cable modem it seems... There is info on how to login to it here: http://www.speedguide.net/routers/arris ... rrent-3412

You should try to reduce that 10ms latency to it, that shouldn't be there, it's just too much for a device that's local to you.

Try to keep it a couple of feet away from possible sources of interference, like power supplies, fluorescent lights, monitors, etc. Reboot the router.
Try to keep cabling away from interference as well, and use proper cat5e or Cat6 cable.

Check the network card settings on your PC, here is an article on what they mean: http://www.speedguide.net/articles/netw ... ation-3449
In general, stop any TCP Offloads in the Network Card settings, you can leave Checksum offloads on.

Try to turn off anti-virus/firewall software on your PC for a moment, to see if that latency to the first hop changes. Does any of the above reduce that ping to the first hop ?

IrmaCDunn · Post by **IrmaCDunn** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:17 am

There are routers with 256 MB Ram nowadays. You can reduce TCP timeouts to clear out old connections faster and free resources