Netflix discussion thread

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:55 pm

Since we don't really have a thread dedicated to all Netflix.. I figured I'd start one with this interesting news that may indeed jump prices so high it won't be worth using anymore.

I really enjoy Netflix but they are often showing only 1 part of 3 parts of a movie series on streaming like LOTR's so it sucks to get stuck having to get the disks each time to finish them all. Or as I talked about in another thread was the waiting of 25+days after a release before you can even get the disk in the mail shipped cause the industry wants people to get all pissed and go out and buy the disk which is a waste when you consider most times you watch it 2-3 times AT MOST. I was considering dropping HBO this year cause of netflix streaming anyway along with Starz since they have the Starz play to use.

In the not so distant past, Netflix was known mainly for its red envelopes. The DVD-rental-by-mail service was the company's core, and streaming video was a side perk for subscribers.

Fast forward to 2011, and online movies and TV couldn't be hotter. Google, Amazon, Hulu and others have jumped into the fray -- putting studios in the power position. They want to be paid more for the content they're providing.

That spells trouble for Netflix's streaming content costs.

"Netflix has another year or two on most of these contracts, and then the game completely changes," says Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Securities.

Pachter predicts Netflix's streaming content licensing costs will rise from $180 million in 2010 to a whopping $1.98 billion in 2012.

When streaming video was new, Netflix was able to secure contracts with the likes of Warner Bros. Studios and MTV to license big TV and film catalogues for about $5 million to $10 million per year. This time around, Pachter says, those costs could increase more than tenfold.

"The content owners realize they can't give Netflix all the leverage," he says. "Netflix had the power when they were the only bidder. But you don't have as much leverage when you suddenly have competition."

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/08/technol ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:27 pm

I happily get the blu-ray's,and I know it's worth waiting for the discs for the superior sound and video quality difference,that streaming just cannot do at this point,not even close.

I have watched a couple movies streamed through netflix,and frankly it sucks IMO.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:50 pm

Dan wrote:I happily get the blu-ray's,and I know it's worth waiting for the discs for the superior sound and video quality difference,that streaming just cannot do at this point,not even close.

I have watched a couple movies streamed through netflix,and frankly it sucks IMO.

I've got my streaming settings all the way up to max quality..they only have a few titles in HD right now and it also depends on what you use to stream for a better quality picture and sound reproduction. But I'm like you, I do prefer the newer stuff on Blu-ray for better quality all around...just sucks having to wait for them a month after the real release.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:04 pm

I use my new laptop with HDMI and I connect it with a cable instead of wireless for streaming if I really have to stream,and I run it through my AVR for video upscale and sound processing,and I still don't really like the quality,I think DVD quality is even better than streaming.

like I sad though,I don't do it much.

like you said too,there is not a great selection of streaming movies anyway.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:19 pm

I’ve been thinking about getting Netflix. How long does it take in the mail to get a movie after you order it? I’d rather not stream since I’m on a wireless connection. Streaming does sound nice because I could stream a Hi-Def movie and I don’t have a Blu-Ray player yet.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:20 pm

oops

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:07 pm

RoundEye wrote:I’ve been thinking about getting Netflix. How long does it take in the mail to get a movie after you order it? I’d rather not stream since I’m on a wireless connection. Streaming does sound nice because I could stream a Hi-Def movie and I don’t have a Blu-Ray player yet.

well,first off,most streaming units only stream in 720p,and and only the PS3 does 5.1,none of the other streamers can do 5.1 yet,and there are VERY few movies available on streaming at netflix,and really never new ones.

if I watch a movie on sunday night and then mail it on monday morning,I get my next movie on wednesday,pretty dam fast IMO.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:57 pm

You mean none of the Blu-Ray players do 5.1?

If so, I’ve been thinking of getting a new game machine, PS3 it is.

All I have is 720 Hi-Def anyway.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:24 am

RoundEye wrote:You mean none of the Blu-Ray players do 5.1?

If so, I’ve been thinking of getting a new game machine, PS3 it is.

All I have is 720 Hi-Def anyway.

Yes, if the players have the ability to reproduce the sound then you will get 5.1, that includes some TV's now that are internet ready. As for 720 Hi Def, you are really missing out on TRUE Hi-Def in 1080. Don't waste your money right now on a new gaming machine..the new Wii's will be out before anything else and they will be several times more powerful and reproduce HD with all the works...so I'd wait.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:47 am

Sava700 wrote:Yes, if the players have the ability to reproduce the sound then you will get 5.1,

I disagree,just because a brp can play great sound from a disc doesn't mean it can up convert a 2 ch input from netflix streaming,most of the streamers are only getting 2 channel input !the ONLY streamer doing 5.1 is the PS3,

show me a blu-ray player that will take 2 ch from netflix streaming and make it real 5.1 or 7.1,it needs at least a 5.1 input to do anything good !

sure my avr can take a 2 ch input and make it sound pretty good,but a blu-ray player ?

not from streaming,the technology is just not there yet.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:50 am

RoundEye wrote:You mean none of the Blu-Ray players do 5.1?

not that I have seen(not from online streaming),only the PS3 at the present time for streaming,just get the "one-at-a-time" blu-ray account and get a descent player and you will love it.

there are some good discussions here http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/fo ... y.php?f=44 & http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/fo ... y.php?f=21

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/index.php

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:26 am

I only use it for streaming, seems to have no problem running over fios and the networks at work. I can't be bothered sending disks back and forth.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:50 am

Dan wrote:I disagree,just because a brp can play great sound from a disc doesn't mean it can up convert a 2 ch input from netflix streaming,most of the streamers are only getting 2 channel input !the ONLY streamer doing 5.1 is the PS3,

show me a blu-ray player that will take 2 ch from netflix streaming and make it real 5.1 or 7.1,it needs at least a 5.1 input to do anything good !

sure my avr can take a 2 ch input and make it sound pretty good,but a blu-ray player ? not from streaming,the technology is just not there yet.

The Roku has 5.1, the Xbox 360 has 5.1...... I'm thinking you are just remembering the updates a year ago that pushed all this out and with PS3 being the first but all these other products and many more have followed suit with firmware updates and software releases to take up the slack. I hooked up a roku on my moms TV and it has a selection for 5.1 although her TV won't reproduce it..needs the HDMI to go through a receiver with the setup in place..thats all. The Wii and the 360 also had disks required as did the PS3 but the updates fixed all that about several months ago as it only required a free download..the option is there ya just need the processing equipment as in the receiver and speakers to make it happen.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industr ... by-digital

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:55 am

After looking around for a new player I think I may have just found my newest Blu-Ray player to replace my current sony and get rid of my Wii finally!! The player had to have Digital Optical Audio out or I couldn't use it.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_158BDPS780 ... ailed_info

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:09 am

Sava700 wrote:The Roku has 5.1, the Xbox 360 has 5.1...... I'm thinking you are just remembering the updates a year ago that pushed all this out and with PS3 being the first but all these other products and many more have followed suit with firmware updates and software releases to take up the slack. I hooked up a roku on my moms TV and it has a selection for 5.1 although her TV won't reproduce it..needs the HDMI to go through a receiver with the setup in place..thats all. The Wii and the 360 also had disks required as did the PS3 but the updates fixed all that about several months ago as it only required a free download..the option is there ya just need the processing equipment as in the receiver and speakers to make it happen.

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industr ... by-digital

thanks

that link just says what I said "a lot of devices CAN stream 5.1 (like apple TV) they just don't do it from netflix.
"
netflix is the topic here right ?

and the part I was disagreeing with anyway was what you said about the brp streaming.
like I said,show me a brp that streams netflix in 5.1/7.1

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:39 am

I love Netflix! I have a DVD in the mail every two days.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:43 am

Debbie wrote:I love Netflix! I have a DVD in the mail every two days.

This seems like your kind of flick.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Fart_ ... id=2361637

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:44 am

Dan wrote:thanks that link just says what I said "a lot of devices CAN stream 5.1 (like apple TV) they just don't do it from netflix.
"
netflix is the topic here right ?

and the part I was disagreeing with anyway was what you said about the brp streaming.
like I said,show me a brp that streams netflix in 5.1/7.1

Gotta be a few new or newer ones out there that do or at least will have firmware to make it so, the article was from the start of this year so I'm assuming more has been done since then as alot was done around that time. Just in the last few weeks netflix added a option for more bandwidth control which I bet has to do with audio too.

Biggest issue I have right now is not so much with Netflix but movie industry clamping down on them too hard or the ISP's adding caps when it hurts everything to do with the idea.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:29 pm

I only use the streaming service, but I would honestly pay $80 a month for Netflix. Tons of TV shows (including all the Star Trek TV series, or newer stuff like Pawn Stars, etc.), a good selection of movies. I now only watch one program on cable, and the rest of the time I'm perusing Netflix. Only had a couple of hiccups with streaming, and they were minor. I'm surprised they haven't been charging more all along.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:49 pm

Burke wrote:I only use the streaming service, but I would honestly pay $80 a month for Netflix.

Congratulations, you got your wish as they are slowly increasing the price:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 18422.html

Many people, including myself, are not happy with the price increase.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:19 pm

The price would've gone up eventually, anyway. A service that uses, what, 20% or more of total U.S. bandwidth during peak hours and mails out thousands upon thousands (maybe millions?) of discs daily is expensive to run.

Shinobi wrote:Congratulations, you got your wish as they are slowly increasing the price:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 18422.html

Many people, including myself, are not happy with the price increase.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:01 pm

Burke wrote:The price would've gone up eventually, anyway. A service that uses, what, 20% or more of total U.S. bandwidth during peak hours and mails out thousands upon thousands (maybe millions?) of discs daily is expensive to run.

Yeah but the streaming titles suck. Takes forever to get new ones. I, for one, am pissed. Also, the pricing is based upon their contracts expiring and their licensing fees going sky high.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:58 am

Shinobi wrote:Congratulations, you got your wish as they are slowly increasing the price:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 18422.html

Many people, including myself, are not happy with the price increase.

you're right,
I just looked at my account,and my plan "unlimited streaming one dvd at a time w blu-ray" will go up to $17.98,but "no streaming one dvd at a time w blu-ray" will actually go down to $9.99,streaming was not that important to me,so the $9.99 a mo it will be ! I will be fine without the streaming.
.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:54 am

Eh My price doesn't change so I'll keep it for now. I been paying 7.99 all along for streaming only.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:49 am

People are really raising hell about the price change...doesn't seem right at all!! The crap just went up $1 in December... so WTF!!

I'm paying $17.98 for 2Disks at a time and Unlimited Streaming for the month... with this new change which is basically Netflix bending people over, my Fee will go up $5 MORE a month and that's in less than 9 months since their last price hike!!! Do they really think they won't piss so many customers off doing this that they won't lose their butts!!? Best thing here is to lower it a little like by half, and let those already on these unlimited plays STAY on them at the cost they currently play considering it hasn't even been a year since the last price increase.

First, we are launching new DVD only plans. These plans offer our lowest prices ever for unlimited DVDs – only $7.99 a month for our 1 DVD out at-a-time plan and $11.99 a month for our 2 DVDs out at-a-time plan. By offering our lowest prices ever, we hope to provide great value to our current and future DVDs by mail members. New members can sign up for these plans by going to DVD.netflix.com.

Second, we are separating unlimited DVDs by mail and unlimited streaming into separate plans to better reflect the costs of each and to give our members a choice: a streaming only plan, a DVD only plan or the option to subscribe to both. With this change, we will no longer offer a plan that includes both unlimited streaming and DVDs by mail.

So for instance, our current $9.99 a month membership for unlimited streaming and unlimited DVDs will be split into 2 distinct plans:

Plan 1: Unlimited Streaming (no DVDs) for $7.99 a month
Plan 2: Unlimited DVDs, 1 out at-a-time (no streaming), for $7.99 a month.

The price for getting both of these plans will be $15.98 a month ($7.99 + $7.99). For new members, these changes are effective immediately; for existing members, the new pricing will start for charges on or after September 1, 2011.

http://blog.netflix.com/2011/07/netflix ... s-and.html

Netflix's decision to raise the prices of its streaming video-DVD mail order rental combos by 60 percent has started a massive net protest against the company. The original announcement of the price changes on Netflix's blog site has resulted in (so far) over 5,000 comments, with the majority of them expressing their disappointment in this move. Many of the commentators have said they will be canceling their Netflix subscriptions altogether.

Netflix's decision to basically split up the streaming and DVD mail order rental price plans and force subscribers to purchase two full price plans if they want to continue to have both has caused many of its customers to write posts like this one from an anonymous commentator: "Give me both options for a reasonable price or I'm out. How about a discount if you want both plans? 10 to 12 dollars a month for BOTH streaming and dvds. You actually think that people are going to pay more in a financial crisis? What is going on here! I thought Netflix cared about there (sic) customers." The official Facebook web page for Netflix is much the same. Over 25,000 comments have been posted about the pricing changes and the majority of the commentators clearly don't care for it.

Dave Zatz, the founder of the popular consumer electronic site Zatz Not Funny, has also announced he will be canceling his Netflix subscription due to limited use of the streaming video service and the price hike. However he adds, "I imagine for heavy users of the service and/or those with interest in online streaming only ($7.99/mo), Netflix will remain valuable." A poll at the Hacking Netflix web site currently states that over 33 percent of the respondents say they plan to quit Netflix altogether as a result of the price hike.

http://www.neowin.net/news/netflixs-sub ... et-protest

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:57 am

Blame the movie studios Sava. Netflix has to make this move in order to offset the inrease in costs that is coming as a result of contracts expiring.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:10 am

Interesting read....

http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-bus ... Content.10

Thanks to Hollywood, Netflix Is Pricing Itself Out of a Business

Want to watch streaming video and still get an occasional DVD? If you use Netflix (NFLX), prepare to see your bill jump by 60 percent. The company just dropped that bomb today, couching it in as a move to “better reflect the costs of each” and “give our members a choice” of streaming only, DVD only, or both.

OK, so the combination streaming and one-DVD-at-a-time plan technically was a way to get both. Or you could pay just for streaming or just for DVDs. But this isn’t about you. It’s about the studios and a big problem about to drop on Netflix’s head. The Hollywood studios who own the video rights want more money. A lot more money.

That means Netflix has to pull in a lot more to pay higher licensing fees. The only question is, will the company alienate its customers and push them into the arms of such rivals as Hulu and Apple (AAPL)?

Studios like money — lots of it

Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Securities, thinks that as soon as Netflix’s streaming contracts are up in the next few years, studios will renegotiate for a lot more money. How much more? Maybe ten times as much as they get today. And the future for Netflix is streaming, which explains why the FAQ section describes Netflix as a service for online video with the DVD service described as an add-on. (Wait, what happened to a choice of DVD or streaming?)

Pachter’s estimate may or may not be accurat. But if you’ve spent any time watching how the studios negotiate with producers, actors, writers, theaters, online video companies or anyone else, you can see a pattern of hardball negotiation. When they have the upper hand, they push to get more.

Another crazy thing here is if Netflix pushed streaming only with EVERY title available then the ISP's would win cause you would almost certainly start hitting caps every month - I know I would!!! I'd drop sat TV in a heart beat if the quality was a little higher on the streams and everything was available cause I can pick up the locals over antenna and I can watch my ESPN games on ESPN3 streaming (if that too was HD quality)

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:14 pm

Playing Devil's Advocate

http://techland.time.com/2011/07/13/why ... hpt=hp_bn7

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:03 pm

My take on this is netflix should scrap the entire (disk) thing, invest the money from shipping saved to content.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:29 pm

Most folks haven't a clue on profit margins. In this industry it's all about volume. When one entity in the chain has a price increase it is going to trickle down. In television it's programming fees that can get out of hand but the customer only sees the cable bill. I use Netflix for both services and I'm not doing back flips over the increase but am surprised the pricing lasted this long.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:48 pm

Lefty wrote:My take on this is netflix should scrap the entire (disk) thing, invest the money from shipping saved to content.

Then the customers have to fight the ISP's whom have bandwidth caps in place..many of which were put in place a few years ago. A years time can make a big difference in bandwidth needs and the needs of content by streaming... it spurs innovation but in this case you either suffer quality of streaming cause you have a crazy cap or you just can't do as much.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:51 am

Interesting read but it confirms just what I said about issues that are keeping people from going to streaming only even if all the content was available!!

Netflix is changing the way it prices its services - and the move means customers will have to pay more for the privilege of getting both DVDs and video streams from the online rental company.

But why the price hike?

In part, because the company miscalculated how many people still want to receive DVDs by mail each month, a more expensive service to provide compared to its streamed Internet videos.

Netflix has been trying to lure subscribers away from its DVDs by offering cheaper plans that include movies and TV episodes delivered over its Internet streaming service. In November, it began offering a streaming-only plan for $8, its cheapest option at the time. Yet Netflix customers aren't flocking to Internet video as quickly as some analysts said the company expected.

Many consumers are unwilling to give up the trademark red envelopes. DVDs feature newer titles and the latest theatrical releases that aren't available through the company's streaming service.

So the company is adjusting its pricing to reflect the cost of its DVD business and to help bring in more money to cover growing expenses for streaming content. Under the new plan, customers who want to rent DVDs by mail and watch video on the Internet will need to pay at least $16 per month.

Netflix had been bundling both options in a single package for as low as $10 per month. But that bundled plan "neither makes great financial sense nor satisfies people who just want DVDs," wrote Jessie Becker, Netflix Inc.'s vice president of marketing, on a company blog Tuesday.

The price hike serves multiple purposes, analysts say. It will likely push more people into the streaming service, which will help Netflix to lower its postal expenses.

At the same time, the company needs additional revenue to build up its streaming service. In the first three months of this year, Netflix spent $192 million on streaming rights after putting $406 million into the library last year. Licensing costs are expected to jump to $1.3 billion to $1.4 billion next year, said Arash Amel, research director for digital media at IHS Screen Digest.

"Netflix is under enormous pressures from the content owners to write bigger and bigger checks," Amel said. "It had to find the money from somewhere."

Still, the increased pricing has alienated customers. Amel, of IHS Screen Digest, said Netflix had tarnished its brand image by surprising customers with the pricing change. But he said consumers should expect Netflix to push them toward Internet streaming going forward.

"Netflix's future is not in the DVDs," he said. "Netflix's future is in the business of premium pay television delivered over the Internet."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162- ... Content.11

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:41 pm

Roody wrote:Blame the movie studios Sava. Netflix has to make this move in order to offset the inrease in costs that is coming as a result of contracts expiring.

Thats exactly right. I'm baffled by how many people are blaming this on NetFlix.

Unfortunately, NetFlix is doing what they have to do in order to protect their profit margins as best they can despite getting raped by Hollywood. The NetFlix price increase is reciprocal of their overhead increase brought on by Hollywood's new licensing contract.

The movie studios were, at first, skeptical of the movie "streaming" market and so they gave NetFlix a good deal in the beginning. Now that Hollywood sees that streaming video is not just a fad and NetFlix' licensing contract is up for renewal, they want to leech as much revenue from the streaming market as they can, particularly to make up for a continued decline in DVD sales.

It's typical "middle-man" market takeover at it's finest. Expect to see a lot more of this as streaming technology continues to develop and popularize. As the general public wants more and more streaming content, Hollywood, ISP's, and TV networks are all going to want a bigger slice of the pie on it's way out of the oven and onto your plate.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:49 pm

weve used netflix for a while, first for 7.99 a month, then it went up, then it went up again once we switched to blueray. so now we are paying like 10 dollars a month.

We use streaming a lot, but the dvd thing kinda sucks. It seems like whenever we want a new movie, it takes forever because it is listed as "very long wait". rather than paying almost double for the same service we have now, we are dropping the dvd service, just using the streaming, and picking up a Redbox movie a few times a month. At least that way we get new movies sooner and when we want them, with just the minor additional inconvenience of picking up and dropping it off at our local grocery store. But also because i feel like they are raping the consumer, just like the cable company and blockbuster did before them. I understand profit margins and everything but if they piss off their customers, they are just going to end up going the way of blockbuster once something comparable comes out.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:10 am

Did they really think profits would keep going up as they were?? They are going to lose money off of me when they do this change in a few months...

Netflix Inc.'s recently announced and much-reviled price increase will bring weaker third-quarter financial results than Wall Street had expected, contributing to a 10% drop in the company's stock in after-hours trading Monday.

Revenue in the three months ended June 30 was $789 million, just slightly below the consensus estimate from analysts of $791.5 million.

However, the company's predicted results for the current quarter were a significant disappointment. Netflix said it would generate between $799.5 million and $828.5 million in revenue, lower than the $846.5 million consensus. Earnings per share are expected to be between 72 cents and $1.07; Wall Street had forecasted $1.09.

In a letter to investors, Netflix Chief Executive Reed Hastings and Chief Financial Officer David Wells said slow growth in the current quarter would be driven by the price increase that sparked outrage among some users.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta ... dance.html

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:01 am

Sava700 wrote:Did they really think profits would keep going up as they were??

According to the article they figured that would happen.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:02 am

Slightly off topic but has to do with streaming stuff:

Fox has come out and said after Aug 15th it will limit what you can view as for its shows unless you have Dish Network and other cable/sat co's at a later time. Sounds to me that Fox is just the beginning of those that wish to limit access online as we have now started to hit brick walls for those that wish to move away from TV to the internet only.

The days of watching an episode of your favorite TV show online the day after the episode is shown on television may be coming to an end. The Fox TV network has announced this week that starting on August 15, most people will have to wait eight days before watching a previously broadcast TV episode online like Glee, Fringe, House, Family Guy and others on outlets such as Hulu Plus. The one exception, at least at the moment, are people who subscribe to the Dish Network satellite TV service. They will be able to use their Dish Network username and password to watch Fox episodes the day after they are shown as usual. Fox says that more cable and satellite outlets will also provide the same service that Dish Network will have on August 15.

So why is Fox changing the rules for watching its episodes online all of a sudden? According to the Wall Street Journal, Fox is worried that more and more people are choosing to watch episodes online first rather than watching them in front of their television sets. Fox TV executive Mike Hopkins admits, "We understand that there may be consumers that are unhappy." However he adds that putting up an 8 day viewing barrier might allow Fox to add even more content from its TV network online in the future. The article says that other TV networks such as ABC and CBS are thinking about delaying the official online release of new TV episodes of its shows as well.

http://www.neowin.net/news/fox-to-limit ... -august-15

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:52 am

Well that's it.. I'm dropping Netflix streaming as Feb 28th 2012!!!!

http://starz.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1069

"Starz Entertainment has ended contract renewal negotiations with Netflix. When the agreement expires on February 28, 2012, Starz will cease to distribute its content on the Netflix streaming platform. This decision is a result of our strategy to protect the premium nature of our brand by preserving the appropriate pricing and packaging of our exclusive and highly valuable content. With our current studio rights and growing original programming presence, the network is in an excellent position to evaluate new opportunities and expand its overall business."

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:35 am

well I am not really interested in streaming anymore,the streaming quality totally sucks compared to a brd ,for $10 a mo for "one at a time" brd is great with me, I am fine with nf for $10.
it seems silly to me that people buy good hd tv sets and then watch crappy streaming on them !
I am actually happy with the new nf changes,
my "one at a time" brd service went down $3 a month.

Post by **Philip** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:23 am

You can't deny the convenience of streaming... However, I have dropped the one-at-a-time DVD for $8, and I may also be dropping the streaming service if their availability is reduced further by this Starz problem.

Seems like Netflix had a good thing going until now, they just made two steps back in my book. I do realize that it is partially Hollywood's fault, however it doesn't seem like Netflix is losing money either - they will be losing subs IMHO.