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Well here we go, $3/gallon by Xmas and nothing is being done to prevent it when we all know fuel prices are what drive business to expand and hire when they don't have to fork over these expensive amounts for it. Normally you see a drop during the winter months in regular gasoline to only slide back up a little in the summer. A back and forth motion that doesn't really change all that much. Now we didn't see it drop at all so far this winter and no dropping in the summer. The blame is on Crude prices but wtf?!?? Everytime I research it they say we have a major stock pile and so does OPEC.

I truly feel if they want to fix the economy then something needs to be done about energy prices.
Barring a steep drop in crude prices, U.S. motorists can expect to see gas prices exceeding $3 per gallon, if they are not seeing such prices already, according to a new survey of filling stations.

The latest Lundberg Survey of cities in the continental United States was conducted Friday. It showed the national average price for a gallon of self-serve unleaded gasoline at $2.91, an increase of 3.9 cents from the last survey two weeks earlier, survey publisher Trilby Lundberg said.

"It is once again crude oil at work," Lundberg said. A resurgence in crude prices resulted in the price per barrel increasing nearly $8 per barrel. At $89 per barrel, crude is at a 25-month high.
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You're right. They're starting to put a pinch on the Easto family. We're currently paying $3.19 and it doesn't look like the price is going down either.
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Dude.

$3.40 here average.

Bitch elsewhere :)
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It's funny what people will believe. We've been over this a million damn times and each time big oil gives it's reasoning...ya'll believe it as the truth. If gas was at $.89 a gallon, they'd jack up the price to $1.09...and then $1.18. Nobody would question it. But you can be sure...they would raise prices just in time for the Holidays. They always have. We hear all the same lame excuses...cost of refining, cost of delivery, hurricanes, etc. NONE of that matters. What matters is the futures contracts that are bidded on up at Wall Street. These guys falsely create "demand" where it doesn't exist. Ever hear of the Enron loophole? Google it. Bottom line is this...the legal term is speculation. The crooks up on Wall Street "speculate" on futures contracts thus driving the price in any direction they want. Teh data that is used as a basis for their "speculation" comes from FANTASYLAND.

You can rest assured...if you have money to spend, you WILL spend some of it on oil/gas.
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JawZ wrote:It's funny what people will believe. We've been over this a million damn times and each time big oil gives it's reasoning...ya'll believe it as the truth. If gas was at $.89 a gallon, they'd jack up the price to $1.09...and then $1.18. Nobody would question it. But you can be sure...they would raise prices just in time for the Holidays. They always have. We hear all the same lame excuses...cost of refining, cost of delivery, hurricanes, etc. NONE of that matters. What matters is the futures contracts that are bidded on up at Wall Street. These guys falsely create "demand" where it doesn't exist. Ever hear of the Enron loophole? Google it. Bottom line is this...the legal term is speculation. The crooks up on Wall Street "speculate" on futures contracts thus driving the price in any direction they want. Teh data that is used as a basis for their "speculation" comes from FANTASYLAND.

You can rest assured...if you have money to spend, you WILL spend some of it on oil/gas.

I've been telling people that also and it seems to fall on deaf ears. There is no other reason outside of speculation and greed.
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AAA says gas prices are at a two-year high here in Virginia.

The state-wide average right now is $2.88 a gallon. That's up more than 30 cents from this time last year, when the price was at $2.54 a gallon.

AAA says never before have motorists paid $3.00 a gallon at Christmas-time, but that price could be right around the corner.
That was from a local news station... finally they are talking about it but should have been even over $2/gallon..is way too high!
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Gasoline prices have hit a two-year high.

AAA reports the average national price of gas rose last week to $2.98 a gallon, 9 cents higher than a month ago and 39 cents more than a year ago.
a TWO YEAR HIGH!!?!? This is from a link that says ways to help you save but the bottom line here is that if we want the economy to repair itself we must get fuel prices down to reasonable levels which would put it some where between $1 to $1.50/gallon.

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U.S. gas prices increased over a two-week period, but on average stayed below the $3-a-gallon mark.

The latest Lundberg Survey of cities in the continental United States, conducted Friday, showed the national average price for a gallon of self-serve unleaded gasoline at $2.99, an increase of 7.6 cents from the last survey two weeks earlier, survey publisher Trilby Lundberg said.

What had been a steady rise in oil prices retracted slightly, making prices higher, but not as high as they could have been, Lundberg said.

Compared with a year ago, drivers are paying quite a premium at the pump, she said. A year ago, a gallon of gas costed 39 cents less than it does today.

"That's certainly a pinch to consumers," Lundberg said.

Crude oil prices will continue to be the biggest indicator of gas prices because other factors that affect price, such as supply, have been non-factors. There is no shortage of supply of gas in the United States.
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Better than in Iran, their gas price jumped up 60% overngiht.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:Better than in Iran, their gas price jumped up 60% overngiht.

lol what was it before? 5cents/liter?
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About 40ish cents, now up to 70 cents.
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/23/news/ec ... htm?hpt=C1

Amazing.. the prices are well over $2/gallon for the longest time, way higher than they should be but it takes it to get near or hit $3/gallon before the news jumps all over it. This should be the #1 topic when your talking about economic recovery!! People are already cutting back that I know on xmas gifts cause of the higher prices so that should say something.
Gas prices crossed the milestone $3 mark Thursday for the first time since Oct. 17, 2008, as the national average compiled by motorist group AAA reached $3.013 a gallon.

Prices have risen more than 4% from $2.872 a month ago and are nearly 16% higher than the $2.585 average a year ago, according to the AAA figures.
The cost of gasoline has been climbing steadily since bottoming out at $1.616 in December 2008. However, the average price is down $1.101 -- or 26.7% -- from the record high of $4.114 reported on July 17, 2008.

"On a national average, we've never had Christmas Day with gasoline at three dollars or higher," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst with Oil Price Information Service, an energy trade publication based in Wall, N.J.
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This is California! we will always lead the nation in gas prices...when you complain about gas at 3 dollars a gallon, I say I've been paying that for the last few years! you complained about gas prices at 4 dollars a gallon...well, gas prices hit 4 dollars a gallon way before it did for most other areas! The other day, I was in a pinch and paid 3.25 a gallon, when I got home I saw prices at 3.10 a gallon
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CiscoKid wrote:This is California! we will always lead the nation in gas prices...when you complain about gas at 3 dollars a gallon, I say I've been paying that for the last few years! you complained about gas prices at 4 dollars a gallon...well, gas prices hit 4 dollars a gallon way before it did for most other areas! The other day, I was in a pinch and paid 3.25 a gallon, when I got home I saw prices at 3.10 a gallon
I don't speak for really one location, I'm just posting what the "National Average" is.... so while you may pay the most and I certainly feel for you, I would imagin that the price is based on your area's inflation or economic amounts... for example around here the average salary for a married couple may be 50k where in cali it might be 80k.. ya get the idea.
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Well here we go!!!
The former president of Shell Oil, John Hofmeister, says Americans could be paying $5 for a gallon of gasoline by 2012.
"I'm predicting actually the worst outcome over the next two years which takes us to 2012 with higher gasoline prices," he said.
Gasoline prices have been steadily rising. Last week, gas prices crossed the $3 mark for the first time since October 2008. According to AAA figures, prices are up 4% from a month ago and 16% from the $2.585 average a year ago.

A study from the Oil Price Information Service estimates drivers will spend $305 on gasoline in December. According to the study, fuel prices are up 13.6% from last December and 76% higher from December 2008.

Gas prices eased off last week's gains but still remained around the $90-a-barrel mark, settling at $91-a-barrel. Prices were down 51 cents from Thursday's close after China unexpectedly raised interest rates over the holiday weekend for the second time in two months.

Oil prices settled above $90 a barrel for the first time since October of 2008.
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I heard on the radio this morning that $5.00 a gallon will be just around the corner. starting after Jan 1st.
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Far-N-Wide wrote:I heard on the radio this morning that $5.00 a gallon will be just around the corner. starting after Jan 1st.

You can bet if it climbs over 3.50/gallon we will go back into the recession if not worse than before!! There is no way businesses that depend on getting around can afford this type of increase over 2/gallon let alone over 3. Better be prepared for the auto makers to start asking for more bailout money again.
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Gas always goes up in the winter.....nothing new. I depend on it for business travel, I stuff my Jeeps tank usually at least twice per week.
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YeOldeStonecat wrote:Gas always goes up in the winter.....nothing new. I depend on it for business travel, I stuff my Jeeps tank usually at least twice per week.

It's never been this high during the winter/holiday.
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Gas will probably keep going up until it’s no longer competitive. Soon as it cost just as much to drive as it does fly most places, it’ll probably freeze for quite a while.
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RoundEye wrote:Gas will probably keep going up until it’s no longer competitive. Soon as it cost just as much to drive as it does fly most places, it’ll probably freeze for quite a while.

lol damn that would push it well over $5/gallon if it costs as much to drive as it does to fly now!

But I mean really.. its serious stuff here, the news coverage is just now getting really into it again when they should have been pushing public pressure since it was still over $2/gallon
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Word has it, that by Memorial day, oil will be $150 per barrel. They say a 1 in 4 chance anyhow. If so, that's well over $4.00 a gallon.
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Sava700 wrote:It's never been this high during the winter/holiday.

Were you asleep like Rip Van Winkle during 2008?????
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Supposedly there are 500 more oil rigs working this year than last.
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YeOldeStonecat wrote:Were you asleep like Rip Van Winkle during 2008?????

I know the prices spiked in 2008 but I said "Winter/Holiday" season... the news coverage said we have never had a xmas with it this high before.
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In predicting $5 a gallon gas, Hofmeister cites not only increased oil demand from Asia, but Obama administration clampdowns on offshore drilling.

He also says there's little Americans can do to cut their own demand, since many drive to work.

"We're right back to where we were in 2007 and 2008, in terms of U.S. demand," Hofmeister told "Early Show" co-anchor Rebecca Jarvis Wednesday. "What's different this time, however, is that Asia's demand is much, much higher than two years ago. And the world is having a very difficult time getting past 85 million barrels-a-day of (crude oil) production.

"In the U.S., we use 20 million barrels a day. We produce about seven. We're not drilling. We're going to produce about six a year, year-and-a-half from now. That means we have to import more oil, while the whole rest of the world is also importing oil. It's going to put tremendous upside pressure on the crude oil price, which is the only way to tamp down demand. It's very worrying for consumers and, really, for the American economy to think we would go back to such high prices."

Hofmeister calls it a "disgrace" that officials here didn't see this coming.

"Back in 2007 and 2008," he told Jarvis, "I testified (before Congress), when I was still part of Shell, that we needed to resume oil production in this country, back to previous historic levels of about 10 million barrels a day. We were at seven at the time. We have done nothing in the last two, two-and-a-half years to try to increase the domestic production back to where we were in the 1970s at 10 million barrels a day. That would have a tremendous impact not just on worldwide, but on U.S. affordability of oil.

"But instead of producing more oil, what are we doing? We're producing less. There is a (drilling) shutdown in the Gulf (of Mexico) and the secretary of the interior has postponed the next (oil drill tract) five-year leasing plan to 2017. So, we're not doing very well on producing our own oil."

And the demand side, he adds, offers little relief. "Unfortunately," he observed, "for some people, they have no choice but to cut back because they just don't have the deposable income to purchase gas at those high prices. Unfortunately, also, high gas prices -- or high crude oil prices tends to increase unemployment, because companies can't afford to stay in business.

"It's really a disgrace that the world's largest economy (that of the U.S) hasn't figured out over these last years that we would resume demand and need more oil."
The part I put in bold is what is happening now.. something has to be done on a home front to produce more to get prices back down.

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Sava700 wrote:The part I put in bold is what is happening now.. something has to be done on a home front to produce more to get prices back down.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/ ... ?tag=stack

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"It's really a disgrace that the world's largest economy (that of the U.S) hasn't figured out over these last years that we would resume demand and need more oil."
It's part of the planned destruction of the world economy. They've got it all figured out and they are moving at lightspeed to accomplish their goals.
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Sava700 wrote:I know the prices spiked in 2008 but I said "Winter/Holiday" season... the news coverage said we have never had a xmas with it this high before.

The news may have said that...but I'd say it's within 25 cents of where it was going into the 2008 spike. For 2008 prices kept going up as we went into the winter season that began 2008..Jan, Feb..prices kept climbing. We will see the same pattern here..prices will keep climbing. Jan and Feb are still winter for us up north. Thus I've already seen them higher for the "winter" part of "winter/holiday".

We're about to start 2011...generally things are more expensive than they were years ago, I won't be shocked that it will be higher than it was in 2008.
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Bull vs. Bear: How high will oil go in 2011?Posted by Nin-Hai Tseng, writer-reporterDecember 28, 2010 5:00 am

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The already fragile economic recovery would be vulnerable to rising oil prices. Where will the price of a barrel go in 2011? Analysts argue both sides.

For most of December, prices for crude oil traded at two-year highs on improving equities markets, a weakening US
Dollar and record demand from China. Prices pushed above $90 per barrel on December 7 and reached $91.51 on December 22 – a marked jump from their levels near $70 a barrel in September.
The development is significant. Some economists believe that if prices rise much more, especially past $100, it will likely dampen America's already slow economic recovery. As the price of crude rises, so does the price of gasoline, and a higher price at the pump will hurt consumer spending overall.
So where will oil go in 2011? Will it surpass the psychologically significant $100 mark at a time when demand for oil from most emerging economies is expected to rise? Or will it retreat as China tries to rein in growth amid worries over inflation?
Here's a look at the bull and bear arguments for the black gold next year.
Bull: The other side of $100

A growing number of traders and analysts think prices for crude oil will stay relatively high – with some predicting it could top $100 a barrel sometime next year.
A few factors will probably support prices in 2011, according to analysts at JPMorgan Chase (JPM) and Bank of America Merrill Lynch (BAC). The banks forecast that prices could climb past $100 a barrel next year as central bankers pump cash to help accelerate economic growth.
The U.S. Federal Reserve's recent decision to inject up to $600 billion into the economy through a bond-purchasing program is expected to weaken the U.S. Dollar. The greenback has historically influenced the price of oil and other commodities, including gold and base metals that are mostly priced in the currency. So when the value of the dollar falls typically in tandem with interest rates, that tends to push up the price of commodities, including oil, as investor search for higher returns.
Indeed, the dollar has generally been weakening for some time. It's anyone's guess how the value of the greenback might fair next year, especially as the ongoing debt crisis in parts of Europe has put the value of the euro relative to the dollar on a very volatile ride.
Needless to say, growth in emerging markets might also help prices next year -- helping reduce stockpiles of crude oil.
Though forecasts at UBS do not predict prices surging anywhere past $100 a barrel, the bank nevertheless characterizes its prediction as "bullish," forecasting that prices could hover around $80 a barrel next year.
Analysts there say non-OPEC countries and Russia have for years slowed production of crude and supply appears "anemic." With limited supply and stronger demand coming mostly from emerging economies, prices are poised to stay relatively strong. UBS forecasts demand growing at 1.7% in 2011 as the outlook for the global economy improves.
With the Fed showing no signs of slowing its bond-purchasing program -- at least not yet -- and growing demand from emerging economies, it seems plausible that oil prices will climb higher.
Bear: A brief jump explained
But not everyone is so bullish. Despite talk that crude could shoot as high as $100 a barrel, Phillip Verleger of PKVerleger LLC, a Colorado-based economic consulting firm on energy and commodities, doesn't buy the hype.
Verleger forecasts that prices could fall as low as around $75 a barrel in 2011 and says the recent spike in crude above $90 can be explained more by isolated and unforeseen factors than pure laws of consumer demand and supply.
For one, the East Coast in particular felt prices surge after a refinery in Canada's Nova Scotia area, which produces much of the region's supply, was shut down this fall, which helped reduce supply at a time when demand for heating oil rose.
What's more, demand for oil surged in China as authorized.


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If prices don't stop rising and don't start dropping, our current economic tight rope we walk will get smaller and smaller. We as a country just have to do something to control it if that means we need to drill everywhere we can. The auto makers are just now starting to show profits and hire again, that adds small business jobs around these auto makers and their suppliers.. a trickle down effect that could have horrible repercussions if something isn't done and done NOW!
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Sava700 wrote:lol damn that would push it well over $5/gallon if it costs as much to drive as it does to fly now!

But I mean really.. its serious stuff here, the news coverage is just now getting really into it again when they should have been pushing public pressure since it was still over $2/gallon
It’s almost that much now. Do you think it’s cheaper to buy a plane ticket or pay for gas to get from here to California?

I tend to agree with you about the economics aspect though. If it cost more to fill up the trucks to get product to the store, the higher in price that product is going to get to the end consumer. That leaves the average family with less money to spend.
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Oil hits 26-month high to end 2010 up 15 percent
December 31, 2010 3:52 PM ET
By By Robert Gibbons and Selam Gebrekidan

HOUSTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices hit a 26-month high over $92 a barrel on Friday, closing the year up 15 percent on expectations that the economic recovery will drive demand growth next year and send prices into triple digits.

Strong growth from Asia, especially China, and a rebound in demand from recovering economies elsewhere fueled a four-month rally that knocked crude over the $70-$80 range it held for much of the year.

U.S. crude oil futures surged to a 2010 high on Friday, settling up $1.54 a barrel at $91.38 a barrel, after touching $92.06, the highest level since October 7, 2008. The settlement marked the largest end-year price since 2007.

London Brent gained $1.66 to settle at $94.75 a barrel, its highest end-December settlement since 2007 and up nearly 22 percent on the year.

Global output jumped 2.2 million barrels per day (bpd), according to a Reuters poll, the biggest increase since 2004, and another healthy 1.5 million bpd gain is forecast for next year.

While many experts say oil could break $100 a barrel in the new year, they don't expect a surge to levels near $150 seen in 2008, when crude first broke into triple digits.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries would step in to cool off markets if they headed into territory that could endanger the global economic recovery, analysts

said.

"At some point, I would expect OPEC to increase production, whether through an extra cargo here or there to cash in on high prices or whether by a more concerted effort to calm people down," said Tim Evans, analyst for Citi Futures Perspective.

Recent gains in the dollar could also help cap oil's momentum by increasing the cost of dollar-denominated currencies for holders of other currencies.

U.S. crude averaged $79.61 a barrel for the year, second only to 2008's record $99.75. Crude shot to a high of $147 a barrel in July of that year, before the global recession hit demand and sent prices below $33.

Cold weather in the United States and Europe and OPEC's decision to keep production levels steady earlier this month have added to bullish sentiment this month. Analysts are watching to see how much of the recent rally has been caused by seasonal weather demand and how much has been driven by more structural consumption

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Speculators betting the economic recovery will boost demand have poured into oil markets, with net long positions held by money managers in U.S. oil futures hitting fresh records in December.

U.S. crude rallied back from early losses on Friday in light holiday trade of about 275,000 contracts -- about half the level seen over the past 30 days -- bouncing off lows near $89 a barrel.

"We're seeing exaggerated price swings because of low volume of trade but there is technical support around $89 a barrel and the rally will continue to march into next year," said Gene McGillian, analyst for Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut.
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Drivers may be bracing for more pain at the pump in 2011 as gas prices continue to head higher.

The price for a gallon of gas has risen 3% over the past 12 days and last week, prices crossed the $3 mark for the first time since October 2008. At $3.073 a gallon, gas prices are still 25% below their peak of $4.114 set in July 2008.
And the effects are starting to hit the airlines....
Consumers may also feel the squeeze when it comes to booking a flight.

Airlines are beginning to raise ticket prices, citing higher fuel costs among other factors. Several airlines have already increased one-way ticket prices by $10 in the last week.

"If you think about the hundreds of thousands of gallons that we run through every single day, a penny here and there adds up very quickly," said American Airlines spokesperson Ed Martelle.

JetBlue has also hiked fares but says it's not just fuel driven.

"In select markets we've matched the $10 one-way fare increase filed by other airlines. This is not a fuel surcharge but rather an increase in fares," said JetBlue spokesperson Bryan Baldwin. "We generally consider a number of factors when making pricing decisions, including the competitive landscape, underlying demand as well as fuel costs."

Delta, United, Continental, and U.S. Airways have also increased their fares to match rising costs.

"In general, airlines want to have a fare structure in a market that is similar to and competitive with other airlines that fly in the same market. So if one or more airlines don't match a fare increase, often times the airline(s) that initiated the increase will rescind it," Baldwin said.

Southwest Airlines has no current plans to raise fares but is keeping a close watch on oil prices, said Southwest spokesperson Marilee McInnis.

"Our goal is to have low fares and give our customers the freedom to fly. We are watching the price of oil very closely but don't plan to match the fare hikes," she said
http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/30/markets ... s&hpt=Sbin
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This is far more then just greed. This is part of our corrupt government deciding what they want for the people. Now that our government owns part of the auto industry and the industry wants to go electric the government needs to get the gas prices high enough to push the people towards electric. They are already installing charging stations in my area. I have a 2007 Corolla and it was rated at 41 MPG. I have actually gotten 49.3 MPG. However in 2008 Toyota changed the engine and added weight to the new cars and now they are rated at 26/35. This is all part of the plan to change what and how we drive. Expect more of this government take over.
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It's definitely speculation instead of just demand. The spikes come and go, in a few months it'll be back down. There are always experts saying gas will never go back under $3, etc.
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Actually, our speculators are a little upset at OPEC. OPEC said they see $100 a barrel as a fair price, so it's going to be tough to speculate past that.
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Sava700 wrote:If prices don't stop rising and don't start dropping, our current economic tight rope we walk will get smaller and smaller. We as a country just have to do something to control it if that means we need to drill everywhere we can. The auto makers are just now starting to show profits and hire again, that adds small business jobs around these auto makers and their suppliers.. a trickle down effect that could have horrible repercussions if something isn't done and done NOW!

What are you holding your breath for?

Oil/gas is a huge commodity that makes a lot of people wealthy.

Prices will not go down, economics 100.

You can bitch but that does nothing.

Oil companies are are out to make money. They will not back down.
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Gerald285 wrote:This is far more then just greed. This is part of our corrupt government deciding what they want for the people. Now that our government owns part of the auto industry and the industry wants to go electric the government needs to get the gas prices high enough to push the people towards electric. They are already installing charging stations in my area. I have a 2007 Corolla and it was rated at 41 MPG. I have actually gotten 49.3 MPG. However in 2008 Toyota changed the engine and added weight to the new cars and now they are rated at 26/35. This is all part of the plan to change what and how we drive. Expect more of this government take over.

Don't forget about the change to the rating system. On the newer rating system the 2007 Corolla gets 26/35 as well, on the old system it was 30/38.
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