Do you believe Obama is a Muslim?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:48 am

Despite all the evidence to the contrary, do you believe he's a Muslim? Why?

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:09 am

Easto · Post by **Easto** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:31 am

Who cares?

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:32 am

Then again, where does it say what religion you have to be to be POTUS?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:35 am

Was Muslim? Yes. IS Muslim? No.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:41 am

JBrazen wrote:Was Muslim? Yes. IS Muslim? No.

When was he a Muslim?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:46 am

Easto wrote:Who cares?

The latest research, and this is also a trending Digg subject, shows that 1 in every 5 Americans believes that Obama is a Muslim. We have roughly 300 million Americans in the US.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/article ... umors.html

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:23 am

1 in 5 Americans clearly are stupid.

akbarri · Post by **akbarri** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:01 pm

Barack Obama has never been Muslim.
His stepfather(Lolo Soetoro) mixed Islam/Muslim with Hindu and Animist traditions

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/3/baracksfaith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama > Religion: Christianity

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:12 pm

the evidence is clear........he is not.......

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RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:00 pm

Roody wrote:1 in 5 Americans clearly are stupid.

I must be stoopid, I thought he was but I don't hate the man.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:12 pm

The man is clearly a Christian.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:22 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:The man is clearly a Christian.

OK, what makes it so clear to you?

JC · Post by JC » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:56 pm

Roody wrote:1 in 5 Americans clearly are stupid.

It's more than 1 in 5.... just look at the people who voted for him.

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:37 pm

The folks that voted for him are not stupid, they were just "snookered"

JC wrote:It's more than 1 in 5.... just look at the people who voted for him.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:47 pm

I can't say that he is or isn't definatively. He shows Muslim tendencies, but that alone, doesn't make him so. I have zero proof that he's a Christian, so I have to lean toward Muslim.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:01 pm

JawZ wrote:When was he a Muslim?

His father was Muslim, so according to Islam, he was Muslim at birth regardless of whether or not he practiced the faith as he grew older. At some point he decided to follow the Christian faith which is what he says he is today. I tend believe that he's now Christian, but according to Islamic law, he's currently an apostate, so he'd better watch his back!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:50 pm

RoundEye wrote:I must be stoopid, I thought he was but I don't hate the man.

Well crap that remark backfired on me. You know I don't think you are stupid bro. How you feeling btw?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:50 pm

cybotron r_9 wrote:The folks that voted for him are not stupid, they were just "snookered"

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:13 pm

JBrazen wrote:His father was Muslim, so according to Islam, he was Muslim at birth regardless of whether or not he practiced the faith as he grew older. At some point he decided to follow the Christian faith which is what he says he is today. I tend believe that he's now Christian, but according to Islamic law, he's currently an apostate, so he'd better watch his back!

Even if the mother wasn't a Muslim and the father was not a practicing Muslim, that makes the son a Muslim? Under Christian law, what would Obama be considered?

This all comes back to the imprecatory prayer issue. If a Muslim were to kill Obama for apostasy, would Conservatives call for justice...even open war against all of Islam?

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:29 pm

JawZ wrote:Even if the mother wasn't a Muslim and the father was not a practicing Muslim, that makes the son a Muslim? Under Christian law, what would Obama be considered?

This all comes back to the imprecatory prayer issue. If a Muslim were to kill Obama for apostasy, would Conservatives call for justice...even open war against all of Islam?

Dyin ain't much of a livin boy.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:48 pm

JawZ wrote:Even if the mother wasn't a Muslim and the father was not a practicing Muslim, that makes the son a Muslim? Under Christian law, what would Obama be considered?

This all comes back to the imprecatory prayer issue. If a Muslim were to kill Obama for apostasy, would Conservatives call for justice...even open war against all of Islam?

Yes, if your father is Muslim, you're considered Muslim whether you like it or not and if you decide to reject your birthright, you can be put to death depending on your age. Under Christianity, your faith is not past on by your parents. You have to voluntarily choose to follow the teachings of Christ and there is no earthly penalty for rejecting Him.

Should Obama be assassinated because of his decision to reject Islam I would assume that Conservatives would call for justice. You'd have to be a pretty vile in despicable individual to want Obama dead, regardless of how much he may suck as POTUS. Now the target? Depends on whom directed the hit which would be known fairly quick since they would be proud of what they did and would want the world to know.

Miggs · Post by **Miggs** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:53 pm

I can't say for a fact that he is a muslim or not but I can say for a fact that he sat in reverand Wright's church for twenty some odd years, that makes his something, right.

chimdogger · Post by **chimdogger** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:13 pm

JBrazen wrote:... Under Christianity, your faith is not past on by your parents. You have to voluntarily choose to follow the teachings of Christ and there is no earthly penalty for rejecting Him....

Actually, I don't necessarily agree with this statement. If you are baptized as a baby, you aren't voluntarily choosing the teachings of Christ. Your parents just choose your religion for you. Now, of course you can believe whatever religion you want when you get older.

The earthly penalty is determined by your family's tolerance for another religion. Which is pretty much aligned with most civilized religious families...

chimdogger · Post by **chimdogger** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:17 pm

Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist or Atheist. As long as he gets the job as president done, who the f*** cares. If he makes bad decisions based on his religious beliefs, then fire him. We have seen when presidents base their decisions on religion (or talking to God) and the outcome of those decisions....

Easto · Post by **Easto** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:40 pm

JawZ wrote:The latest research, and this is also a trending Digg subject, shows that 1 in every 5 Americans believes that Obama is a Muslim. We have roughly 300 million Americans in the US.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/article ... umors.html

Again... Who Cares? I don't really care what religion he or anyone else is as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat. I can only speak for myself and not the ohter 300 million.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:04 pm

chimdogger wrote:Actually, I don't necessarily agree with this statement. If you are baptized as a baby, you aren't voluntarily choosing the teachings of Christ. Your parents just choose your religion for you. Now, of course you can believe whatever religion you want when you get older.

The earthly penalty is determined by your family's tolerance for another religion. Which is pretty much aligned with most civilized religious families...

You have a point, but the difference is that the Catholic parent/s must still choose to baptize the baby to initiate them into the religions, whereas a baby just needs to be born to a Muslim father and is considered Muslim for life. Oh, and the possibilities of you being killed by a family member for rejecting Catholicism isn't something you need to worry about, unlike with Islam.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:22 pm

Easto wrote:Again... Who Cares? I don't really care what religion he or anyone else is as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat. I can only speak for myself and not the ohter 300 million.

1/5 of the American population cares...so much so that they reject logic. Obama is a Christian yet 1/5 of America rejects him as such. Why?

Of course this all ties into the debate of the mosque in NYC.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:57 am

RoundEye wrote:OK, what makes it so clear to you?

As far as I am concerned, if the man says he is Christian then that is good enough for me. But if you need more: Then what about the Christian Church he's been going to for almost 20 years?

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:14 am

JBrazen wrote:His father was Muslim, so according to Islam, he was Muslim at birth regardless of whether or not he practiced the faith as he grew older. At some point he decided to follow the Christian faith which is what he says he is today. I tend believe that he's now Christian, but according to Islamic law, he's currently an apostate, so he'd better watch his back!

"so according to Islam"

Unless you are a Muslim then "according to Islam" is not applicable.

But technically speaking everyone is born an atheist.

PsykoPenguin · Post by **PsykoPenguin** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:45 am

He is clearly a Penguinist, all the signs are there.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:24 am

jeremyboycool wrote:

But technically speaking everyone is born an atheist.

No way that can possibly be proven. In fact I would strongly disagree with that. Never seen one example where it's been proven that a newly born baby rejected God the way adults who are atheists have.

Easto · Post by **Easto** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:04 am

PsykoPenguin wrote:He is clearly a Penguinist, all the signs are there.

I think you're onto something there!

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:55 am

Roody wrote:No way that can possibly be proven. In fact I would strongly disagree with that. Never seen one example where it's been proven that a newly born baby rejected God the way adults who are atheists have.

"Never seen one example where it's been proven that a newly born baby rejected God the way adults who are atheists have."

I never said anything about rejecting God. Atheism is the disbelief or the absence of belief in gods. They don't believe for the same reason they don't believe in planes, ducks, golf, ice-cream, etc. They simply have not be introduced to the idea of gods and even if they were, it's too complex of an idea for a new born mind to accept.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:30 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:
"Never seen one example where it's been proven that a newly born baby rejected God the way adults who are atheists have."

I never said anything about rejecting God. Atheism is the disbelief or the absence of belief in gods. They don't believe for the same reason they don't believe in planes, ducks, golf, ice-cream, etc. They simply have not be introduced to the idea of gods and even if they were, it's too complex of an idea for a new born mind to accept.

That still does nothing to support your claim that we are all born as atheists. There is a big difference between understanding a complex issue and disbelieving in it. Babies don't comprehend things, that doesn't make them atheists.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:38 pm

Roody wrote:That still does nothing to support your claim that we are all born as atheists. There is a big difference between understanding a complex issue and disbelieving in it. Babies don't comprehend things, that doesn't make them atheists.

"Babies don't comprehend things, that doesn't make them atheists."

If you can't understand it, then how can you believe in it?

Besides, what about the other part of my post; that they have not been introduced to the idea of gods yet?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:57 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:
"Babies don't comprehend things, that doesn't make them atheists."

If you can't understand it, then how can you believe in it?

Besides, what about the other part of my post; that they have not been introduced to the idea of gods yet?

If you don't understand it how can you know to disbelieve in it? It can go both ways Jeremy. Facts are you stated that we are all born atheists, but you can't prove that. Ultimately that's your opinion and that's fine you feel that way, but it can't be proved.

As for the other part it's like anything. They will learn as they are taught. Not knowing something doesn't make them a disbeliever. Ultimately, we can agree to disagree on the issue. I just wanted to speak up and state that I disagree that not understanding something makes one an atheist. Especially in the case of a baby.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:14 pm

Roody wrote:If you don't understand it how can you know to disbelieve in it? It can go both ways Jeremy. Facts are you stated that we are all born atheists, but you can't prove that. Ultimately that's your opinion and that's fine you feel that way, but it can't be proved.

As for the other part it's like anything. They will learn as they are taught. Not knowing something doesn't make them a disbeliever. Ultimately, we can agree to disagree on the issue. I just wanted to speak up and state that I disagree that not understanding something makes one an atheist. Especially in the case of a baby.

Absence of belief? Is it that you are completely ignoring that part?

Why do you think they call me an atheist, Roody? It is not because I reject your god, it because I hold no belief in your god. I mean technically speaking you are an atheist as well. Do you believe in; Set the Egyptian God, Odin the the Norse god, or Dionysus the Greek god?

But that is fine Roody, I was just trying to demonstrate a point to JBrazen.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:25 pm

To me there is only one true God and I don't reject him.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:26 pm

Roody wrote:Babies don't comprehend things, that doesn't make them atheists.

By definition I think it does.

I'm foggy on most religious issues but if an absence of belief makes one an atheist...a baby would be a textbook example.

There's a big difference between disbelieving and the unawareness of belief.

I assume most religious parents would take objection with this, assuming that if they're religious so is their child. Beats me, but what jbc said makes sense.