Children forced into cell-like school seclusion rooms

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:50 pm

Holy ****. You would actually put a child in a room like this with no supervision...not to mention special-needs children.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/17/seclus ... index.html

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:54 pm

Thats ****ed up.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:19 pm

What should be more frightening is that your lovely National Education Association UNION is who asked for seclusion rooms to begin with. And it's all paid for with your tax dollars!!!!!

This is why I urge all taxpayers to go to school board meetings....to find out how their money is being spent. Cells in schools are no accidents.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:39 pm

While the NEA imho, needs overhauled, I find it hard to believe that they didn't also want some serious help with the matter. I'd love to read more on that one.

What a sad story. We just start to pull away from the 30's and 40's abuses (actually it's never ended from recorded history anyway) and then roll right back into them when it comes to challenges our handicap kids bring to us.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:47 pm

downhill wrote:While the NEA imho, needs overhauled, I find it hard to believe that they didn't also want some serious help with the matter. I'd love to read more on that one.

What a sad story. We just start to pull away from the 30's and 40's abuses (actually it's never ended from recorded history anyway) and then roll right back into them when it comes to challenges our handicap kids bring to us.

Would you like to start reading directly from the NEA itself on their use of time out rooms?

http://www.nea.org/neatoday/0802/violentbehavior.html

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:09 pm

Yep, that's exactly what I wanted to read. Thanks for the link. In the case above and several cited, there was no supervision and sometimes that timeout went for hours.

Time Out

Purpose: A time-out may be used to aid a student to compose him or herself. It shall not be used for staff convenience or student punishment.

Duration: A timeout room may be used only so long as is necessary for the student to compose him or herself. If the student's behavior remains dangerous after 30 minutes, we recommend that continued use must be authorized by the principal or his or her designee, unless otherwise indicated in the IEP, district policy or state law.

Observation: A student in a timeout room shall be appropriately monitored

Looks to me that it was the school systems that are failing in this case and not so much the NEA. Again, I think the NEA needs overhauled. I just don't think they need to be blamed on a society that puts more value on their SUV's than they do their kids.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:23 pm

downhill wrote:Yep, that's exactly what I wanted to read. Thanks for the link. In the case above and several cited, there was no supervision and sometimes that timeout went for hours.

Looks to me that it was the school systems that are failing in this case and not so much the NEA. Again, I think the NEA needs overhauled. I just don't think they need to be blamed on a society that puts more value on their SUV's than they do their kids.

It goes much deeper DH.

Time out rooms have been part of their Safe Schools program.....for all children.

http://www.nea.org/schoolsafety/images/ssmanual.pdf

You can see here how one local NEA unit even went so far to say that sensory deprivation was too strong a term although useful in their district wide policy of neutralization.

Keep in mind, these aren't speical needs children.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... i_n8785175

From October 2008

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/article ... 4de95e.txt

From October 2008 again...

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Oct ... ews022.asp

opmharley · Post by **opmharley** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:39 am

the hell if id ever let my kids be put in that.its a school not a prison.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:40 am

That's modern psychiatry at work for you!

time-out = psychiatrese for "we really don't understand squat about the human mind or the human condition and our solution is to remove you from the present environment so that the others who are here are not bothered by you"

While "a change of environment" IS a valid therapy and does help IF needed, the new environment must be such that it de-intensifies one's negative state of mind and stimulates one's positive state of mind.

Time-outs today have taken the form of punishment, and punishment has never in the history of mankind cured anything nor has it done any good at all EXCEPT sometimes make the environment safer for the rest of us....UNTIL the punishment ends and the punished are returned to continue their maliciousness, which they inevitably WILL do. Even the reincarnated unreformed return to us to wreak havac again and again.