So what do ya'll think of the new Slipknot?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:53 pm

New masks and all....

Psychosocial

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I dunno, I've always liked them and this is no exception....love the solos in the songs now.

Release date is August 26th. I pre-ordered on iTunes to get the bonus stuff.

I would love to see a co-headline Metallica/Slipknot tour.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:58 pm

killer! definitely kick ass and then some more ass kicking

Thx!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:05 pm

I thought it was a slow and kinda boring format of Before I forget.

Whats next a spoken word album from them?

Solo was nice though.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:30 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:I thought it was a slow and kinda boring format of Before I forget.

Whats next a spoken word album from them?

Solo was nice though.

Like Duality and Before I forget, those are groove oriented.....I prefer songs like Wait & Bleed but I dig where they at least changeup and give you a chance to get into a solid beat.

Is it really that much different from Left Behind?

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But still....for me, the essence of the band is captured in the song Purity.

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Mad_Haggis · Post by **Mad_Haggis** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:53 pm

Cool. Better than power rock? Is power rock like top gun?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:41 pm

I didnt really care for the IOWA cd either, at least what I heard.

Mad_Haggis · Post by **Mad_Haggis** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:02 pm

I heard there's a new "Metallica"(c) sound comming out in septembre.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:07 pm

Mad_Haggis wrote:I heard there's a new "Metallica"(c) sound comming out in septembre.

this is a true statement. Sep 12th.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:52 am

I've been too busy listening to Cavalera Conspiracy, man that record rules my head. Looking forward to checking out the new 'knot record though.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:45 am

I thought they were going to start leaving behind their masks... I'm not hearing anything special in the first video up there, but I do like some of their stuff.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:54 am

I think that's what a persons voice should sound like when they have excessive phlegm in their throat. I hate growling. No offense to fans of that stuff, but anyone can growl.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:04 am

Roody wrote:I think that's what a persons voice should sound like when they have excessive phlegm in their throat. I hate growling. No offense to fans of that stuff, but anyone can growl.

Not a big fan of the growling at all. The lead singer has a pretty good voice and sounded pretty good in Stone Sour. Never understood the masks either.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:29 am

Roody wrote:I think that's what a persons voice should sound like when they have excessive phlegm in their throat. I hate growling. No offense to fans of that stuff, but anyone can growl.

So when can I be your manager and make us millions?

Not anyone can do it....so let's just leave it that you don't like it.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:47 pm

I don't like Coreys new mask, liked the old one much better

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:55 pm

Blisster wrote:I don't like Coreys new mask, liked the old one much better

Which one os Corey? I really haven't paid much attention to Slipknot since I got the Disasterpieces DVD.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:38 pm

lead vocals

Set · Post by **Set** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:25 pm

Will Be seeing them live sat the 9th =)

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:12 pm

UOD wrote:ya'll

Ahem...*NC from 4 months to 18 years-old*

Y'all

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:16 pm

UOD wrote:So when can I be your manager and make us millions?

Not anyone can do it....so let's just leave it that you don't like it.

Anyone can in fact growl so yes my comment is accurate. Not everyone though can play their instruments like they can and I would be one of them. That said I could easily growl my way through that song so I'm ready when you are.

All that said sorry you appear to have taken offense to my comments. Just making an observation about their singing ability or in this case lack thereof.

Of course there is music I like that you probably wouldn't like yourself so it's all just a viewpoint.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:17 pm

Roody wrote:Anyone can in fact growl so yes my comment is accurate. Not everyone though can play their instruments like they can. That said I could easily growl my way through that song so I'm ready when you are.

Anyone can growl just like anyone can sing. Some are much better at them than others.

Its harder than you think to be good at it.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:20 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Anyone can growl just like anyone can sing. Some are much better at them than others.

Its harder than you think to be good at it.

Actually no it's not harder then I think.

You seem to miss my point about the difference between growling and singing. The register used in a persons voice makes growling easier to do effectively then singing on key does. Big difference in my experience. Again though just because I don't like it when people perform that way doesn't mean I think bands that do that are totally useless. It's just not a style I find impressive and I stated that.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:31 pm

Roody wrote:Actually no it's not harder then I think.

You seem to miss my point about the difference between growling and singing. The register used in a persons voice makes growling easier to do effectively then singing on key does. Big difference in my experience. Again though just because I don't like it when people perform that way doesn't mean I think bands that do that are totally useless. It's just not a style I find impressive and I stated that.

Interesting. Seeing as how some people have a natural gift for singing, you could say its not hard at all then.

They put different strains on the voice. And you can tire out quickly from growling during a live performance.

The "register" doesn't make it easier for a person to be more dynamic with his/her voice and change it up.

I have to dissagree with you saying its easier than singing.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:33 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Interesting. Seeing as how some people have a natural gift for singing, you could say its not hard at all then.

They put different strains on the voice. And you can tire out quickly from growling during a live performance.

The "register" doesn't make it easier for a person to be more dynamic with his/her voice and change it up.

I have to dissagree with you saying its easier than singing.

I don't disagree that their voice can tire quicker when growling. That was never my argument. I simply stated that you can growl and make it sound better even if you aren't a good singer then you can find a bad singer who can carry a good tune.

All that said it's just my own viewpoint.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:47 pm

well its a moot point, as Corey Taylor has a very distinctive "growl" as you put it, but also happens to be a very good singer and also has a very distinctive/recognizable melodic singing voice/style.

I challenge you to find someone who "growls" (or 'roars' as I put it) halfway as good as Max Cavalerra (Sepultura, NAILBOMB, Soul Fly, Cavallera Consipracy) who can also produce recordings to the level he does, and do it consistently for 18 years, typically touring and playing 150-200 gigs a year for the bulk of those.
So perhaps its not pleasing to your ear, but please don't belittle the abilities of some just because their style doesnt suit you.

oh, and hi!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:48 pm

Roody wrote:I don't disagree that their voice can tire quicker when growling. That was never my argument. I simply stated that you can growl and make it sound better even if you aren't a good singer then you can find a bad singer who can carry a good tune.

All that said it's just my own viewpoint.

LOL your using a bad singer as a base so duh.

You also don't define wahts better? better than he sings? more passable for the music?

I bet you can find more golfers that walk better than cripples too.

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:13 am

I was into metal / hard rock for a few years when I was younger but I've been way out of touch. I only know the name Slipknot because of that song from the other year that played all the time on the radio. The last CD from this genre that I purchased was Korn's first album, if that tells you anything about the time period I'm comparing to. I'm also a big Primus fan as well as White Zombie and Pantera.

Anyways.. so from outside the genre, peeking in, and reminiscing over my days of thrashing around in the mosh pits as a skinny-white-long-haired-punk.. I find these guys to be kinda average.

That first video sounded ok, second video kinda sucked, but that last live video was the best of the 3 IMHO (the drummer sounds badass live).

The lead dude has a great voice, don't get me wrong, but for me it kinda sounds too smooth and nice for the hard edge vibe that the songs try to deliver. He kinda goes back and forth from "kick your ass hardness" to "teenage alternative rock" and for me, having been out of the genre for awhile, it just doesn't mix quite right for me.

Having said that, if I was given a free ticket, I do believe I would probably enjoy their live show.

oh.. and I'm not quite sure what to make of the masks. Then again, I wasn't sure what to make of Marilyn Manson when I saw him down in Ft. Lauderdale years ago come out onto the stage on stilts lookin' scary as ****.

I suppose thats just how they roll these days.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:08 am

whew some of you guys are taking my comments way out of context. The thread was started about Slipknot. Last I checked I had the right to voice my opinion on something. I merely stated that I don't like them because I think growling isn't very difficult to do. Several of you seemed to take it personal as if I somehow personally insulted you. It was my opinion guys. I know they are a band you guys like, but lighten up a little.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:09 am

Nobody took it personally, they just disagree with your stance that "anybody can growl". They're allowed to state that here (it's quite relevant). Don't take it so personally.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:12 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:LOL your using a bad singer as a base so duh.

You also don't define wahts better? better than he sings? more passable for the music?

I bet you can find more golfers that walk better than cripples too.

Dude you keep missing my point. What I am telling you is imo it's easier to carry a tune by growling then it is by singing. That's all I was stating. I know you guys like the band, but lighten up a little.

Do you guys know how many times I have made a statement on here and then been asked to expand on it? With that in mind I made a comment and then expanded on it and for that you guys seem to be getting all bent out of shape. I didn't personally insult any of you guys. Shoot, I didn't even say Corey from Slipknot sucks. I simply said I don't like growlers.

My advice guys is to relax.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:15 am

stevebakh wrote:Nobody took it personally, they just disagree with your stance that "anybody can growl". They're allowed to state that here (it's quite relevant). Don't take it so personally.

Yes they are and the fact they disagree with me isn't the issue. What's the issue is they are getting upset because I voiced my opinion. I didn't get upset with them because they think he is a good growler. It was the other way around. I can guarantee you 100% I am not upset at them at all about liking his growl or anything about it. I just didn't know why they were jumping all over me because I said I didn't like it or think it took that much ability to do.

You would have thought by their remarks that I had shot their mom. In fact I did not.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:31 am

Roody wrote:Yes they are and the fact they disagree with me isn't the issue. What's the issue is they are getting upset because I voiced my opinion. I didn't get upset with them because they think he is a good growler. It was the other way around. I can guarantee you 100% I am not upset at them at all about liking his growl or anything about it. I just didn't know why they were jumping all over me because I said I didn't like it or think it took that much ability to do.

You would have thought by their remarks that I had shot their mom. In fact I did not.

I don't see it - I just see a whole bunch of people stating that they disagree with you.

I have to say, I'm one of them. Truth be told, I'm put off by a lot of metal, purely because of their vocals. I rarely enjoy the growling. It depends on the sound, on the music too. But I still know full well that not just anybody can do it. Not just anybody can pull off what they do. Just because you dislike it and think there's nothing special to it - that anyone can do it, doesn't make it true.

tao_jones · Post by **tao_jones** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:10 am

Blisster wrote:well its a moot point, as Corey Taylor has a very distinctive "growl" as you put it, but also happens to be a very good singer and also has a very distinctive/recognizable melodic singing voice/style.

I challenge you to find someone who "growls" (or 'roars' as I put it) halfway as good as Max Cavalerra (Sepultura, NAILBOMB, Soul Fly, Cavallera Consipracy) who can also produce recordings to the level he does, and do it consistently for 18 years, typically touring and playing 150-200 gigs a year for the bulk of those.
So perhaps its not pleasing to your ear, but please don't belittle the abilities of some just because their style doesnt suit you.

oh, and hi!

Not much on all the growly vocals but when Sepultura/Soul Fly break out the brazilian instruments it kicks ass.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:19 am

stevebakh wrote:I don't see it - I just see a whole bunch of people stating that they disagree with you.

I have to say, I'm one of them. Truth be told, I'm put off by a lot of metal, purely because of their vocals. I rarely enjoy the growling. It depends on the sound, on the music too. But I still know full well that not just anybody can do it. Not just anybody can pull off what they do. Just because you dislike it and think there's nothing special to it - that anyone can do it, doesn't make it true.

Agree to disagree I suppose. Never seen a person who couldn't growl even if it was just for a very short period of time.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:48 am

Roody wrote:Agree to disagree I suppose. Never seen a person who couldn't growl even if it was just for a very short period of time.

Like I said earlier, if you can growl, then I need to get you recorded because I can't growl for crap. I wish I could.

We are all saying that you can dislike any band for any reason....we just don't agree with your stance that anybody can growl because it's really...just one of those things you are born with, either you can do it, or you can't.

Best example of growl talent coupled with a good singing voice is the band Opeth. His voice is just a natural gift.

Here is a video which is live which shows his natural talking voice and his melodic singing voice.

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Now the following video has both growls and melodic mixed together.

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Opeth is one of the few metal bands that releases entire albums with no hard/heavy stuff.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:31 am

Oh I can growl and make it sound decent. Problem is it's brutal on a person's throat. I can respect the fact that Corey can do it for long periods of time, but then that was never my argument if you will in the first place.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:43 am

The singer from Kataklysm has a good growl and scream.

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Can you sing like this dude Roody?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:48 am

Roody wrote:Dude you keep missing my point. What I am telling you is imo it's easier to carry a tune by growling then it is by singing. That's all I was stating. I know you guys like the band, but lighten up a little.

Do you guys know how many times I have made a statement on here and then been asked to expand on it? With that in mind I made a comment and then expanded on it and for that you guys seem to be getting all bent out of shape. I didn't personally insult any of you guys. Shoot, I didn't even say Corey from Slipknot sucks. I simply said I don't like growlers.

My advice guys is to relax.

I'm not missing your point, and it has nothing to do with the band, talking about the growling in music in general.

No one asked you to expand on your statement, no one is getting bent out of shape either, I looked the thread over and it seems pretty civil to me.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:48 am

UOD wrote:The singer from Kataklysm has a good growl and scream.

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Can you sing like this dude Roody?

Now that guy growls in a way that I can't. Corey from Slipknot seems alot easier to replicate, but the guy in the YouTube above I can't say that I can match that.

With that in mind my apologies if I demeaned anyones views on this stuff.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:49 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:I'm not missing your point, and it has nothing to do with the band, talking about the growling in music in general.

No one asked you to expand on your statement, no one is getting bent out of shape either, I looked the thread over and it seems pretty civil to me.

Fair enough.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:56 am

tao_jones wrote:Not much on all the growly vocals but when Sepultura/Soul Fly break out the brazilian instruments it kicks ass.

just saw Max and the Cavallera COnspiracy the othert night in SF. Awesome show, played TONS of old Sepultura, no Soul Fly though, since their about to tour I suppose.