The Davinci Code has got the weirdos mobilized

WhoNut · Post by **WhoNut** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:40 pm

The wife got a call tonight from an action group, and the spiel started like this - "Mrs. Jacobs, did you know that this weekend millions of people will be watching a movie that claims the Lord Jesus didn't die for our sins."

She didn't stick around for any more, as his voice and tone suggested an intelligence level somewhere near the jellyfish strata; no fun debating a plant, after all.

Where in the heck do people like this come from, and why'd they call us? It's a work of fiction, for ****'s sake.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:43 pm

The movie looks pretty good btw..i read the book...should be pretty interesting

yeah guess people are going a bit stir crazy...cant believe you actually got a call.

Do they really think with all the promotions they going to be able to stop it?

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:54 pm

I think I'll go find a local sunday school class and talk about it non-stop.

Can't wait to see this film!

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:07 pm

Anything that upsets religious wackos is good in my book.

Has anyone seen Richard Dawkins latest video, Root Of All Evil? Very entertaining, especially the wackos who believe the world is less than 10,000 years old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPaD%206D54L4o

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:23 am

[quote="WhoNut"]The wife got a call tonight from an action group, and the spiel started like this - "Mrs. Jacobs, did you know that this weekend millions of people will be watching a movie that claims the Lord Jesus didn't die for our sins."

She didn't stick around for any more, as his voice and tone suggested an intelligence level somewhere near the jellyfish strata]

I woulda verbally torn him new one

triniwasp · Post by **triniwasp** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:28 am

I hate Jesus freaks!!!! (except Spammy

) Don't those fuc%^rs have anything better to do.... Like help people in need!!

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:11 am

WhoNut wrote: Where in the heck do people like this come from, and why'd they call us? It's a work of fiction, for ****'s sake.

They wanna work up the ire of the Fundies. Whipem into a frenzie and hittem up for some bucks to help the message get spread.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:39 pm

They want to ban the film now in Philippine

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic ... rss&rpc=22

Talk about going overboard...it just a movie..dont go see it if dont like it

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:42 pm

Jesus still loves you guys, Even trini

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:44 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:They want to ban the film now in Philippine

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic ... rss&rpc=22

Talk about going overboard...it just a movie..dont go see it if dont like it

Correct me if I'm wrong but Phillipine is predominantly Catholic, and not like me but very hardcore into Catholicism. I could see that from them.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:48 pm

Lefty wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but Phillipine is predominantly Catholic, and not like me but very hardcore into Catholicism. I could see that from them.

I think you are right beats me but Govt can do what it wants...i just think all this hooplah for a book of fiction is silly

here are the cardinals going nuts

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic ... NewsNews-2

i read the book and it was not anti catholic..it was just a fictional conspiracy theory and i love this quote from the cardinals

but most laymen did not have enough religious knowledge to separate fact from fiction.

tells you what they think of average person lol

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:50 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:I think you are right beats me but Govt can do what it wants...i just think all this hooplah for a book of fiction is silly

here are the cardinals going nuts

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsartic ... NewsNews-2

i read the book and it was not anti catholic..it was just a fictional conspiracy theory

I agree Gh is it weird all the hype this is getting. We even had a full sunday service about this. Like a movie is going to defer my faith in Christ. Please.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:56 pm

Spammy wrote:I agree Gh is it weird all the hype this is getting. We even had a full sunday service about this. Like a movie is going to defer my faith in Christ. Please.

Well, the Vatican is so worried about it they're throwing fits trying to get 'The Word' out that it's nonsense...funny thing is they can't prove with 100% certainty what they're selling is the truth either ...hence "faith"

Both are books.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:57 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how folks scream freedom of speech until it has to do with fundamental Christians. It's O.K. to sympathize with a convicted terrorist for losing his right to speak, but those dog gone Christians!

It's just another one of the "conspiricy/what if type of movies that really capture the imagination of people. I find them very entertaining even if I don't believe a bit of it.

3 people shot Kennedy
We didn't land on the moon
Jesus had a wife
area 51
etc...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:00 pm

bigmo66 wrote:It never ceases to amaze me how folks scream freedom of speech until it has to do with fundamental Christians. It's O.K. to sympathize with a convicted terrorist for losing his right to speak, but those dog gone Christians!

Good one!

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:03 pm

I don't think they are saying that they should not be able to say it, just that they think it is ridiculous

Just because I think that it is ridiculous to say Yanni is a great musician, does nopt mean I think he should be jailed for his music (allright bad example, he should be jailed

)

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:05 pm

De Plano wrote:I don't think they are saying that they should not be able to say it, just that they think it is ridiculous

Just because I think that it is ridiculous to say Yanni is a great musician, does nopt mean I think he should be jailed for his music (allright bad example, he should be jailed )

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:14 pm

De Plano wrote:I don't think they are saying that they should not be able to say it, just that they think it is ridiculous

Just because I think that it is ridiculous to say Yanni is a great musician, does nopt mean I think he should be jailed for his music (allright bad example, he should be jailed )

I understand, but the following statement is just plain harsh

"I hate Jesus freaks!!!! (except Spammy ) Don't those fuc%^rs have anything better to do.... Like help people in need!!"

These "Jesus Freaks" are doing what they feel is the right thing to do. To say they should be helping people is ignorant as Christian based organizations volunteer their time & services every day of the year around the entire globe. I send a monthly check to the local rescue mission instead of my church due to some disagreements and I see my funds helping out.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:17 pm

BigMo, I figured by now you'd learn to ignore such ignorance LOL

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:21 pm

Prey521 wrote:BigMo, I figured by now you'd learn to ignore such ignorance LOL

Some subjects just can't be ignored. Just making a point that some of us will not be swayed regardless of how ignorant we are

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:22 pm

bigmo66 wrote:Some subjects just can't be ignored. Just making a point that some of us will not be swayed regardless of how ignorant we are

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:23 pm

maybe there is something to this book/movie.... hmmm me thinks he doth protest too much!

i found my spoon

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:26 pm

Bastid wrote:maybe there is something to this book/movie.... hmmm me thinks he doth protest too much!

i found my spoon

Ahahahaha

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:28 pm

Bastid wrote:maybe there is something to this book/movie.... hmmm me thinks he doth protest too much!

i found my spoon

troublemaker

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:31 pm

Izzo wrote:troublemaker

me? nooooooooo just stating stuff...facts or other... its all stuff

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:41 pm

Catholism, like any other theist based religion, is based on very shaky ground. The Bible and biblical events survived contradictory evidence (from science, historians, etc.) because believers, along with the mainstream, propped it up while it was reinvented. I remember a history teacher telling me that whether or not people believe Jesus was the Son of God, he did exist. People like him serve to perpetuate a myth that's not corroborated by historical fact.

Maybe I haven't been clear, but facts have (thus far) been unable to defeat ancient myth in the eyes of believers. What has the potential to be more effective than fact, is fiction, and that's why the church fears the Da Vinci Code…they know the power of fiction, they’ve used it very effectively.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:51 pm

jz82 wrote:Catholism, like any other theist based religion, is based on very shaky ground. The Bible and biblical events survived contradictory evidence (from science, historians, etc.) because believers, along with the mainstream, propped it up while it was reinvented. I remember a history teacher telling me that whether or not people believe Jesus was the Son of God, he did exist. People like him serve to perpetuate a myth that's not corroborated by historical fact.

Maybe I haven't been clear, but facts have (thus far) been unable to defeat ancient myth in the eyes of believers. What has the potential to be more effective than fact, is fiction, and that's why the church fears the Da Vinci Code…they know the power of fiction, they’ve used it very effectively.

Yes, they've built quite a fortune on it.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:45 pm

bigmo66 wrote:I understand, but the following statement is just plain harsh

"I hate Jesus freaks!!!! (except Spammy ) Don't those fuc%^rs have anything better to do.... Like help people in need!!"

These "Jesus Freaks" are doing what they feel is the right thing to do. To say they should be helping people is ignorant as Christian based organizations volunteer their time & services every day of the year around the entire globe. I send a monthly check to the local rescue mission instead of my church due to some disagreements and I see my funds helping out.

Gotta agree that the statement was over the top, bigmo.

I think that sometimes, some of the guys forget that this board is mixed. It's comprised of pretty much all faiths, and political persuasions. I wish that people would remember that when the comprise a post.

It's not that all Christians don't know this isn't a work of fiction, but some of them would love to make sure that the general population who shun church, are aware of that also.

I think that sometimes, the less faithful in this country, are fearful that their own faith isn't enough to build their church...... More faith and less crying would help.

Also, kudos to you for standing up for your convictions with your wallet.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:47 pm

[quote="jz82"]Catholism, like any other theist based religion, is based on very shaky ground. The Bible and biblical events survived contradictory evidence (from science, historians, etc.) because believers, along with the mainstream, propped it up while it was reinvented. I remember a history teacher telling me that whether or not people believe Jesus was the Son of God, he did exist. People like him serve to perpetuate a myth that's not corroborated by historical fact.

Maybe I haven't been clear, but facts have (thus far) been unable to defeat ancient myth in the eyes of believers. What has the potential to be more effective than fact, is fiction, and that's why the church fears the Da Vinci Code&#8230]

uh oh another conspiracy for you to have fun with...

I am not catholic or christian so it does not bother me either way...but is there anything you do believe?

I repeat again this is just a movie...a MOVIE of Fiction

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:03 pm

Theist religions are the conspiracy theories, there's no proof to support them, hence faith. Every single time science has smacked down religion, apologists simply retreat to the next issue.

I believe it's only a matter of time (although it may take several thousand years) before science is capable of explaining and proving the current unknowns, such as the origins of our universe. While this makes me an agnostic by default, I consider myself an atheist towards all the man made gods, from Ra to Zeus to the Holy Trinity. If there is a God, I'm quite certain it's nothing like we can imagine...who's to say God even has to be a conscious being? I'm also quite certain humans were not created by God and that he does not intervene in our lives.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:06 pm

jz82 wrote:Theist religions are the conspiracy theories, there's no proof to support them, hence faith. Every single time science has smacked down religion, apologists simply retreat to the next issue.

I believe it's only a matter of time (although it may take several thousand years) before science is capable of explaining and proving the current unknowns, such as the origins of our universe. While this makes me an agnostic by default, I consider myself an atheist towards all the man made gods, from Ra to Zeus to the Holy Trinity. If there is a God, I'm quite certain it's nothing like we can imagine...who's to say God even has to be a conscious being? I'm also quite certain humans were not created by God and that he does not intervene in our lives.

Very well said. However, I believe there is a God and I worship and live accordingly.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:09 pm

jz82 wrote:Theist religions are the conspiracy theories, there's no proof to support them, hence faith. Every single time science has smacked down religion, apologists simply retreat to the next issue.

I would love to debate you but i am heading to shul now to pray to Hashem and then from there going to see MI3 with Prey

One little thing though...there have been several Rabbi's who are scientists as well and one famous one was a physicist, it pretty interesting Rabbi who was a physcisit also beleives they dont contradict. That is when I started to beleive myself. He had one of the most amazing insights I ever heard.

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:19 pm

Oh, I know several prominent scientists profess to a belief in "God". Einstein talked about God a lot and religious people jumped on it, but he wasn't referring to a specific God and I suspect this is generally the case.

http://www.gsreport.com/articles/art000068.html

A survey conducted in mid-1998, reported by Edward J. Larson of the University of Georgia in a letter to the journal Nature, indicates that very few senior scientists in the United States profess a belief in God or immortality.

Larson said the survey asked members of the National Academy of Sciences to indicate if they believe, disbelieve or are agnostic regarding the existence of God and immortality. Overall, 93 percent of the scientists either disbelieve or are agnostic on the existence of God (72.2 percent disbelieve), while 92.1 percent disbelieve or are agnostic regarding immortality (76.7 percent disbelieve).

Of those who profess a belief in God, the highest percentage was found among mathematicians (14.3 percent) and the lowest was found among biological scientists (5.5 percent). Among physicists and astronomers, 7.5 percent profess belief in God.

The Bible contradicting science is self evident to me (Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, etc.). Some Christians, such as my father, will stress that the stories are metaphors and it's up to the reader to realize the overall message. They do so because any objective look at these stories reveals them as fiction and there has to be a way to distance the message from the events, otherwise both go down in flames. I strongly disagree with the notion that "the word of God" would be littered with such tales. In this regard, I find the view fundamentalists hold to be more logical (in regards to following their religion), even though scientifically, they're even more wrong.

WhoNut · Post by **WhoNut** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:00 pm

Suffice it to say that I would have had a similar reaction to a phone call begging me to boycott the "Passion of the Christ" movie. No offense intended...

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:16 pm

jz82 wrote:Theist religions are the conspiracy theories, there's no proof to support them, hence faith. Every single time science has smacked down religion, apologists simply retreat to the next issue.

I believe it's only a matter of time (although it may take several thousand years) before science is capable of explaining and proving the current unknowns, such as the origins of our universe. While this makes me an agnostic by default, I consider myself an atheist towards all the man made gods, from Ra to Zeus to the Holy Trinity. If there is a God, I'm quite certain it's nothing like we can imagine...who's to say God even has to be a conscious being? I'm also quite certain humans were not created by God and that he does not intervene in our lives.

I swear I've seen that before...

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:52 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:I would love to debate you but i am heading to shul now to pray to Hashem and then from there going to see MI3 with Prey

Ohhhhh

A date!!!!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:57 pm

jz82 wrote:Theist religions are the conspiracy theories, there's no proof to support them, hence faith.

There is no proof that our Mother's love us either, hence faith!
She could bathe you, kiss you, hug you, feed you, tell you she loves you and detest you! Faith is real and we base it on more than ignorance.

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Wed May 10, 2006 9:17 pm

That's not faith, you'd have reason to believe so stemming from those actions. If you've never seen your mother, yet still believe she loves you, that's faith.

While language usage tends to obscure meanings, faith means to believe in something despite evidence/logic. There are plenty of other words that better fit belief in something factual or known. Do you have faith that 1+1=2? Do you have faith that your parents love you? Do you have faith that Jesus died on a cross for your sins and then rose from the dead?

There's quite a distinction.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed May 10, 2006 9:32 pm

bigmo66 wrote:There is no proof that our Mother's love us either, hence faith!
She could bathe you, kiss you, hug you, feed you, tell you she loves you and detest you! Faith is real and we base it on more than ignorance.

True.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:08 pm

jz82 wrote:... faith means to believe in something despite evidence/logic.

Not neccesarily true and there are plenty of examples. The subject has been beat to death of course and there is no "one" agreement amongst different beliefs and personalities. What I see as tangible evidence may be discounted as malarky by others. Some will simply not believe unless their brains and minds can comprehend and with some of our minds here, that's not saying much