Stanley Tookie Williams

horsemen_ · Post by **horsemen_** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:56 am

Stanley Tookie Williams co-founder of the Crips street gang in Los Angeles over 30 years ago, is facing execution on December 13

alot of people like snoop dog and other black actors are asking/pushing for clemency

he might have changed his ways but that dont change the fact he did the crimes and should be pushinshed.
and he did start one of the biggest gangs in the country

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:04 am

I dunno about this guy.

I wonder if Charles Manson will ever be executed or not. He was a very bad dude and comes from the same state.

Pie

cho · Post by **cho** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:09 am

thepieman wrote:I dunno about this guy.
I wonder if Charles Manson will ever be executed or not. He was a very bad dude and comes from the same state.
Pie

Unlike Manson, Williams now tries to educated youths on gang violance and tries to help them realize they do not want to be part of one.

Manson would try to gather a new family in heart beat...

In terms of slime I'd put Williams a wee bit higher then Manson. Williams will be executed but Manson won't. Whatever the reasons are we'll never really know.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:45 am

*cho* wrote:Unlike Manson, Williams now tries to educated youths on gang violance and tries to help them realize they do not want to be part of one.

Manson would try to gather a new family in heart beat...

In terms of slime I'd put Williams a wee bit higher then Manson. Williams will be executed but Manson won't. Whatever the reasons are we'll never really know.

yeah Manson really slaughtered that Tate girl..I was a kid when it happened but it was awful from what I remember. I can't understand why an animal like that never recieved the Death Penalty.

Pie

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:55 am

I believe that there was no death penalty when Manson was convicted. Anyone know for sure?

horsemen_ · Post by **horsemen_** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:09 am

mason was sopost to be executed then they did away with executions in the usa so it was converted to life then they broght back the executions.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:33 am

It depends on a person's perspective of our penal system. Is it for punitive justice, rehabilitation or a mixture or both.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:34 am

horsemen_ wrote:mason was sopost to be executed then they did away with executions in the usa so it was converted to life then they broght back the executions.

It figures. He is one guy that for sure deserved it if anyone did. Evil guy 100%

Pie

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:16 am

Manson worked for the , was a member of the Process Church. A very satanic organization..Offering of the firstborn is a mandate. Much like the ancient days of Baal or Molech. Was it Susan Atkins or one of the other girls who was disappointed they did not have time to cut the baby out of Susan Tate.?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:19 am

I'd probably try to turn things around if I knew I was going to die.....hmm what's the saying??

If ya can't do the time...... he shot 4 poeple with a shotgun while on PCP. And this is just what they can prove. Imagine what they don't know/or he hadn't confessed to. He needs to die.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:20 am

horsemen_ wrote:Stanley Tookie Williams co-founder of the Crips street gang in Los Angeles over 30 years ago, is facing execution on December 13

alot of people like snoop dog and other black actors are asking/pushing for clemency

he might have changed his ways but that dont change the fact he did the crimes and should be pushinshed.
and he did start one of the biggest gangs in the country

so all any death row inmate has to do is write a childrens book !?!?!?! BAHHHHHH

screw that. he did the crime,he pays, what,this guy is an angel now because he wrote a book?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:38 am

Kip Patterson wrote:I believe that there was no death penalty when Manson was convicted. Anyone know for sure?

Manson wasn't convicted of murder. He wasn't at the scene in either of the slaughters. No death penalty.

I'm not sure California had a death penalty at that time either. None of his family members who were there at the murders, got the death penalty.

He comes up for parole ever so often but he doesn't ever show remorse so I kinda doubt he'll ever be let out. That is a good thing.

Mactron · Post by **Mactron** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:39 am

There are murders that are so abhorrent, so brutal, it justifies the ultimate punishment. This one of those times.
Sure hope Arnold doesn't fold on this one. This guy has already lived 24 years to long.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:20 pm

put it on tv.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:26 pm

Manson VS Williams cage match?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:28 pm

Between this guy and Mumia Abu Jamal, Hollywood has a pet project on both coasts.

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:33 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:It depends on a person's perspective of our penal system. Is it for punitive justice, rehabilitation or a mixture or both.

agreed. My feelings are very mixed on this issue. If, in fact the system is about rehabilitation and reintegration, the opportunity arises to prove that great success is possible.
However he did form THE most violent and formidable gang (sans 'the Warriors') in modern history, and killed many people while doing so.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:28 pm

he's had 20 years to try and atone for the Crips formation ... fine - good for him. that doesn't change the fact that this man is a murderer and now it's time to pay up.

on a side note - just to give some perspective ... let's say I go and rob a black couple, tie them up, and execute them - and laugh at them and make fun of them while they're dying.
I get convicted and sentenced to death - I write a few pop-up books about the evils of violence while I'm waiting to get fried - which I hope will make everyone think I'm a good boy now and don't deserve to die.

how many stars do you think are gonna be holding rallies to save me?
NONE.
they will be too busy talking about how I should pay for my "hate crime".

I wonder why this hasn't come up in this media circus. Williams killed white people and asians ... and on one site I read that he actually said he was killing the white people "because they were white".

His crimes were hate crimes too ... racism goes both ways, and so should the reprocussions.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:33 pm

Jamie_R wrote:
I wonder why this hasn't come up in this media circus. Williams killed white people and Asians ... and on one site I read that he actually said he was killing the white people "because they were white".

I was under the impression he was claiming innocence to the murders.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:35 pm

nine inch nails recorded one their albums in the house where manson murdered Abigail Folger. She was actually cut up outside over a drainage grate... Andy Gore has the grate.. pretty gross. google.. andy gore.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:40 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:I was under the impression he was claiming innocence to the murders.

he is ... apparently this came from a witness ... a member of his own "crew" I think ...

DaddyLongLeg · Post by **DaddyLongLeg** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:08 pm

Basically there saying he's changed and is trying to stop gang violence. The last I've checked, gang violence is still a very bad problem in SoCal, therefore, IMO he's not doing enough to stop his execution

chimdogger · Post by **chimdogger** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:27 pm

If I were the Govinator, I would let the family of the slain victims decide whether he lives or dies.

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:15 pm

chimdogger wrote:If I were the Govinator, I would let the family of the slain victims decide whether he lives or dies.

not a bad idea!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:39 pm

Looks like his time's over. I hope he has made peace with God, because that is the only thing that matters at the end.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10355657/

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:41 pm

Here come Riots 3.0!

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:58 pm

Joe wrote:nine inch nails recorded one their albums in the house where manson murdered Abigail Folger. She was actually cut up outside over a drainage grate... Andy Gore has the grate.. pretty gross. google.. andy gore.

Yet people do not think bands like Nine inch nails are satanic...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:25 pm

knightmare wrote:Manson worked for the , was a member of the Process Church. A very satanic organization..Offering of the firstborn is a mandate. Much like the ancient days of Baal or Molech. Was it Susan Atkins or one of the other girls who was disappointed they did not have time to cut the baby out of Susan Tate.?

that is not true..first of all process church is not satanic, second manson was never a member

yes manson was not a good person and evil IMO...the guy was just a sick bastard who preyed on people he can manipulate

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:26 pm

knightmare wrote:Yet people do not think bands like Nine inch nails are satanic...

is everything satanic to you? LOL

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:58 pm

Izzo wrote:I'd probably try to turn things around if I knew I was going to die.....hmm what's the saying??

If ya can't do the time...... he shot 4 poeple with a shotgun while on PCP. And this is just what they can prove. Imagine what they don't know/or he hadn't confessed to. He needs to die.

Agreed!!!

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:59 pm

chimdogger wrote:If I were the Govinator, I would let the family of the slain victims decide whether he lives or dies.

except then that family would be having people like snoop dawg and a bunch of other bad mofo's hanging around their house threatening them...

there is a reason that victims families arent the ones that choose the punishment.

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:02 pm

Prey521 wrote:Looks like his time's over. I hope he has made peace with God, because that is the only thing that matters at the end.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10355657/

“All we need now is time to investigate to make sure this story is real,” said NAACP California President Alice Huffman. “We’re hoping and praying for clemency, but we’re not going to leave any stone unturned.”

Doesn't the NAACP have anything better to do?

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:19 pm

alot of people like snoop dog......... are asking/pushing for clemency

Wow- now there's some credibility for ya!

A quick Google brought me to this excellent editorial on the BlackAmericaweb.com website, written by Joseph C. Phillips
Bio

Here's the link to the article: linkage

Good reading- even better perspective, IMO.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:27 pm

If there is a chance he is innocent then they are doing a good thing in my opinion.

Over one hundred death row inmates have been cleared so far

If he is guilty he should be executed

Mactron · Post by **Mactron** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:39 pm

Just reported on CNN...
"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denies clemency for killer Stanley Tookie Williams"

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:00 pm

Mactron wrote:Just reported on CNN...
"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denies clemency for killer Stanley Tookie Williams"

"In other news, Reginald Denney has canceled his vacation to Los Angeles."

Mactron · Post by **Mactron** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:06 pm

Burke wrote:"In other news, Reginald Denney has canceled his vacation to Los Angeles."

If I still lived in LA, I'd be packing my family up and sending them out of town right about now.

Oh Ya, I did that last time too.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:07 pm

Burke wrote:"In other news, Reginald Denney has canceled his vacation to Los Angeles."

Lol

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:42 pm

Burke wrote:"In other news, Reginald Denney has canceled his vacation to Los Angeles."

Hahahahahahahahaha

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:51 pm

For them to execute him after such a long time is foolish in my opinion. Maybe he is guilty, maybe he isn't. If he was helping to turn other people around while he was behind bars and he continued to stay behind bars for a life sentence then its not hurting , it would be helping to serve as an example. To kill him now is truly likened to a slow torture after all the years of being alive after he was found guilty. They should do it immediately once sentenced instead of dragging things out. Im all for the death sentence but this is a little different.