Church This weekend

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:09 pm

Wow, Our pastor challenged everyone to see how good of a Christian we might think we are. You know, I'm very new to being a Christian and there is a lot to this. After his sermon I have realized I am a terrible Christian. Yes I'm saved but you know what? I am not a good Christian plain and Simple. I'm going to do my best to be a good Christian on these boards and in my life. A lot of people claim to be good Christians here, but after his sermon they ARE NOT. However there are some good ones here as well. You guys must think I'm the biggest hypocrite. A bad Christian and you know what? You are right. I just can't believe I made myself look like such an ass on these boards. I apologize and now I am making the changes to be a good Christian and to be an example and not to be hypocrite. Sorry guys. I 'm glad I seen what a lot of people here were already saying.
Thanks Guys
Sammy.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:15 pm

Hi Sammy,

I never thought down of you...but just curious what did he say that made you change your views?

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:32 pm

Augustus wrote:Hi Sammy,

I never thought down of you...but just curious what did he say that made you change your views?

I do alot of coarse joking and that is not a good thing. I also curse my brothers and sisters with the same tounge I praise the Lord with, and that is NOT acceptable. My anger is also not acceptable. I should love my brothers and sisters the same way I love the Lord. I hold grudges, I showed pics Of my wife on here which was not good. Even though she wasn't nakid she wasn't clothed either. You know alot of people called me on it and I didn't respect those people. I have more respect for those people then ever today. I just need to make alot of changes and quit picking and choosing which ones I want to abide by. As they are all given to us as rules and guidlines if you will.
I have failed dramatically in all area's. I have made a vow to myself and the Lord to be a better Christian. I should be a role model in hopes to bring more people to the Lord. How am I serving the Lord if I can't even follow a few simple rules to better my life.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:37 pm

Look if you go out and get a 2nd tongue so you can cuss that ****s gonna be a bit odd.

Only people named Chris can be good christians.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:40 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Look if you go out and get a 2nd tongue so you can cuss that ****s gonna be a bit odd.

Only people named Chris can be good christians.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:47 pm

The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
19Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:54 pm

Being a Christian and living as one in todays world, is more then a test. I'd fail miserably everyday, since I'm forced by other compelling means to stand my ground. Many of those that are forcing my choices are the very same "So called Christians" standing in the church choir, playing deacons or some other activity, yet are so quick to take the dagger and slam it in your back come Monday.

What am I saying? To me, it's impossible to be a proper Christian in todays world. I'm not saying you should stop striving to be, only that the way things work out here, it's next to impossible.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:55 pm

What kinda chruch do you goto.

I say **** it, be yourself. Sounds like this pastor is some purist holier than thou dude thinking too highly of himself.

Go buy some candy cigarettes and play some poker.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:57 pm

blebs99 wrote:Being a Christian and living as one in todays world, is more then a test. I'd fail miserably everyday, since I'm forced by other compelling means to stand my ground. Many of those that are forcing my choices are the very same "So called Christians" standing in the church choir, playing deacons or some other activity, yet are so quick to take the dagger and slam it in your back come Monday.

What am I saying? To me, it's impossible to be a proper Christian in todays world.

I agree it is hard but not impossible.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:58 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:What kinda chruch do you goto.

I say **** it, be yourself. Sounds like this pastor is some purist holier than thou dude thinking too highly of himself.

Go buy some candy cigarettes and play some poker.

Bah!

David · Post by **David** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:58 pm

All you can do is try.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:59 pm

Spammy wrote:Bah!

I'm serious about the pastor, I dont put much faith in religion, but I put none in religous leaders/figures.

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:04 pm

So ummm you didn't fall asleep in church this week.

J/K thanksbye

David · Post by **David** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:12 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:I'm serious about the pastor, I dont put much faith in religion, but I put none in religous leaders/figures.

Do you feel that all religious figures are contemptible? Many are, but I know a few who are really fantastic individuals with excellent insight.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:13 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Do you feel that all religious figures are contemptible? Many are, but I know a few who are really fantastic individuals with excellent insight.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:13 pm

That's awesome man. I think you came to the realization of what it's like to be a Christian. The idea is to strive to be perfect, but God knows we will be unable too because we are human and do make mistakes. That said its the effort and commitment we put forth that will either please or disappoint God. We all do things that contradict our faith, but its recognizing that and working to resolve those issues that ultimately is what we are judged on.

Sadly, those who lack faith confuse this with hypocrisy. I personally can not think of one Christian who ever told me he was perfect, and yet when believers make mistakes people somehow call them hypocrites as if they ever proclaimed to be. Anyway man, nicely done.

golfnintendoboy · Post by **golfnintendoboy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:22 pm

The first step to correction is realizing there is a problem. You have taken that first step Sammy

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:24 pm

New eyeglasses eh guys.

golfnintendoboy · Post by **golfnintendoboy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:25 pm

Spammy wrote:New eyeglasses eh guys.

2 Corinthians 5:7
for we walk by faith, not by sight

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:27 pm

[quote="golfnintendoboy"]2 Corinthians 5:7
for we walk by faith, not by sight

]

I was meaning that. The Lord and life of a Christian you see things a whole new way.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:28 pm

Roody wrote:That's awesome man. I think you came to the realization of what it's like to be a Christian. The idea is to strive to be perfect, but God knows we will be unable too because we are human and do make mistakes. That said its the effort and commitment we put forth that will either please or disappoint God. We all do things that contradict our faith, but its recognizing that and working to resolve those issues that ultimately is what we are judged on.

Sadly, those who lack faith confuse this with hypocrisy. I personally can not think of one Christian who ever told me he was perfect, and yet when believers make mistakes people somehow call them hypocrites as if they ever proclaimed to be. Anyway man, nicely done.

as someone who is a non believer...my point of view is, i know no one is perfect thus we are human, but when someone proclaims to me about Christianity but goes against the rules time and time again and not striving to become Christian like, but then preaching to me about becoming one...sorry but it turns me off and further from religion.

BTW this is not referring to anyone specific i am just making general points.

EDIT: one other thing to me if you pick and choose which lines to follow out of the bible it is another reason why I do not follow any one religion.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:36 pm

Augustus wrote:as someone who is a non believer...my point of view is, i know no one is perfect thus we are human, but when someone proclaims to me about Christianity but goes against the rules time and time again and not striving to become Christian like, but then preaching to me about becoming one...sorry but it turns me off and further from religion.

BTW this is not referring to anyone specific i am just making general points.

EDIT: one other thing to me if you pick and choose which lines to follow out of the bible it is another reason why I do not follow any one religion.

Yes, I understand that view man. It's not easy for a believer to do things right all the time. In fact its impossible. Over the course of a persons life they will do all kinds of things that are bad, but its the attempt and the continued effort that is what seperates them. IMO, thats not being hypocritical. I believe its showing the resolve of a person trying to do their best day in and day out even though they recognize they never will achieve perfection and that kind of commitment should be honored and praised instead of mocked.

Just my own .02.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:48 pm

Roody wrote:Yes, I understand that view man. It's not easy for a believer to do things right all the time. In fact its impossible. Over the course of a persons life they will do all kinds of things that are bad, but its the attempt and the continued effort that is what seperates them. IMO, thats not being hypocritical. I believe its showing the resolve of a person trying to do their best day in and day out even though they recognize they never will achieve perfection and that kind of commitment should be honored and praised instead of mocked.

Just my own .02.

What I think Augustus is getting at is the type of "Christian" that condems one for doing what they do when it goes against what they came because they are "Christians"

If I understand him right, Brent would be a prime example of that when he spouted his crap

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:52 pm

CiscoKid wrote:What I think Augustus is getting at is the type of "Christian" that condems one for doing what they do when it goes against what they came because they are "Christians"

If I understand him right, Brent would be a prime example of that when he spouted his crap

Yeah I can understand that. Its a bit of a double edged sword. A Christian may speak out against something that someone does even though they have the same weakness. In some ways they could also be reminding themselves of their own flaw. Regardless, even if its an area that a person needs work they always want to do their best to help others even if right away they are having problems taking their own advice.

I suppose its whats in their heart at the time. If their intent is malicious then I agree, but if its genuinely meant as a good thing then I have no problem with it as long as that person continues to resolve that issue.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:56 pm

CiscoKid wrote:What I think Augustus is getting at is the type of "Christian" that condems one for doing what they do when it goes against what they came because they are "Christians"

If I understand him right, Brent would be a prime example of that when he spouted his crap

yes that is a point I was trying to make across, perfect example.

The biggest thing for me when it comes to Christianity in general is I believe in religion tolerance, no matter what religion or belief system they have. Even if I disagree whether they are Christian, Buddhist, Spirituality, I try not to look down at them or riducule them because their belief system is different.

Just speaking generality again.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:22 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:Do you feel that all religious figures are contemptible? Many are, but I know a few who are really fantastic individuals with excellent insight.

Ya a lot are, but another problem is how the people view them.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:22 pm

Roody wrote:Yeah I can understand that. Its a bit of a double edged sword. A Christian may speak out against something that someone does even though they have the same weakness. In some ways they could also be reminding themselves of their own flaw. Regardless, even if its an area that a person needs work they always want to do their best to help others even if right away they are having problems taking their own advice.

I suppose its whats in their heart at the time. If their intent is malicious then I agree, but if its genuinely meant as a good thing then I have no problem with it as long as that person continues to resolve that issue.

There in lies the problem. It is the manner in which the message is delivered. A juicy steak will not be eaten if it is smeared poison. It invites repugnance and repudiation, which is unfortunate. With the good missives that can be tendered, it is the spitting of bile that will be remembered and judged.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:28 pm

Augustus wrote:yes that is a point I was trying to make across, perfect example.

The biggest thing for me when it comes to Christianity in general is I believe in religion tolerance, no matter what religion or belief system they have. Even if I disagree whether they are Christian, Buddhist, Spirituality, I try not to look down at them or riducule them because their belief system is different.

Just speaking generality again.

I believe in religious tolerance also

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:29 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:There in lies the problem. It is the manner in which the message is delivered. A juicy steak will not be eaten if it is smeared poison. It invites repugnance and repudiation, which is unfortunate. With the good missives that can be tendered, it is the spitting of bile that will be remembered and judged.

I agree with you that its how its delivered. If a person does it in a caring tone then I dont think its out of line, but if they are nasty about it then naturally there is a problem.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:30 pm

Roody wrote:Yeah I can understand that. Its a bit of a double edged sword. A Christian may speak out against something that someone does even though they have the same weakness. In some ways they could also be reminding themselves of their own flaw. Regardless, even if its an area that a person needs work they always want to do their best to help others even if right away they are having problems taking their own advice.

I suppose its whats in their heart at the time. If their intent is malicious then I agree, but if its genuinely meant as a good thing then I have no problem with it as long as that person continues to resolve that issue.

Maybe if more folks led by example vs. by judging/preaching to non-believers...

that's my only beef. I happen to not be Christian but I think everyone should be free and encouraged to pursue whatever they choose.

EDIT: this isn't directed towards anyone, I just meant to point out why some may think folks beat up on religious posts/references - no one wants to be preached-to uninvited...

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:33 pm

Augustus wrote:as someone who is a non believer...my point of view is, i know no one is perfect thus we are human, but when someone proclaims to me about Christianity but goes against the rules time and time again and not striving to become Christian like, but then preaching to me about becoming one...sorry but it turns me off and further from religion.

BTW this is not referring to anyone specific i am just making general points.

EDIT: one other thing to me if you pick and choose which lines to follow out of the bible it is another reason why I do not follow any one religion.

Frankly, your two cents were not needed in this thread; as usual, you stomp in and decide to, AGAIN, make it clear you're a non-believer, and attempt to yet AGAIN turn someone's post regarding Christianity into a debate.

Next time, just skip the thread.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:35 pm

Burke wrote:Next time, just skip the thread.

Good advice - people who have nothing constructive to add may consider following it

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:36 pm

[quote="Burke"]Frankly, your two cents were not needed in this thread]

see here is a perfect example

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:39 pm

I just wanted everyone to know. I was slipping in my beliefs and that I'm trying hard to correct it.

Thanks guys.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:00 pm

Well I think I figured you out a while back and I don't think your doing so bad.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:06 pm

Spammy wrote:I just wanted everyone to know. I was slipping in my beliefs and that I'm trying hard to correct it.

Thanks guys.

I have nothing bad to say about you Spammy, it's more the Burkes and Brents out there that cause problems

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:07 pm

blebs99 wrote:Well I think I figured you out a while back and I don't think your doing so bad.

Sammy - you are pretty skilled at sharing your view without giving peeps the sense that they are being judged.

Respect ~

Skye

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:08 pm

cyberskye wrote:

Sammy - you are pretty skilled at sharing your view without giving peeps the sense that they are being judged.

Respect ~

Skye

Agreed and same for Roody as well and a few others here at SG

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:10 pm

Augustus wrote:Agreed and same for Roody as well and a few others here at SG

I appreciate that man.

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:15 pm

Thanks guys.

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