Should Marijuana Be Legalised

W_I_Z_K_I_D · Post by **W_I_Z_K_I_D** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:13 am

Hi All W_I_Z_K_I_D Here

Whats your opinion.

--SHOULD MARIJUANA BE LEGALISED--

For medical reasons i say (YES) for those of us out there who need it medically wise that is.
But for recreation use and so forth i say (NO) ..It shouldn't be legalised.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:14 am

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:18 am

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:20 am

Medicinal Yes

Else No

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:23 am

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:31 am

Yes, and it should be taxed, controlled and distributed just like it is with alcohol, only to people over 21 years old.

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:31 am

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:32 am

i believe there is nothing intrinsicly evil or wrong with marijuana.

i also believe that it being illegal is doing more harm to society than good. and just be forwarned, i do not intend to expound on this point. it;s all a question of values and accountability, and i don;t feel like typing out a 4000 word dissertation.

in addition, i believe that we have created a legal structure that in many cases has it;s priorities all wrong. well, not all wrong, but very suspect in some areas.

if we are to arbitrarily put marijuana in the same class as heroin or crystal meth (within the the legal/illegal context), then we really should apply the same standards to everything. let's put cold medicine, motion sickness pills, nicotine, caffiene and alcohol in the same class. every one of these substances is known to be abused for the sake of getting high, and are more destructive and dangerous in the process.

that being said, i would like to add that my own personal feeling has no bearing on other people's opinion being right or wrong. like i mentioned above, all it really boils down to is personal values and accountability.

that is all.

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:41 am

Roody wrote:Nope

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:43 am

Don't forget prostitution while we're at it.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun May 16, 2004 1:49 am

RoundEye wrote:Yes, and it should be taxed, controlled and distributed just like it is with alcohol, only to people over 21 years old.

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Sun May 16, 2004 1:52 am

RoundEye wrote:Yes, and it should be taxed, controlled and distributed just like it is with alcohol, only to people over 21 years old.

yup.

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Sun May 16, 2004 1:57 am

yes or no doesn't matter much to me.

BUT i do feel we need stricter testing, random and scheduled for driving and jobs and licensing etc.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sun May 16, 2004 2:01 am

what would change........ the same people who do smoke the herb will still do it and the ones that dont wont... Nothing would change cept maybe age laws or something of that form... Canada seems to be doing just fine. They just dont call it legal, simply "decriminalized".

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun May 16, 2004 2:06 am

i think u mean legalized

Broadsword · Post by **Broadsword** » Sun May 16, 2004 2:08 am

Of course it should be legalized, you can't call this the "Land Of The Free" if it isn't. Nobody has the right to tell me what I can or can't put into my body.

I suggest watching the Penn and Teller: Bullsh*t episode on drugs. It will show you how completely ignorant our government is. The "War On Drugs" is just a complete joke and drain of our money. It's sickening.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Sun May 16, 2004 2:12 am

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Sun May 16, 2004 2:20 am

Meggie wrote:i think u mean legalized

no, he means decriminalized.

using the Netherlands as a model..... technically, marijuana is still illegal as far as the letter of the law goes. by "decriminalizing" it, there is descretional enforcement. normal use and availability is not generally prosecuted. use that availablility to create a problem (i.e. cultivation for exportation and such) and you're in trouble. i'm sure SeedofChaos could explain in detail what the law dictates in the NL, as that;s where he lives.

what official guidelines exist when it comes to decriminalization, i am not sure. but, legalization and decriminalization are 2 different things in practice.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sun May 16, 2004 7:31 am

Yes it should be legalized on both counts.
I disagree with the taxation thing...anytime the government gets involved things go to hell.

Pie

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun May 16, 2004 7:38 am

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Sun May 16, 2004 7:46 am

medical yes

the legal issue i say maybe i'll tell you why some people if they use marijuanna they use other drugs such as crack or herrion they smoke pot like thy do people who ciggs.

I'm with faust it depends on the person if it is legal think about how much money we save on prisoners who were picked up for poession. You never here of people acting out violenece while on pot as you do drinking.

I'm see both ways haven't made up my mind

ace · Post by **ace** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:13 am

RoundEye wrote:Yes, and it should be taxed, controlled and distributed just like it is with alcohol, only to people over 21 years old.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:25 am

No, it shouldn't be legalized. Why do people insist on doing damage to their body, and frying their brain?

That'd be a great picture of America. Land of the Stoners.

Another reason I want to be a cop, to get that **** off the streets, and out of my future kids hands.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:34 am

Loonatic wrote:No, it shouldn't be legalized. Why do people insist on doing damage to their body, and frying their brain?

That'd be a great picture of America. Land of the Stoners.

Another reason I want to be a cop, to get that **** off the streets, and out of my future kids hands.

We have prescription medications that doctors give to people that cause more problems than they cure.

Our tax dollars go to finding, arresting, and holding people for meaningless ****.

Its not your right to tell someone what they can do with their body if it only hurts them.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:35 am

YES.

Has anyone measured the effectiveness of the War on Drugs?

We're not winning.

I'm tired of seeing cops get killed over what really amounts to nothing more than personal destruction.

Herb should be classified in the same category as alcohol. Get caught driving while under the influence....you get fined and possible jail time.

Tired of talking about this....same BS over and over and over.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:37 am

i don't care either way really, i have seen some people that have been smokeing for over 20 years and they tend to be alitttle slower and in general just seem to be losers, and then i have seen others that have their lives together.

i think some people are just can handle it and others cannot.

as far as makeing it legal, people will smoke it either way, i just don't like to work with stoners.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:39 am

Mark wrote:i don't care either way really, i have seen some people that have been smokeing for over 20 years and they tend to be alitttle slower and in general just seem to be losers, and then i have seen others that have their lives together.

i think some people are just can handle it and others cannot.

as far as makeing it legal, people will smoke it either way, i just don't like to work with stoners.

Yup, same goes for people with food in this country.

ace · Post by **ace** » Sun May 16, 2004 8:52 am

Legal or not its going to be here forever, no cop can stop this. Sorry halflifer but alcohol and cigarettes are worse than weed and there legal. I also agree with mark about working with stoners. As I do smoke weed you could never tell when I am working becasue not everyone who smokes does it all the time and at work. It really comes down to personal preference. I dont drink that much because I get massive hangovers, but no problems when I fire up a spliff with my friends. Hace a nice day, see ya at 420!!!

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:07 am

YARDofSTUF wrote: Its not your right to tell someone what they can do with their body if it only hurts them.

And it's not your right to ingest this stuff and cause harm to other people either on behalf of your impaired actions!

ace · Post by **ace** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:10 am

Loonatic wrote:And it's not your right to ingest this stuff and cause harm to other people either on behalf of your impaired actions!

Thats just a blanket statement. Not all people who drink and smoke go out and drive around or cause trouble. Sure there are alot that do and theres alot that dont. Take racing since you love it so much. There are tracks that people can goto and race but they still race on the streets putting people in danger everytime. Its illegal but it happens.

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:12 am

This is a useless argument, no one will agree on this.

You wont convince me that one is worse than the other, because I don't care. I dont like alcohol, weed, nor cigarettes. It's pointless, simply put.

In some cases, drug's lead to gang wars, which leads to killings of innocent people also. That's all that ever happens in a city like Detroit. Some guy doesn't get his weed, so he goes on a damn shooting spree. It's stupid, keep the **** out and there wouldn't be problems. Just because YOU can handle it, doesn't mean other can.

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:12 am

[quote="Faust"]no, he means decriminalized.

using the Netherlands as a model..... technically, marijuana is still illegal as far as the letter of the law goes. by "decriminalizing" it, there is descretional enforcement. normal use and availability is not generally prosecuted. use that availablility to create a problem (i.e. cultivation for exportation and such) and you're in trouble. i'm sure SeedofChaos could explain in detail what the law dictates in the NL, as that]
Yeah, there's subtile difference between legalization and decriminalization. The basic framework is this...

- you're pretty much allowed to grow 5 plants per person at home, the police won't say anything
- you're allowed to buy up to 5 grams per person in an officially licensed "coffeeshop" which are subjected to strict controls (18+ of age, the legal age for about everything here, hard alcohol, driving, voting, etc.; 5 grams per person limit; no hard drugs; no alcohol; no lingering around the coffeeshop)
- you're officially allowed to smoke it only at the coffeeshops and at home
- officially only Dutch citizens are afforded these rights, as to limit drug tourism (the Netherlands are a very small country...)

So while they aren't going after individial users, they do have a handle on those people who have plantations, export it, coffeeshops that abuse the system, etc. That's the difference. Doesn't matter to the user, eventually, as long as you don't deal it. Of course there are a number of places where nobody will complain if you smoke... like festivals, out in the open with few people (and especially no kids) around, etc. Get caught driving under the influence, and kiss your license goodbye for at least a year - rightfully so. So the government allows its use, but does punish irresponsible use.

ace · Post by **ace** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:18 am

Loonatic wrote:This is a useless argument, no one will agree on this.

You wont convince me that one is worse than the other, because I don't care. I dont like alcohol, weed, nor cigarettes. It's pointless, simply put.

In some cases, drug's lead to gang wars, which leads to killings of innocent people also. That's all that ever happens in a city like Detroit. Some guy doesn't get his weed, so he goes on a damn shooting spree. It's stupid, keep the **** out and there wouldn't be problems. Just because YOU can handle it, doesn't mean other can.

Your right about it being useless. But you seem to pick the laws that seem to fit you. Weed has been around longer than any of us, its not the root of our social problems.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:25 am

Loonatic wrote:And it's not your right to ingest this stuff and cause harm to other people either on behalf of your impaired actions!

Actually I've made the choice to not use drugs already, no matter what their legal status is or is to be.

I'm a light drinker and do not want cigarettes, pot, coke, or anything else.

But you are right. No one, not just me, has the right to take a drug and hurt others, thats why it should be treated like alcohol/smoking.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun May 16, 2004 9:30 am

Loonatic wrote: In some cases, drug's lead to gang wars, which leads to killings of innocent people also. That's all that ever happens in a city like Detroit. Some guy doesn't get his weed, so he goes on a damn shooting spree. It's stupid, keep the **** out and there wouldn't be problems. Just because YOU can handle it, doesn't mean other can.

Right, but if it were legal and regulated, sold in a store, then that changes many things about those situations.

If its pointless then why do u still post to try to get others to agree with your points?

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun May 16, 2004 12:32 pm

[quote="Faust"]no, he means decriminalized.

using the Netherlands as a model..... technically, marijuana is still illegal as far as the letter of the law goes. by "decriminalizing" it, there is descretional enforcement. normal use and availability is not generally prosecuted. use that availablility to create a problem (i.e. cultivation for exportation and such) and you're in trouble. i'm sure SeedofChaos could explain in detail what the law dictates in the NL, as that]
i was correcting his spelling not his meaning

Mutch · Post by **Mutch** » Sun May 16, 2004 2:50 pm

Nothing wrong watching a funny movie and smoking a j. Or at a house party.. Its the people that smoke a tonne go driving and passout. I say legalise it tax it and bada bing bada boom. 19 or older and you can smoke the reef.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sun May 16, 2004 3:58 pm

To make pot illegal is like saying God fu@k-up

God looked down on the seventh day and said, There it is my creation, perfect and holy in everyway.Me-O-My, I left fu@kin pot everywere. Should have never smoked that joint on the thrid day. If I leave pot everywere its gonna give people the impression they can use it. Dam now I m going to have to make republican. (Bill Hicks)