Dvd R

CAR-15 · Post by **CAR-15** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:56 pm

does anyone know what dvd recorder drive is currently the best?

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 10:51 pm

There have been a couple topics about this here. The general consensus seems to be between the Pioneer(A05)/Cendyne drive, or the Sony one that can handle both the + and - formats.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:11 am

Sony DRU500A DVD-R/RW Drive
dont know if its the best but its better than Pioneer A05

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:43 am

The advantage of the Sony is the dual media capability. M$ has been pushing the + standard. There were media issues with the drive early on....

Pioneer has been producing the - standard for quite some time. The media is cheap and readily available. Also, firmware hacks have provided for additional capabilities.

I owned a A03 since October of 2001. I purchased a DVR-105 in January of this year. I have no problem recommending the Pioneer product.

david

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:29 pm

The DRU-500A burns DVD-r/-RW,DVD+RW/+R and CD-R/CD-RW disc.SUpports up to 2.4x DVD+RW/+R recording and will support 4x DVD-R recording and 2x DVD-RW recording with firmware updated.The drive supports 24x CD-R and 10x CD-RW recording.It offers an 8mb buffer free for error free recording.The drive also supports the new DVD-audio format,which means that u can experiment with 5.1 surround disc.

only - is ,it does not support DVD-RAM recording as the new SAMSUNG SR T03 does.

http://www.sonystyle.com

editors choice product PC Upgrade.
Pioneer a05 wasnt even listed there

its up to u but Pioneer a05 is more cheaper and its really very good and reliable DVD burner also.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:35 pm

Originally posted by rivas
The DRU-500A burns DVD-r/-RW,DVD+RW/+R and CD-R/CD-RW disc.SUpports up to 2.4x DVD+RW/+R recording and will support 4x DVD-R recording and 2x DVD-RW recording with firmware updated.The drive supports 24x CD-R and 10x CD-RW recording.It offers an 8mb buffer free for error free recording.The drive also supports the new DVD-audio format,which means that u can experiment with 5.1 surround disc.

only - is ,it does not support DVD-RAM recording as the new SAMSUNG SR T03 does.

http://www.sonystyle.com

editors choice product PC Upgrade.
Pioneer a05 wasnt even listed there

its up to u but Pioneer a05 is more cheaper and its really very good and reliable DVD burner also.

I do believe that the DVD-audio is a function of software, hence any burner should be able to author it.

The Sony also offer 4X +R. It still has issues with some brands of 4X -R media

The 2M buffer on the Pioneer utilizes burn safe technology.

Please refer to terrancelam thread for some links to sites and forums which are highly informative.

shant,
david

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:52 pm

Originally posted by nepenthe
I do believe that the DVD-audio is a function of software, hence any burner should be able to author it.

The Sony also offer 4X +R. It still has issues with some brands of 4X -R media

The 2M buffer on the Pioneer utilizes burn safe technology.

Please refer to terrancelam thread for some links to sites and forums which are highly informative.

shant,
david

DVD Audio is not function of software
(correct me someone if im wrong pls)

Pioneer A05 got 2 stars out of 5 compare with SONY DRU ...they got 5 stars
even price compare ...pioneer a05 is $ 386 SONY DRU500A $ 599

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:43 am

Originally posted by rivas
DVD Audio is not function of software
(correct me someone if im wrong pls)

Pioneer A05 got 2 stars out of 5 compare with SONY DRU ...they got 5 stars
even price compare ...pioneer a05 is $ 386 SONY DRU500A $ 599

There are packages for authoring and copying DVD-Audio.

I have no idea of the parameters by which the stars were assessed. Perhaps there was a bit of brand or format favoritism.
By all means, please reseach the following links for DVD writer information.

http://www.dvdwriters.co.uk/

http://www.cdrom-guide.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi/

http://forum.firmware-flash.com/viewfor ... f51a2c91c9

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:17 am

Originally posted by nepenthe
There are packages for authoring and copying DVD-Audio.

I have no idea of the parameters by which the stars were assessed. Perhaps there was a bit of brand or format favoritism.
By all means, please reseach the following links for DVD writer information.

http://www.dvdwriters.co.uk/

http://www.cdrom-guide.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi/

http://forum.firmware-flash.com/viewfor ... f51a2c91c9

source PC upgrade and Maximum PC

Pioneer got 2 stars of out 5, 6 months ago.
Pioneer a05 is old burner compare with new Sony dru and the rest.

SONY dru 500A - 5 stars
Panasonic LF-D521 - 3 stars
Samsung SR T03 - 3 stars
Toshiba SD R5002 - 3 stars

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:00 pm

Originally posted by rivas
source PC upgrade and Maximum PC

Pioneer got 2 stars of out 5, 6 months ago.
Pioneer a05 is old burner compare with new Sony dru and the rest.

SONY dru 500A - 5 stars
Panasonic LF-D521 - 3 stars
Samsung SR T03 - 3 stars
Toshiba SD R5002 - 3 stars

The Toshiba and Panasonic are 2X drives, the Pioneer is 4X.

By all means, check with the folk who actually use the equipment on the linked sites in order to help form your opinion.

david

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:06 pm

Originally posted by nepenthe
The Toshiba and Panasonic are 2X drives, the Pioneer is 4X.

By all means, check with the folk who actually use the equipment on the linked sites in order to help form your opinion.

david

but Panasonic LF D521 supports DVD RAM ,means u can record on higher capacity media - all the way up to 9.4GB double sided cartridge.Pioneer doesnt.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:43 pm

Originally posted by rivas
but Panasonic LF D521 supports DVD RAM ,means u can record on higher capacity media - all the way up to 9.4GB double sided cartridge.Pioneer doesnt.

Which is a fairly dead format. Sales for the DVD-RAM drives were practically nil even before DVD-r hit the scene. If it was not for M$ backing the "+" format, I would not even suggest the Sony. Please examine how people who actually have a DVD-writer, use it.

BTW, I am not a fanboy for any particular brand. I make my decisions based on my needs and curiosities.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:47 pm

Originally posted by nepenthe
Which is a fairly dead format. Sales for the DVD-RAM drives were practically nil even before DVD-r hit the scene. If it was not for M$ backing the "+" format, I would not even suggest the Sony. Please examine how people who actually have a DVD-writer, use it.

BTW, I am not a fanboy for any particular brand. I make my decisions based on my needs and curiosities.

he was asking which dvd burner is currently the best.Pioneer a05 is faaar faar away from to be the best.
and comparing with new SONY DRU, Sony owns.Car 15 if u wanna cheap and good burner buy Pioneer,if u want really good one get that Sony DRU.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:05 pm

Sony DRU500A DVD-R/RW Drive

Mfr. Part Number DRU500A
Product Dimensions 14.4 x 4.1 x 19.6 cm
Software Included Drivers, Recording Software
Data Buffer 8 MB
CD Write Speed 24X
Data Access Time 160 ms
DVD Read Speed 8X
Internal/External Internal
DVD Rewrite Speed 2.4X
CD Read Speed 32X
CD Rewrite Speed 10X
DVD Write Speed 4X
Interface EIDE / ATAPI
Warranty 1 Year Parts & Labour

Sony's new multiformat high performance DVD burner supports all formats: DVD+R/+RW, DVD-R/-RW, and CD-R/RWs. The unit comes complete with industry standard software for creating and editing DVD video discs from camcorder/VCR tapes, backing up your valuable data, storing and sharing large files, and watching DVD movies on your PC.

Pioneer DVR-A05 DVD-R/RW Drive
PIDVRA05
14.8 x 4.23 x 19.77 cm
Drivers, Burning
Data Buffer 2 MB
CD WRITE 16X
Data Access Time 200 ms
DVD Read Speed 12X
Included In Box Cables, Jumpers, Screws, Manual
DVD Rewrite Speed 2X
CD Read Speed 32X
CD rewrite Speed 8X
DVD write speed 4X
Interface ATAPI
Warranty 1 Year Parts & Labour

Pioneer's DVR-A05 drive doubles writing performance across the board with 4X DVD-R, 2X DVD-RW, 16X CD-R and 8X CD-RW capabilities. The new 4X DVD-R recording speed translates into approximately 15 minutes to fully record a high-speed 4.7 GB DVD-R disc.
Using data writing software bundled with the drive, the DVR-A05 also offers two-minute quick formatting for DVD-RW data discs, and allows finished DVD-RW discs to be "unfinalized" for writing additional data files. A DVD authoring tool and DVD/CD data recording application are also included with the drive, as well as blank 4X DVD-R and 2X DVD-RW discs.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:40 pm

Originally posted by rivas
he was asking which dvd burner is currently the best.Pioneer a05 is faaar faar away from to be the best.
and comparing with new SONY DRU, Sony owns.Car 15 if u wanna cheap and good burner buy Pioneer,if u want really good one get that Sony DRU.

Until JUST recently, Sony could not write 4X reliably. Of course, none of the magazines seemed to mention that when the drive was initially released. People come to forums often to hear from actual users of certain products. Not all magazines have it right.

I would give Sony the nod at this time ONLY for the recent improvement in firmware. Pioneer has been the industry standard for DVD writing for quite a while. They put out a quality drive that loses out to the Sony only for its lack of + format.

I put the question to you. Do you believe that multi matters? DVD-R is not going to disappear any time soon. In fact, blank production of "-" has been ramping upward at a logarithmic rate (read: cheap and available media. By the time the dust settles, blu ray will be readily available.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:16 pm

Originally posted by nepenthe
Until JUST recently, Sony could not write 4X reliably. Of course, none of the magazines seemed to mention that when the drive was initially released. People come to forums often to hear from actual users of certain products. Not all magazines have it right.

I would give Sony the nod at this time ONLY for the recent improvement in firmware. Pioneer has been the industry standard for DVD writing for quite a while. They put out a quality drive that loses out to the Sony only for its lack of + format.

I put the question to you. Do you believe that multi matters? DVD-R is not going to disappear any time soon. In fact, blank production of "-" has been ramping upward at a logarithmic rate (read: cheap and available media. By the time the dust settles, blu ray will be readily available.

Didnt know Sony couldnt write at 4x but my friend got this burner about 1 month ago and there was np with it.He loves it.
More players support the DVD+RW than DVD-RW ,hundreds more.
In fact if u look up compatibility charts at sites such as EzDVDAdvisor.com the list of players shows that about half are DVD-RW compatible,but nearly every player supports DVD+RW.
ALso in the same way that floppy lets u add new data anywhere on the disk,DVD+RW is a more robust format because it allows u write individual packets to the sectors on the disk.
It has now become a battle + vs - and not every consumer electronics drive supports both formats.Add to the mix third format DVD-RAM and u have mass confusion.DVD RAM lets u erase specific files in addition to adding new ones and write to the disc 100 000 times before seeing any degradation.Compared to the DVD-RW which lets u write to the disc only 1000 times before causing degradation,the DVD-RAM format has definately advantages for users that need store large amounts of data and keep it safe.There is also new format for audio,known as DVD-A (u said its function of software),developed primarly by the home theatre audio DTS.
Also Imagine scenario from everyday life.U pull up to the local gas station not knowing whether your vehicle uses regular octane or high octane,and then only while driving down the road and blowing up your engine do u realize u needed pure ethanol.This is current state of DVD recording.

MULTI definately does matter.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:25 pm

He didn't say it didn't matter. He was simply offering his recommendation on a solid DVD writer. The Sony one does have its advantages, as does the Pioneer. His reasons for why - is going to stick around are very valid, as price, of both the drives and the media, is a big factor.

Besides, while compatibility does vary from device to device, if a new DVD player can read +R, there's a damn good chance it'll read -R (and vice versa). From personal experience, I've only run into two DVD players that wouldn't play one of the formats, and in both cases, it was a + disc. Obviously that's not a blanket statement about compatibility, just what I've run into.

Microsoft's support of the + format MAY matter...but then again, PC DVD drives should have no problem reading either. And as David pointed out, by the time the dust settles, Blu-Ray or another DVD format may be the format of choice.

And by DVD+/-RW, I hope you mean DVD+/-R, as the R discs tend to be more compatible than the RW regardless (at least in the media I've tried).

And as far as DVD-RAM goes, its advantages don't even MATTER as its practically a dead format.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:32 pm

i know he didnt say it.But he was asking me what do i think about it .