Anyway to bypass using PPPoE?

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:41 am

Sounds funny, but one time my Eternet 300 software was acting up. My dsl software wasnt conneciton, so i rebooted.
Then all sudden im online after windows loads, without having to use any of the software, was sorta like a normal DSL connection.
Checked ipconfig, noticed it wasnt changing at all, static ip.
But connection wouldnt stay on for very long and ide have to reboot again.

Maybe if i got a modem that was made for static ips, i could?
Any ideas what i experienced?

So far SBC DSL has been the worst yet, PPPoE sux!

P.S. During that time, i took a line quality test at, Dslreports.com.
I usually get these sorta results: http://www.dslreports.com/speedresults/ ... a3/1039213

But during this weird experience, my Dsl speed increased abit, about 50k. Not much but why? and heres my line quality result, during this incident:http://www.dslreports.com/speedresults/ ... 85/1037406

Bob Carrick · Post by **Bob Carrick** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:04 am

If you are on PPPoE there is no way to avoid it. Get a router with built in PPPoE support, or a modem even, or different PPPoE software if you like.

EvilAjax · Post by **EvilAjax** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 1:34 pm

PPPoE doesn't suck for me. I've been using it for years now... it's great. I have it set so that it dials while Windows is booting up... that way I dont have to see the display progress or anything... it does it on it's own, automatically... "Always On" Never fails (fingers crossed and knocks on wood)

Use RASPPPoE bro and Windows XP... great combo.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:28 pm

What is rasppoe thing?? Ive always used XP pro till i found out how lame XP really was. So, im sticking to Win 2k pro.

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:45 pm

rasppoe is a client software to connect to ur dsl. From what i read its alot better then any other connection software.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:18 pm

I got Xp back on to give it a try lol. Ok, now what?
Got any links to the Raspppoe? What do i do now?

Bob Carrick · Post by **Bob Carrick** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:26 pm

Since you went back to XP just use the native PPPoE. It's built right in and IMO better.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:02 pm

TCP properties for IP = 0Browser/OS = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Note: Read the Analyzer FAQ if the above is not your IP address.

TCP options string = 020405a00103030201010402
MTU = 1480
MTU is optimized for Windows XP PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1440
MSS is optimized for Windows XP PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 255552
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 2 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 63888

For optimum performance, consider changing RWIN to a multiple of MSS.
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
506880 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
253440 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
126720 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63360 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 10222.08 kbps (1277.76 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 4088.832 kbps (511.104 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 57 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:53 pm

Hi ChrisW, your MTU is set right now, so now you need to set your other settings properly. Do the following:

Download the TCP Optimizer and try the following settings.

Settings tab:

select - DSL PPPoE
check - custom settings
network adapter selection - your NIC
check modify all adapters
maxmtu - 1480
TTL - 64
TCP Receive Window - 63360
MTU Discovery - yes
Black Hole Detect - no
Selective Acks - yes
Max Dup ACKs - 3
TCP 1323 Options - uncheck both boxes

Other Settings tab:

Max Connections per Server - 10
Max Connections per 1.0 Server - 20
Lan Browsing Speedup - optimized

Then select "Apply Changes" and reboot to take effect.

VERY IMPORTANT TO DO THE FOLLOWING

1. Under your LAN connection - properties - general tab, uninstall all the protocols there that you do not need.

2. Open IE and select tools - internet options - connections - LAN settings, make sure NOTHING there is checked.

3. Make sure you have the latest drivers for your NIC from the manufacturer. Set your NIC duplex mode to 10mb half duplex for Cable, for DSL it is ISP dependent unless you are using a router, if so then set it to 100mb full duplex for both Cable & DSL (the instructions are in my Help & Tips link). If you are using a router make sure you have the latest firmware.

4. Clear your temporary internet files.

5. Power cycle your modem, unplug it for atleast 15 seconds.

6. Download and update then do a scan with SpyBot 1.2 & Ad Aware 6.0 to remove any spyware then install and update SpywareBlaster 1.2 to stay spyware FREE. It is an ABSOLUTE MUST that you use BOTH Ad Aware 6.0 & SpyBot 1.2, don't think you are safe with just one of these apps since one will find what the other misses.

7. Make sure you do the faster web page tweak in my Help & Tips link.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:40 pm

TCP properties for IP = Browser/OS = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Note: Read the Analyzer FAQ if the above is not your IP address.

TCP options string = 020405a001010402
MTU = 1480
MTU is optimized for Windows XP PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1440
MSS is optimized for Windows XP PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 63360
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 63360

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
506880 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
253440 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
126720 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 2534.4 kbps (316.8 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1013.76 kbps (126.72 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 57 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:11 am

Your settings look great, how is your speed?

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:45 am

Not much different

... I usually got 1150 max not its like 1160-1170 little better but not much.
What i dont get is, SBC told me i was only 6k form CO> so shouldnt i get the 1500Kbps or so? Last isp i was 12k from CO and speeds were same as i am getting now. WTH???

Im gunna have to switch to Cox Cable soon as i can.
Friend gets 3-7Mbps and 900K upload with Cox

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:47 am

I agree Cox would be better, but your friend is wrong. I have Cox and my caps are 3000/256 - that's Cox's caps everywhere.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 2:41 am

Heres what he scored:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/60 ... 1050381412

Why did i order 1.5/128k and i only get 1150/108K?
Im only 6k form CO, but i see people 10K+ and they got like atleast 1500.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:22 am

I can show you the same thing

, but that isn't accurate. Unless he uncapped his speeds are capped at 3000/256, tell him to try the OOL FTP test in my Help & Tips link, it's much more accurate.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 11:40 pm

TCP properties for IP = Browser/OS = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Note: Read the Analyzer FAQ if the above is not your IP address.

TCP options string = 020405b401010402
MTU = 1500
MTU is fully optimized for broadband.
MSS = 1460
Maximum useful data in each packet = 1460, which equals MSS.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 17520
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 17520

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
513920 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
256960 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
128480 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64240 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 700.8 kbps (87.6 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 280.32 kbps (35.04 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
Consider increasing your RWIN value to optimize TCP/IP for broadband.
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 120 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

Its a friends Cable. I toldem to download ur tcp\ip registry fix will that help?...

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:19 pm

It should

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:53 am

Originally posted by ChrisW
Its a friends Cable. I toldem to download ur tcp\ip registry fix will that help?...

What are his ISPs caps and what OS is he using?

EvilAjax · Post by **EvilAjax** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 8:44 pm

http://www.raspppoe.com/

Unlike Native XP, you have the ability to use PPPoE's maximum 1492 setting. Not much of a difference to some.. It's also easy to use, and can be set to automatically dial while you boot up and log into Windows... you wont even notice it... you'll be instantly connected, ALWAYS... web browsing is just a click away

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:42 am

I installed the PPPoE protocol if thats what u mean. How do i set it to sign on for me?

Just wondering if this looks ok for gaming since thats like 95% of the reason i have DSL.

Win Xp
SBC ADSL 1.5/128K Package (PPPoE)
Of course i dont actially get that. (i see bout 1174)

TCP properties for IP = XXXXXXXXXXXXX (adsl-XXXXXXXXXX.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net)
Browser/OS = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Note: Read the Analyzer FAQ if the above is not your IP address.

TCP options string = 020405a001010402
MTU = 1480
MTU is optimized for Windows XP PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1440
MSS is optimized for Windows XP PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 63360
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 63360

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
506880 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of
253440 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
126720 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 2534.4 kbps (316.8 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1013.76 kbps (126.72 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 57 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:00 am

http://dslnuts.com/pppoe.shtml remove all enternet software. first but the guide will show ya

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:24 pm

Im not sure i understand or see anything telling me how to erase anything. Enternet software>? like Eternet 300? I never installed any of my SBC yahoo software. Im using the windows built in PPPoE.

Oh i noticed i cant change my MTU above 1480 because of the winPPPoE, correct? If u have anything that explains how to do this alittle clearer that would be helpful lol.

Thanks

EvilAjax · Post by **EvilAjax** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:58 pm

These are my current settings under Windows XP, using RASPPPoE w/ Verizon DSL.

MTU = 1492
MTU is optimized for PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1452
MSS is optimized for PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 31944
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 31944

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63888 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1277.76 kbps (159.72 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 511.104 kbps (63.888 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 49 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 01011100

Precedence (priority) = 100 (flash override)
Delay = 1 (low delay)
Throughput = 1 (high throughput)
Reliability = 0 (normal reliability)
Cost = 1 (low cost)

Advertised speeds: 768/128kbps
My speeds: 738/135kbps

I see most of my cap with RASPPPoE. Using WinXPPPoE I only saw 725kbps downloads. Not much of a difference... but anything is anything.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:26 pm

I installed the protocol thing. But i cant seem to override the mtu, which is stuck at 1480.

piranha · Post by **piranha** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:05 pm

Did you delete your XP pppoe connection and create a new one as explained in raspppoe readme

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:28 pm

I deleted the connnection, then created a new one, yes.
Was i suppose to do that b4 i installed the new Raspppoe?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:37 am

Originally posted by ChrisW
I installed the protocol thing. But i cant seem to override the mtu, which is stuck at 1480.

That is the proper MTU for PPPoE in XP.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:49 pm

Well now i get one guy saying thats ok, and other saying use raspppoe to turn MTU to its max for pppoe.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:00 pm

The proper MTU values are as follows:

56K - 1500
Cable & Normal DSL - 1500
DSL PPPoE - 1492
XP PPPoE DSL - 1480 (if using built in PPPoE setup) 1492 if you are not.

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:01 pm

it is vvvvvvv.easy
folow our GURU advice (from your thread)
Bob Carrick 04-15-03 12:26 AM
Since you went back to XP
just use the native PPPoE. It's built right in and IMO better.
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mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:06 pm

Chirs it works like this some ppl get the 1492 some ppl are stuck to the 1480 either way works

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:40 am

Here you go guys:

Look great now doesnt it?

SpeedGuide.net TCP/IP Analyzer

TCP properties for IP = Browser/OS = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
Note: Read the Analyzer FAQ if the above is not your IP address.

TCP options string = 020405ac01010402
MTU = 1492
MTU is optimized for PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1452
MSS is optimized for PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 31680
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 31680

For optimum performance, consider changing RWIN to a multiple of MSS.
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63888 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1267.2 kbps (158.4 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 506.88 kbps (63.36 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 58 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 11101000

Precedence (priority) = 000 (routine)
Delay = 1 (low delay)
Throughput = 0 (normal throughput)
Reliability = 1 (high reliability)
Cost = 1 (low cost)

EvilAjax · Post by **EvilAjax** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:10 am

Yup, looking great. How are your speeds?

Try using an RWIN that's a multiple of your MSS (1452)

Try 31944 or 34848

Did you set it up so that it automatically connects when you start your computer? The instructions come in the readme it brings.

Post your feedback.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:04 pm

Speed jumped bout 10k. I got it to auto connect on start up.
Now all thats left to do is the dsl wiring idea from dslnuts.com

mccoffee · Post by **mccoffee** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:28 pm

chris let me know abou the rewirring i'm about to do that myself private message me or aim me at pepchild11.

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:47 pm

Hey i added u to my aim, btw.
Ok, here my test results on my Win 2k pro system
I think its looking good now.
The pc we just tweaked was my second one which was XP just to let u know.

TCP properties for IP = Browser/OS = Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; yie6_SBCDSL; sbcydsl 3.12; YComp 5.0.0.0)
Note: Read the Analyzer FAQ if the above is not your IP address.

TCP options string = 020405ac0103030001010402
MTU = 1492
MTU is optimized for PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1452
MSS is optimized for PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 31944
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 31944

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63888 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 1277.76 kbps (159.72 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 511.104 kbps (63.888 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 57 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

EvilAjax · Post by **EvilAjax** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:44 pm

great job.

If you think you can still squeeze more juice out of your connection, you can try other RWIN values that are a multiple of your MSS. Try smaller values, they tend to work better for PPPoE connections.

10k more is better than 10k less

ChrisW · Post by **ChrisW** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:04 am

I ran test speed and it didnt make it slower. Should i increase it back up abit or leave it as is?

MTU = 1492
MTU is optimized for PPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for optimal throughput.
MSS = 1452
MSS is optimized for PPPoE DSL broadband. If not, consider raising MTU to 1500 for maximum throughput.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 15972
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 15972

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
511104 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
255552 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
127776 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
63888 (MSS x 44)
bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 638.88 kbps (79.86 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 255.552 kbps (31.944 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
Consider increasing your RWIN value to optimize TCP/IP for broadband.
MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
Time to live left = 57 hops

TTL value is ok.
Timestamps (RFC1323) = OFF
Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = ON
IP type of service field (RFC1349) = 00000000

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:10 am

your actual settings (w2k; PPPoE; dwl 1500kbps):
...MTU = 1492; MSS = 1452; RWIN = 15972...
so RWIN=11*MSS
IMVHO is good for 128 or 256kbps

RWIN depends on CAPS & ping
from last result
...Your RcvWindow limits you to: 638.88 kbps (79.86 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 255.552 kbps (31.944 KBytes/s) @ 500ms...

so with your CAPS>1500kbps
RWIN=44*1460=63888 (MSS x 44) will be the best

EvilAjax · Post by **EvilAjax** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:03 pm

Just keep trying values. Whenever you think you get the best results, keep it that way.

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