I hate my school admin

C-S wanna be · Post by **C-S wanna be** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:45 am

He hates me and i hate him. Me and my friends all hate him cuz he does nothing but block the sites i touch. basically 90% of URLS i type into the address bar gets block about 2 minutes later, literally. Hes blocked my own personal website (keep in mind our filter doesnt block it so he does his little Proxy Denied!). This dudes on a power trip and we need to end it.. Im waiting for the day for him to start blocking search engines, either on accident or on purpose because i use google everyday.

porkchop · Post by **porkchop** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 9:50 am

go to the school website and see if he's stupid enough to block it

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:31 am

Originally posted by C-S wanna be
He hates me and i hate him. Me and my friends all hate him cuz he does nothing but block the sites i touch. basically 90% of URLS i type into the address bar gets block about 2 minutes later, literally. Hes blocked my own personal website (keep in mind our filter doesnt block it so he does his little Proxy Denied!). This dudes on a power trip and we need to end it.. Im waiting for the day for him to start blocking search engines, either on accident or on purpose because i use google everyday.

I remember those days when I was a student assistant to the admin and had the number to the guy who was responsible for blocking sites...

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:38 am

remote.proxy

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:08 am

God forbid you actually do something in school besides get online.

ARS · Post by **ARS** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:14 pm

Originally posted by Burke
God forbid you actually do something in school besides get online.

Sarcasm Burke? Not needed. Schools now-a-days are all about Internet. Classes/Free time. Every computer in schools all have Internet access. Addiction? Damn right. If you are addicted to cigarettes and they let you smoke, damn right they would smoke. You are addicted to the internet, damn right you going to get on.

Anthony

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:20 pm

It's the idea of entitlement that irks me. These kids feel like they should be able to surf to whatever site they want or, as I've seen here in recent weeks, install whatever game they want, and then they get pissed when the admin blocks them. Ridiculous. You're at school. Shut up and read your textbooks, you cretins.

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:29 pm

Originally posted by Burke
It's the idea of entitlement that irks me. These kids feel like they should be able to surf to whatever site they want or, as I've seen here in recent weeks, install whatever game they want, and then they get pissed when the admin blocks them. Ridiculous. You're at school. Shut up and read your textbooks, you cretins.

Tis the old generation looking at the new... I think...

Remember when the time schools started having school bus.. and the old folks say.. the old days.. we used to walk to school... everyday at least 2 miles! even in the winter! now u get all the luxuries... and if the school bus don't pick u up.. say a bad weather day.. u stay home.... u have to walk to school and study!

Even the food in the school now are different... some have fast food chains... the schools recieve money in return and they could use it to provide the students with comp and internet access...

And so on... I will prolly complain when I grow older about how the kids don't actually have to leave the house to go to school since they all go to school virtually.. and such... maybe someday..

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:31 pm

It's not a generational thing. It's about kids complaining that they don't get to d!ck off at school because of "mean" administrators.

ARS · Post by **ARS** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:33 pm

Where I do agree with you Burke, but you SHOULD be able to go to any site(Rated PG13) You should see the test's they make us do in ALL Florida. Test that we HAVE to pass.. that take days to complete. Now that is bull****, imo. Test that show no real IQ. Just to see if you can take tests well. Bull****, imo. Give tthe students a break.

And for the poster here, you can get him back easy. PM me.

Anthony

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:35 pm

Originally posted by Burke
It's not a generational thing. It's about kids complaining that they don't get to d!ck off at school because of "mean" administrators.

I'm sure everyone has complained.. specially when we were teens.. come on.. don't tell me u haven't complained... or rebeled agaisnt something when u were a teen...

not just speaking of the internet.. I mean of something that u have taken for granted and people don't let u have it... and u complain....

I think.. I don't know anymore..

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:38 pm

Originally posted by ARS
Where I do agree with you Burke, but you SHOULD be able to go to any site(Rated PG13) You should see the test's they make us do in ALL Florida. Test that we HAVE to pass.. that take days to complete. Now that is bull****, imo. Test that show no real IQ. Just to see if you can take tests well. Bull****, imo. Give tthe students a break.

And for the poster here, you can get him back easy. PM me.

No, you SHOULDN'T be able to go to any site you want. A public school is paid for by the taxpayers, of which I am one. If little Johnny wants to surf non-study-related material and websites, he can do it on his own time at home. Web-accessible PCs in schools are used more and more as babysitters by those teachers who are interested in just getting a paycheck rather than actually instructing, encouraging and making their students strive to gain knowledge.

Tests are a part of school, regardless of how long or arduous they are. Busy work and regurgitation tests are the hallmark of public education...of course your true intellect won't be challenged.

I don't want to "get him back." I am just making a point.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:40 pm

ahh, There is a way to get around it all

This way is the easiest.

Go to http://www.surfola.com and that gets around it

If he blocks that, go to http://www.altavista.com and go to translate. Translate the page from spanish to english, and it wont be able to, but it will mirror the page still to an alternate altavista adress

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:41 pm

Originally posted by Immortal
I'm sure everyone has complained.. specially when we were teens.. come on.. don't tell me u haven't complained... or rebeled agaisnt something when u were a teen...

not just speaking of the internet.. I mean of something that u have taken for granted and people don't let u have it... and u complain....

I think.. I don't know anymore..

Immortal, this isn't about teen rebellion. It's about kids bitching and moaning because their admin won't let them surf wherever they want to go. It's SCHOOL, not a ****ing LAN party.

ARS · Post by **ARS** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:52 pm

Did I mention games? No I didn't. My taxes I pay for go to these TESTS I TAKE. BS. Simple as that. That is my point. Not no LAN party's. You/ME get finished with work early and have nothing else to do because you are advanced in every class, WHY NOT surf the web. Darn right I will

Anyways, I am right work and almost time for lunch.

Anthony

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 12:57 pm

Originally posted by ARS
Did I mention games? No I didn't. My taxes I pay for go to these TESTS I TAKE. BS. Simple as that. That is my point. Not no LAN party's. You/ME get finished with work early and have nothing else to do because you are advanced in every class, WHY NOT surf the web. Darn right I will Anyways, I am right work and almost time for lunch.

Anthony

I was just using it as an example.

Regardless, I don't care how "advanced" you are. You're at school to study and learn. If you're done with your work, find something else to do that's is drectly school-related. It's not free reign time once you've finished your multiplication tables.

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:09 pm

I got an idea....

let me first elaborate on a concept that I picked up somewhere here on SG. I don't remember who posted it exactly, so kudos to SG as a whole for it.

Combined decimal IP Addresses (for lack of a better term I'll call them that). You probably do know that aside from the hostname - let's use forums.speedguide.net as example - you can also enter the numerical IP address in the address bar to reach a server, 63.217.30.71 to continue the example. BUT, there is another way, which few people actually are aware of.Combined decimal IP addresses. Not too difficult to figure out, but unpractical enough that is isn't widely used.

First, understand that the numerical IP address, 63.217.30.71, is a series of four bytes. The bytes are expressed in the decimal system, but individually. You can get a single decimal number that has the same uniqueness as the sequence of four values between 0 and 255, which is convertable and fully understood by your browser.

Convert each byte indivdually to hexadecimal. You can use the simple Windows calculator for that purpose (switch to the scientific view).

63=3F
217=D9
30=1E
71=47

Now, put all those hex-digits in sequence, 3FD91E47, and convert this number back into decimal: 1071193671. You can enter this number as address in your browser, and it will actually take you to the SG forums.

Depending on how he blocks sites:

- if he cannot block this type of URL, continue to browse happily
- if he does block this type, browse google and your schools homepage with this type of URL, maybe he won't figure what he's blocking........

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:12 pm

I suppose we at work should make it so everyone should be able to get to any site they want too? If you get a project done on time you should be able to go to any website you want right?

gambling sites, AIM, Yahoo mail and messeging. don't worry about taking bandwidth away from something that actually needs it right. Because after all, you're done. Why should you worry about someone else.

I agree with burke. The admin has the right and reason most of the time to block sites. You talk about your personal website being blocked. so what, you know whats there already. No need for it unless you're updating it from school which IMHO should not be allowed.

Internet surfing is a huge problem in the workplace, with all the virii and trojans and gatorlike crap that can be picked up many things should and are blocked.

Blocking people from surfing there day away is part of an admins job. Don't like it? become one.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:13 pm

If anything is ever blocked, they should be required to justify and articulate a REASON for it. Something beyond, I'm a condescending controlling ass and feel like using the power I've been unwisely handed. This is somewhat similar to the ridiculous net blocking you see at some jobs. If you get your job done well, it shouldn't matter what you're looking at.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:17 pm

Originally posted by torsten
If you get your job done well, it shouldn't matter what you're looking at.

que?

so at work on a limited bandwidth where valid business reasons require some of that, everyone should be able to do what they want and take bandwidth from other things?

that right there is a valid reason to block any and all non-work related sights.

Business' don't pay the monthly T1 rates to allow people to surf where ever they want.

add in the mentioned above security risk of non technical people downloading gator and the likes on a daily basis and you're doing nothing but asking for trouble.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:23 pm

WELLLLL?

SOMEBODY ARGUE WITH ME!!!!!!!

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:25 pm

Someone has a T1 connection and complains about people looking at a personal website as if they're some big bandwidth hog? Please.

If the Co. or school actually is experiencing bandwidth problems, limiting access to the few places that tax the system seems reasonable. But not this pointless, punitive, controlling crap.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:32 pm

Originally posted by torsten
Someone has a T1 connection and complains about people looking at a personal website as if they're some big bandwidth hog? Please.

If the Co. or school actually is experiencing bandwidth problems, limiting access to the few places that tax the system seems reasonable. But not this pointless, punitive, controlling crap.

it adds up though torsten, especially if you are paying for bandwidth above a certain point. If everyone did it, than it's not so small and pointless.

everything adds up. cost to support problems because someone downloaded something they shouldn't have, cost of bandwidth, lost time due to people goofing around, and if they go to gambling sites the business can be held partially responsible because everything is originating from their servers.

You have to look at the whole picture and the cost it has to the business.

I agree, one person does not cause the problem, but it is never just one person.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:48 pm

Originally posted by Burke
It's the idea of entitlement that irks me. These kids feel like they should be able to surf to whatever site they want or, as I've seen here in recent weeks, install whatever game they want, and then they get pissed when the admin blocks them. Ridiculous. You're at school. Shut up and read your textbooks, you cretins.

I COMPLETELY agree Burke. I know ALOT of people that go to the computer labs JUST to play games

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:52 pm

The gambling issue I'll take your word for. Fine to block that. But to me the rest seems exaggerated. I know people who work at places that have NO restrictions on net usage. They trust their employees with their time. Of course, if they don't do their job, their employment may be short-lived. That goes for any reason, not just net-before-job priorities.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:00 pm

Is there internet access in every class or just in certain areas? Seems like he's just banning every site that he feels like. I wonder what his guidelines are, and what would happen if it was brought up at the next PTA meeting?

I do know that when people are goofing off online it causes slow downs for everybody else doing thier work. I was at a client's office the other day trying to download an update that would take two hours, when I was asked why by the manager, I told him he was out of bandwidth. He decided to walk around and see why, people where streaming music, playing games on-line and just goofing off in general.

Now he wants me to go around and uninstall any thing on the pc that is not needed for thier job. Such as games, instant messaging, spyware, winmx. Some of the people download music all day, then they want to bitch about how long it takes to check thier email.

People seem to forget that a pc is a tool for thier job, not a device to goof off with. The company owns the pc and it's thier right to tell you what you can and can't do with it.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:13 pm

It seems that the key concept here is "within reason."

Employeers wouldn't have a problem like running out of bandwidth if their employees were able to keep their usage in check.

A bit of music is one thing, a ton is another. Use a P2P and all your bandwidth can go right out the door.

Schoolwise is another thing altogether IMO. It's been a while since I was in school and I didn't have any trouble killing free time...hell, I was in school...I didn't HAVE any free time.

It does sound like the admin is taking things a bit too far, but perhaps he's been told to do so by others. Maybe he dislikes you and is doing it personally. Are other students allowed to access their homepages?

ARS · Post by **ARS** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:16 pm

Another thing, the network we have o base is extremely fast ad has plenty of bandwith for all. Once me and my partner in crime finish, damn right we got on games. Is it right? I think it is. We are assigned so much work a day, we work our asses off and then we have fun. Problem? Not at all. SAME THING AT SCHOOL. That is what I am pushing here. You are finished with work you know you need relief. We are not cyborgs, Burke.(Maybe Brett, but that's another story

)

Anyways, back to work I go,

Anthony

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:16 pm

Torsten, have you ever worked for a company or gone to a school that by lunch, the network was pretty much useles?

Both my high schools were like this. Durring lunch, people would go into a lab and start large downloads, this then chocked off the bandwidth for everyone and cause MAJOR fires in my firt highschool.

When I got to my networking class, I would have huge lists to get done in an hour...most times I would finish up the next day day at lunch.

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:49 pm

There is a student today who asked me if they could come down and play games on the computer during another class. HELL NO !!

Either way... I agree with both sides. If you are a stellar student, get all A's and have 100% everything done for school, then I think you can come in and use a computer. Especially some of these kids who don't even have a computer at home. I let them use them if they are like the above described student. If not, I tell them to go study or read.

Also... for the whole AltaVista idea of translating the page, it works to a point.

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:51 pm

I agree with everything that's been said about it being wrong to download files and browse websites and stuffs. School is to learn and not browse the internet..

but here's an idea for C-S Wannabe..

Why don't you try to outsmart your admin..

back when I was still in school we basically fought with our Tech Coordinator daily..

We'd install Quake 1 on the machines in Pascal Programing Class and we'd play during class..he'd try to find the game and delete it, but we were MUCH smarter than him..alt-tab when he walked by.
We'd hide Quake in the folders and stuffs...

anyways, I say try to outsmart him and as long as your not doing anything illegal (porn sites) you will just piss him off and he wont be able to do anything about it..

glasgowprince · Post by **glasgowprince** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:11 pm

Ahh the says of alt-tab........

Shame NOC Sys Admins like me have things like SMS and DameWare....

We dont need to walk around, we just look at your screen, you dont even know we're there, and if we want to, we can shut it down immediatly and take control of the PC, and there is nothing you can do about it

Life as a NOC sys admin for one of the worlds largest financial institutions.... WE're the guys who can play game

Why? We run the servers, we run the entire network...

just call me God

hehehehehe

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:14 pm

our Tech Coordinator was a teacher as well..
didn't have much time to look at the servers and check out screens and stuffs..

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:15 pm

Originally posted by glasgowprince
Ahh the says of alt-tab........

Shame NOC Sys Admins like me have things like SMS and DameWare....

We dont need to walk around, we just look at your screen, you dont even know we're there, and if we want to, we can shut it down immediatly and take control of the PC, and there is nothing you can do about it

Life as a NOC sys admin for one of the worlds largest financial institutions.... WE're the guys who can play game

Why? We run the servers, we run the entire network...

just call me God hehehehehe

Until I get a crackin' in DOS and remove all of your fancy tools and toys, or bring in my own boot disk and have a field day with my OS that you can't even fathom on how it works, let alone what I can do with it.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:24 pm

Originally posted by CiscoKid
Torsten, have you ever worked for a company or gone to a school that by lunch, the network was pretty much useles?

No, my HS was so controlling that the computers were pretty useless because people weren't ALLOWED to really use them except during approved times. What with the blocking, filtering, and monitoring, your internet experience was very limited. Thankfully I had a computer at home. They would even stand behind you and WATCH in the library. Were they guardians of precious bandwidth? No. Were they protecting against viruses? No. They were simply puritanically censoring content that they (and the local fundementalist religious brigade) deemed evil. I really felt like doing physical harm to those slimeballs (and did what I could to cause them problems in other areas).

Yes, I can see a point if there are true bandwidth hogs that are slowing the system to a crawl, but if that's the case, attack the PROBLEM and ONLY the problem. Don't go around punitively blocking sites and such.

I would say that I've learned as much or more with my personal time on the internet than I learned in 70% of my classes. And that's a sad thing.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:24 pm

Let me just clarify my position a little.

I do not agree that the sys admin of anything should be just blocking stuff for no good reason.

I absolutely agree that a little surfing, as humboldt put it- "within reason" is fine.

BUT, if there is a problem or a pattern admins due have the right to shut down any and all access to sites that could potentially cause a problem.

as for p2p stuff from work or school. I believe they should be totally blocked, on a security risk basis if not a bandwidth issue.

greEd · Post by **greEd** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:26 pm

Originally posted by Paft
Until I get a crackin' in DOS and remove all of your fancy tools and toys, or bring in my own boot disk and have a field day with my OS that you can't even fathom on how it works, let alone what I can do with it.

1337!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

glasgowprince · Post by **glasgowprince** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:28 pm

Originally posted by Paft
Until I get a crackin' in DOS and remove all of your fancy tools and toys, or bring in my own boot disk and have a field day with my OS that you can't even fathom on how it works, let alone what I can do with it.

That's assuming you have a floppy drive on your machine to put it in

As for what we have, with Policies, Active Directory and Admin Logins, you cant stop what I do, short of pulling your cable out the wall. It's the only way you can prevent me from controlling your system. Then what goods it to you?

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:29 pm

Originally posted by greEd
1337!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please look up "Hal97 + Linux + Boot Disk" on Google. My post will make more sense then.

As to the subject.. an Admin has a job to protect the systems from misuse. Misuse is just that.. use of the systems that should not be allowed. Gaming, P2P, Movie sites, ect.. should not be allowed. But if it cannot be proven that a site has no legitimate educational value, then it should not be blocked. (EG: Stickdeath.com should be blocked. Whitehouse.org should not.)

That's my stance on it.

greEd · Post by **greEd** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:30 pm

That's assuming you have a floppy drive on your machine to put it in

or simply master locking the system, so as not to clear the cmos jumper setting a strong bios password, and disabling floppy at the "up" all together.

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