Should Timothy Mcveigh Die For His Crimes?

yurka · Post by **yurka** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:51 pm

Should Timothy McVeigh die for his crimes?
Why not? Who needs him?
…what do you think about the situation?
What situation?

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frustrated Yurka

SeedOfChaos · Post by **SeedOfChaos** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:09 pm

I am usually not for capital punishment, but if the guy really wants to die, give him a razor blade and leave him alone in his tiny cell with only little light and no food or water. Cheap and effective. Be sure to coat the blade with salt

Why keep alive at the costs of the tax payer if he WANTS to die?

Anyhow, you guys will handle it your way.

Cheers,
Ronald

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:53 pm

Daaaaammmn. And all this coming from a guy who does not believe in capital punishment?

He converted....Welcome out of the closet.

RicRogue

Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:19 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
There should be no death penalty. There should be no jail sentence. There should be no society. Outcasts are created by being excluded from society, broken and torn over and over again until all that remain are scars. Their only way out is to repay those who hurt them, everyone. It's too late now, since you say he's already dead. Just my opinion.

Crack out the acrylics and paint me impressed. A very thoughtful observation. To the vengeful masses, read your bible. No one has the right to kill anyone.

It costs more to put a convict though the court system for a death penalty than to let him rot in jail. Put him in the hole for life and let the tortured screams of his victim keep the wretch company.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:36 pm

Originally posted by Heaven_No:
A very thoughtful observation. To the vengeful masses, read your bible. No one has the right to kill anyone.

That is where you're wrong my friend. After the great flood, Noah made a pact with God, and in that pact, the laws that us as humans in general, not as a religious sect, was established. And in that pact, God gave man the authority to take a life, if a life has been taken.

Genesis Ch. 9 Verse 6:

Whoso sheddedth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed

And those words were spoken by the Almighty himself. I didn't wanna turn this into a religious thread, but when the Bible is misinterpreted, I must say something

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Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 5:52 pm

Originally posted by Prey521:
That is where you're wrong my friend. After the great flood, Noah made a pact with God, and in that pact, the laws that us as humans in general, not as a religious sect, was established. And in that pact, God gave man the authority to take a life, if a life has been taken

Genesis Ch. 9 Verse 6:

Whoso sheddedth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed

And those words were spoken by the Almighty himself. I didn't wanna turn this into a religious thread, but when the Bible is misinterpreted, I must say something .

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Good quote. However it is Pre-Judiac law. The story of Noah is based on Sumerian legends. The law changes... especially in the New Testament. I should have been a bit more careful in my words.

Find me a quote on who shall judge.

Since I caught the ear of the pious. You are aware that the punishment for not keeping the Sabbath is death.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:07 pm

Yes, the quote was from the Old Testament, and things have changed since, BUT, the Covenant between God and Noah was for all man, for all time, not for a specified period of time or for until society changes. It was an everlasting pact, and one that holds true till this day.

Genesis Ch. 9 Verse 16

And the bow shall be made in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon this earth.

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mikemean406 · Post by **mikemean406** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:09 pm

AMEN!

Good points both of you

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:49 pm

Think about it, those saying he should be shot, toasted, or even blown up! That's putting yourself at his level, you arses. He had his motives, god knows what they may be - and your motive to want to see him...destroyed is because he took the lives of others. Come on people. The death penalty should be abolished. It just isn't right, not saying blowing 168 people up is right too. A good 80% of those who replied here are wrong, and I think if they read over their posts they'd realize it. Think.

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boom. shakes head.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:03 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
Think about it, those saying he should be shot, toasted, or even blown up! That's putting yourself at his level, you arses. He had his motives, god knows what they may be - and your motive to want to see him...destroyed is because he took the lives of others. Come on people. The death penalty should be abolished. It just isn't right, not saying blowing 168 people up is right too. A good 80% of those who replied here are wrong, and I think if they read over their posts they'd realize it. Think.

magg · Post by **magg** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:11 pm

hmmmmmmmmmm...

nope, all terrorists should be executed.

sitosterol · Post by **sitosterol** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:22 pm

I've read most of the posts in here and I think everyone should be held responsible for there actions.

They need a pair a pliars and a blowtorch ta get midevil on his a$$.

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striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:31 pm

burn the fvcker, no one has the right to kill 180 people and not die themselves, i don't care what religeon teachs what about whatever, if you violate the rights of others (their life), you shouldn't be granted rights (your life)

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:32 pm

I am my own god, and my god told me to kill all who blow up children!

After the bombing accurred some government guy got on the tv and said to everyone that, "u can abuse the men in this nation, u can kill the men in this nation, u can do other horrible thigns to teh men as well, but touch teh women and children in a manor we dont like and u will DIE"

And its true, if u hurt women or children in this country u pay a heavier price, this is one thing i believe in and stand by. This man is lucky we didnt decide to kill him over a ten year process of torture!

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mouse · Post by **mouse** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:59 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
Think about it, those saying he should be shot, toasted, or even blown up! That's putting yourself at his level, you arses. He had his motives, god knows what they may be - and your motive to want to see him...destroyed is because he took the lives of others. Come on people. The death penalty should be abolished. It just isn't right, not saying blowing 168 people up is right too. A good 80% of those who replied here are wrong, and I think if they read over their posts they'd realize it. Think.

Let me be the first to say that I was insulted by your post! Shame on you! I can certianly respect your prolife view but to call me an arse was uncalled for. As far as my Motive in having him executed is very simple and has nothing to do with revenge: He simply has proven that he has nothing to offer the human race, he has shown his disregaurd for anything but himself, and his determination to do as he please's. For this he need's to removed from the Human Race. He is in the trustest sence of the word a Natrual Born Killer.

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Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:16 pm

Mouse,

It's fruitless arguing with those whom have a narrow mind, so don't waste your time.

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:17 pm

PREY. Narrow Minded eh? Look at all of you saying KILL HIM. It's like it's become trendy on this thread - you're cool to say kill Timothy! The world is falling apart, but not because of murder.

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boom. shakes head.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:20 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
PREY. Narrow Minded eh? Look at all of you saying KILL HIM. It's like it's become trendy on this thread - you're cool to say kill Timothy! The world is falling apart, but not because of murder.

don't call other people idiots for what they think. its an opinionated topic, and there can't be one correct answer, you should know that.

exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:24 pm

Ofcourse you can't be right all the time, you can never be right to anything because there is always another way to handle things. Death is not the answer, even if Timothy resorted to it. Sure, it's wrong for him to kill people but killing him is similar. No, those who think he should die and expect him to rot in hell don't think they're wrong, I should have included a small piece to the end of my "OFFENSIVE" post which is..."IMO". I think if you looked at things the...mature way you'd realize that death is never the answer...ever. Yeah, I'm 13. Who cares, my opinions are strong and I'll stick ot them. Abolish the death penalty.

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boom. shakes head.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:25 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
PREY. Narrow Minded eh? Look at all of you saying KILL HIM. It's like it's become trendy on this thread - you're cool to say kill Timothy! The world is falling apart, but not because of murder.

So if i came to ur house and raped ur mother(or sister, or daughter) and made u watch and then began to feed her, her own bowl movement, then tied her up and gave her an enema(sp) and cut her open and into pieces, would i deserve to live?

I hope not!!!

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:27 pm

That's pretty gruesome. No you shouldn't die, you just need serious help. I'd feel comfortable knowing that my innocent mother will be resting in heaven. I would be crushed, and grossed out but understand "GOD" gave us the power to kill eachother and the ability for some of us to be totally (*#(*#(*@)*#$()#*)($*#@)($*#@(*$)#(@*$#)(@ed in the head, he did it for a reason.

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boom. shakes head.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:37 pm

wow, maybee taking paxil messed up the logic part of your brain exesion. is that a known side effect or did i just discover one?

Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:39 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
Think about it, those saying he should be shot, toasted, or even blown up! That's putting yourself at his level, you arses. He had his motives, god knows what they may be - and your motive to want to see him...destroyed is because he took the lives of others. Come on people. The death penalty should be abolished. It just isn't right, not saying blowing 168 people up is right too. A good 80% of those who replied here are wrong, and I think if they read over their posts they'd realize it. Think.

ex....

Do not get angry or frustrated. Insulting people will only invalidate any point you make. We are all friends here. Some of us will have different interpretations and points of view.

I will say that the sadistic ways the pro-execution folks are taking is a bit disturbing. Innocent people taking a life should not be a vicious affair.

Prey,

The New Testament changes so many of the Old Testament laws (One's of great importance I might add.), I am some what shocked to hear you quote from it.
I would like to say, I do respect the opinions of those who want to see him die. To actually be a parent of someone slain by this animal would be horrific. I believe, though, letting him live alone in a cell would be a better punishment and also keeps the innocents hands clean.

mouse · Post by **mouse** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:42 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
No, those who think he should die and expect him to rot in hell don't think they're wrong, I should have included a small piece to the end of my "OFFENSIVE" post which is..."IMO". I think if you looked at things the...mature way you'd realize that death is never the answer...ever. Yeah, I'm 13. Who cares, my opinions are strong and I'll stick ot them. Abolish the death penalty.

exesion I applaude your devotion to your view's but what I think what has upset people on this thread, is the name calling "arse" and implying that those of us who have a different view then your's are being immature, since if we were mature we would see thing's your way. Also it is sometimes wise to add IMO to our posting so that other people do not feel that they are being attacked by the person posting. but again this is IMO

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It is better to be hated for what you are, then loved for what you are not.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:42 pm

Ur god gave u nothing. Ur beliefs of ur religon are based on a man who most likely brought drugs into that area of teh world, and probably made teh story up of teh bible. 40 years of slavery? yeah the "straightening up period"

"God is my shepard he protects me from all evil" ...

Yeah, God is my doormat, i walk on him at least twice a day.

no one deserves to be called god if they let someone do what i mentioned above, and as teh god of my body i would kill him in the name of humanity!

yes its human to kill, it human to hate, its human to seek revenge. they arent lusts, or sins or anythign like that, they are true and instinc... i asume ur GOD gave us that too.

After reading mouse's post i would like to add IMO(this isnt ment to change ur belief, just to see mine)
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Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:58 pm

Originally posted by YARDofSTUF:
Ur god gave u nothing. Ur beliefs of ur religon are based on a man who most likely brought drugs into that area of teh world, and probably made teh story up of teh bible. 40 years of slavery? yeah the "straightening up period"

"God is my shepard he protects me from all evil" ...

Yeah, God is my doormat, i walk on him at least twice a day.

no one deserves to be called god if they let someone do what i mentioned above, and as teh god of my body i would kill him in the name of humanity!

yes its human to kill, it human to hate, its human to seek revenge. they arent lusts, or sins or anythign like that, they are true and instinc... i asume ur GOD gave us that too.

After reading mouse's post i would like to add IMO(this isnt ment to change ur belief, just to see mine)

Actually, religion tries to teach us not to follow our animal insticts, to be civilized.

We know your beliefs. The minority is trying to defend their opinions.

This was meant to be a nasty thread. I only hope that we have the common sense not to discuss the abortion issue.

Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:00 pm

Originally posted by striderf1:
wow, maybee taking paxil messed up the logic part of your brain exesion. is that a known side effect or did i just discover one?

don't be mean.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:03 pm

i was hoping no one would use that word...

but let me say that i was a practicing christian for 11 years. after that time i relized my religon was based on a great idea. but the ppl who belived it were(and are) too strong and use their religon to ban and block things, block things even to others with different beliefs.

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fanta · Post by **fanta** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:12 pm

It might very well be good ol Uncle Sam's fault for all those people getting killed in Oklahoma.
We may never know, but theres a good possibility that the feds purposely burned down the Branch Davidian on purpose...killing everyone inside.
If they would have let the Texas police handle the situation when it first started, instead of using their brute force and military tactics, this chain of events wouldnt have happened!!!!
Dont worry guys, I in no way support Mcveigh, and whatever he gets he rightfully deserves...just wanted to put out some food for thought
Mcveigh was probably thinking the same thing you guys are... "an eye for an eye...a tooth for a tooth.
This thinking causes more problems than good!
Just my 2 cents ...

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:18 pm

Strider, that was uncalled for. All the words I have to say to you would get blocked out, but that was a horrible statement to make. That's right along there with suggesting we kill all the terrorists. What defines a terrorist from a civilian, or a "counter-terrorist". T's and CT's are both killers. Fighting crime only makes more of it.

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boom. shakes head.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:23 pm

exestion, what is ur religon, and how firmly do u follow it?

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striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:26 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
Strider, that was uncalled for. All the words I have to say to you would get blocked out, but that was a horrible statement to make. That's right along there with suggesting we kill all the terrorists. What defines a terrorist from a civilian, or a "counter-terrorist". T's and CT's are both killers. Fighting crime only makes more of it.

i said that to get my point through. you don't like it when people talk trash about you, so stop and think "maybee people won't like it if i call them an arse".

i think a message should be sent to the criminals of this world: if you kill massive amounts of people in the U.S. don't think your going to live, cause the U.S. will kill your sorry @ss.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:27 pm

Execion, you're a little kid who thinks he knows more than what he actully does. Yes you're narrow minded. Your words alone prove it. But i'm not gonna argue with someone whom just recently finished breast feeding.

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:27 pm

No religion, no worries. Let's not discuss religion, but here are the facts. I do not believe in god, or any creator. I have no respect for authority of any type, especially spiritual authority, or having to be afraid or concious of actions that could earn me another SIN! Does hell exist? I do not think so. Look at it the scientific way...Now, I did mention god in some other posts on this thread, maybe it was one...I forgot. At any rate, I said that so maybe someone could understand what I'm talking about. I think saying you step on god isn't right, and though I don't believe in god I've tried to be fairly respectful towards those sensitive to the subject since my first few religion posts. A subnote - Strider saying such a, pitiful comment...just blows my mind. It's like having a debate, and then out of the blue accusing the person of being wrong because, say for instance their mother or father is obese. Below the belt? Yes. Childish? Yes. Grow up.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:29 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
I have no respect for authority of any type, especially spiritual authority

Not only do I see you going to hell, but I also see you gettin beatdown by the Cops, either way you're screwed kid.

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:31 pm

Strider, calling a group "arse" is considerably weaker than ridiculing someone for taking a drug. Prey, I sadly expected more out of you. I was so incredibly wrong. I think you're some what intimidated by me and think because of my age that I'm totally unaware of what goes on today. Incorrect.

Heaven_No · Post by **Heaven_No** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:32 pm

Originally posted by YARDofSTUF:
exestion, what is ur religon, and how firmly do u follow it?

What difference would it make? If folks use their faith as a crutch to help them make decisions, fine. Bashing faith, which you did in an earlier post will not win you any points.

Striderf1,

I think ex backed off a bit. You both are intelligent and decent young men. Please do not get angered and mean with each other.

Thanx

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:34 pm

Originally posted by exesion:
No religion, no worries. I have no respect for authority of any type, especially spiritual authority, or having to be afraid or concious of actions that could earn me another SIN!

well... U better have respect for some authority. I respect police, medics, and many others. Not respecting them is childish and foolish, learn that now, young man.

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exesion · Post by **exesion** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:34 pm

Prey, I suppose you're not capable of viewing things through other's eyes. I however did take in to perspective, before any posts on this thread about how an actual family member would feel..a terrible feeling but for some reason you can't get it across your mind that killing is wrong. Sure timothy deserves consequences if he is labeled NOT MENTAL but I think we all know he is so he should just recieve help.

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boom. shakes head.

striderf1 · Post by **striderf1** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:34 pm

Originally posted by Heaven_No:

Striderf1,

I think ex backed off a bit. You both are intelligent and decent young men. Please do not get angered and mean with each other.

Thanx

i'm backing off, i hope he realized that he had no right to call the sg homies arse's though