What router

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:11 pm

Ok im Using a friends router right now and its a linksys befsr41 model router. I have my pc and my xbox hooked up to it and im gonna probley hook my laptop up to it i need a suggestion of a good router im gonna get one for x-mas not sure which one to get. I want a good quality one.

yikes · Post by **yikes** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:37 pm

have any issues with your linksys? If not, why not get the same one! I have the linksys aswell and it has been giong strong for close to a year now!

YiKeS

Set · Post by **Set** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:00 pm

Yikes hit it on De head

For the price you cant beat a linksys router

mwkirchner · Post by **mwkirchner** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:06 pm

I also have the same router and I have been more then pleased with it. Best money I have spent in a long time for a good piece of hardware.

Go with it ... you will be happy.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:33 pm

The Linksys routers have matured into quite the potent little router, probably my pick for the best entry level router.

Nexland ISB SOHO routers are a little more pricey, but are faster for gaming. Just as easy to use as the Linksys.

Linksys also just came out with a router with a stronger firewall, the BEFSX41..only about 5 bucks more than the standard BEFSR41.

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:41 pm

anyone tried the linksys' wireless router? been looking into it... but I want some personal experiences.. that is all..

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:22 pm

YeOs;

what about the Netgears you've been recommending over the Linkys?

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:02 pm

You said the nexland would be faster with gaming how does it make a difference will its x-mas and im getting the fastest **** out there. So im gonna get a nexland which model? I want the fastest ****.Im a picky somebody when it comes to my internet i dont wont it probleys in it i like it fast smooth and lag free.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:24 pm

So is the nexland the fastest i can buy for home use?

KuRe · Post by **KuRe** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:49 am

if u want the fastest "****" then u might wanna go for Nexland pro400/800 (forgot what the model was called)

or

a netopia one..

I'm not sure.. ask Cat, hes super-router-man.

Christopher561 · Post by **Christopher561** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:43 am

i like the belkin 4 port router its nice make shure that you have the lynksys on a surge protector cuz mine blew out on me a couple of months ago.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:26 am

Originally posted by Immortal
anyone tried the linksys' wireless router? been looking into it... but I want some personal experiences.. that is all..

Yes, I've setup a few....it works quite well, and easy to setup.

I like Microsofts MN500 wireless broadband router the best....outperforms the Linksys and Netgears from my impromptu tests at the office. I walked all the way to the edge of our parking lot and was still surfing. On bandwidth measuring sites, it outperformed them also.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/broad ... ation.aspx

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:34 am

Originally posted by Chillinhh
So is the nexland the fastest i can buy for home use?

No, but in the hundred dollar category it is. If you want the fastest, you'll have to spend quite a bit more money, like a Sonicwall SOHO3, or a Netopia, or a Cisco.

The ISB SOHO has quite a bit of nut, faster than Linksys or Netgear. Check out Nexland.com They're a bit over a hundred bucks. The Pro models are also great...but more $$$. I run the Symantec 200r at the office, which is a special version of the Nexland Pro 800 Turbo. Friggin FAAAAAST on a 6 meg DSL pipe!

The fastest router I've had at the house was a Netopia R910. I'm currently using a Nexland ISB SOHO, have been for the past, almost 2 years. Just a note though...I've read some peeps having problems on certain cable setups with the Nexland routers.

For the entry level routers, under a hundred bucks, I like Linksys, and used to like Netgear. Netgears are a bit faster, and more stable, but they're support was brutal, and as a reseller, I expect a much higher level of support, like Linksys and 3COM give me. Although yesterday I had a voicemail from the regional sales rep from Netgear saying he wanted to give us a special reseller package...so guess they miss our business. I may go back to them.

I don't like any other brands in the entry level home market.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:01 am

i love my nexland ISB SOHO, and for home use its fast enough!

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:20 am

thanx stoney.. catey... stoneycats... heh

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:27 am

Originally posted by Immortal
thanx stoney.. catey... stoneycats... heh

Buuuurrrpp

Ackkkkk

Thpppttttt

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:49 am

Ok i Really appreciate all of your time and I dont have a t3 line or anything like that in my house so i dont think i need a pro version so im probley gonna go with the Nexland isb soho. Whats the differences between that and the linksys? and is there any difference in bandwitch tests?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:01 pm

Originally posted by Chillinhh
Whats the differences between that and the linksys? and is there any difference in bandwitch tests?

Yeah the Nexland is a bit faster, has 8 megs bi-directional throughput, whereas the Linksys has around 4. Doesn't matter much when your broadband is 1.5 at best, but I've had a Linksys and Netgear also, and the Nexland does ping lower in online games.

Nexland is slow to adopt firmware that support UPnP, which will be important soon, such as using XP Windows Messenger right now, I'm not sure if Nexland will come out with it.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:21 pm

Originally posted by Immortal
anyone tried the linksys' wireless router? been looking into it... but I want some personal experiences.. that is all..

Stay away, far away,

If I moved more then 5 feet, I went from 6-7 mbps, to about 1-2 mbps, horrible perfomance.

I have been getting top perfroamnce from my Netgear WAP

Have not tried Microsoft, so cant compare, just dont want Microsoft to have anymore of my money, they have enough..lol

I also have the Nexland ISB Soho as my regular cable router, and it works flawalessly once I got past some configuration issues.

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:38 pm

Originally posted by davy19
Stay away, far away,

If I moved more then 5 feet, I went from 6-7 mbps, to about 1-2 mbps, horrible perfomance.

I have been getting top perfroamnce from my Netgear WAP

Have not tried Microsoft, so cant compare, just dont want Microsoft to have anymore of my money, they have enough..lol

I also have the Nexland ISB Soho as my regular cable router, and it works flawalessly once I got past some configuration issues.

grrr... now I don't feel like getting a wireless no more... dangit..

catey... oldey.. sonteyold cate... heh.. stonecat.. if I have a wireless router in my basement.. can I reach it if I'm in the 2nd floor of the house?... I think it's possible... but jsut wanna make sure...

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:32 pm

Originally posted by Immortal
can I reach it if I'm in the 2nd floor of the house?... I think it's possible... but jsut wanna make sure...

That I cannot answer for you...as I do not know the construction of your house. That greatly impacts the performance of wireless. One person in a house could have it work fine, yet another person in a similar house, it may not work. Lots and lots of different things that are unique to each home that change the wireless experience from one person to another.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:56 pm

Its not listed on the xbox website if the nexland router will work with xbox live. Theres 3 firewalls on the router that have to be open for the router to work is what tech support said. But if i did get that router it would probley work it would jsut be harder to get working i would have to configure some stuff is what im guessing.They have pretty much all brand routers up on the website except nexland. But not all models work with the brands up there they ahve the models that work listed.

twwabw · Post by **twwabw** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:45 pm

Originally posted by davy19
Stay away, far away,

If I moved more then 5 feet, I went from 6-7 mbps, to about 1-2 mbps, horrible perfomance.

You had either a configuration or hardware issue. I have set up lots... read that LOTS of Linksys WAPs, routers, and combo router/access points. What model were you using? What PC card? Their performance is actually quite stable, and with the ver2 appliances and ver3 pc cards, performance and range have both increased.

I always configure my Client's WAP, etc. here in the office first, and always run throughput and range checks after configuring them. I have an old ver1 WAP11, and an original WPC11 v1 card, and I always compare performance on the new ones. Right now, I'm configuring a pair of BEFVP41 VPN endpoint routers, with a new WPC v3 and WAP11 ver 2 connected to one. Performance and range are excellent. I went in my basement, out in the yard, and even into my detached garage before performance fell off. A steady, consistent 52-5500kbps, with 128 bit encryption and WEP enabled.

This is where there is a dramatic change from the originals- encryption killed performance. Now, the difference is almost nothing.

All in all, for the $$$, they are hard to beat.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:49 am

How much difference is there between the Netgear the nexland and the linksys routers? IS this the order of quality
Nexland
Netgear
linksys
?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:00 am

Originally posted by Chillinhh
How much difference is there between the Netgear the nexland and the linksys routers? IS this the order of quality
Nexland
Netgear
linksys
?

Kind of hard to answer. If you asked me that a year ago, I'd say yes you have it listed correct.

Nexland has gone for performance, it's very fast, but it's a small company, and firmware updates are far and few. Admin features are rich and easy through web admin. I've seen some people have a lot of trouble using them on some certain cable setups, yet most DSL peeps have no issues at all.

Netgear makes a solid quality router, it's a little faster than the Linksys, but it's firmware features are rather dry, and advanced admin features are left to the old clunky telnet, as the web admin only does some basic functions.

Linksys has tremendous development behind it as far as firmware goes....it's a product that keeps maturing and maturing, with frequent firmware updates that bring along many features. Quality wise the box itself is modest, performance wise it's also average, but you have to look at the features and compatibility the firmware brings with it. Linksys routers now support a lot of features that other routers will never support. UPnP is turning out to be a great feature for a router to support. Admin of the box is very easy through web admin, and it's full featured. And because of it's domination of the market share....you know it's the most compatible router out there. They tend to blow out faster than other routers, again back to the quality. But hey, they're only about 70 bucks now......so what if it dies at the rate of 1 a year.....at that price, no sweat to replace it.

You're looking for compatibility with the XBox.....seeing as to that's your goal, and they have a few listed compatible routers listed on their website, I'd make sure to follow that list. I'd love to say get the Nexland, but if it's not on the site as compatible, I don't know how the XBox works, or what it needs (although I will after X-Mas, the old lady got her kid one), so come January I'll know what it needs, and I'll know if it works through my Nexland ISB SOHO.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:08 am

Originally posted by twwabw
You had either a configuration or hardware issue. I have set up lots... read that LOTS of Linksys WAPs, routers, and combo router/access points. What model were you using? What PC card? Their performance is actually quite stable, and with the ver2 appliances and ver3 pc cards, performance and range have both increased.

I always configure my Client's WAP, etc. here in the office first, and always run throughput and range checks after configuring them. I have an old ver1 WAP11, and an original WPC11 v1 card, and I always compare performance on the new ones. Right now, I'm configuring a pair of BEFVP41 VPN endpoint routers, with a new WPC v3 and WAP11 ver 2 connected to one. Performance and range are excellent. I went in my basement, out in the yard, and even into my detached garage before performance fell off. A steady, consistent 52-5500kbps, with 128 bit encryption and WEP enabled.

This is where there is a dramatic change from the originals- encryption killed performance. Now, the difference is almost nothing.

All in all, for the $$$, they are hard to beat.

If anything it had to be hardware and it was defective, because software wise, there is not much to configure. I had both the Netgear and linksys without encyrption enabled

I used a Cicso Aironet Wireless card(which is one of the best for performance), on a Dell Laptop. Cisco has these nice tools, that actually show you the signal strength as you move around your house/apartment.

When I took my laptop with the linksys, I literally could not move more then 5 feet, before the signal went from excellent to good, and then 10 feet it went to average, then in my basement it went to poor, and was getting horrible speeds.

With the netgear i was excellent trhough my entire house first floor, and basement, and outside I had signal rating of good, and even got to the street and 3-4 houses down before the siganl rating went to fair, poor then and lost it.

I have been using the Netgear ever since, I will swear by it for the price, it gives consistent throughput no matter where I am in my house.

Immortal · Post by **Immortal** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:02 pm

I trust u davy.. and I sahll get a netgear wirless router.. rite?

what model exactly? just want to make sure..

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 9:28 pm

Well I dont have a netger wireless router, I have the Netgear wirless Acces Point, attached to a Nexland ISB Soho

I dont know if there is a major difference between the access point and just their cable wireless router in terms of performance.

My recommendation is buy it at staples, or best buy, where they have an easy return/exchange policy in case you run into any issues.

colour · Post by **colour** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:05 pm

haw man i remember back in 01 when i was in search for a router everyone(and i mean EVERYONE) here seemed to highly recommend the Netgear RT314.

so

thats what i went with and i must say it served me well.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:28 pm

Originally posted by colour
haw man i remember back in 01 when i was in search for a router everyone(and i mean EVERYONE) here seemed to highly recommend the Netgear RT314.

so

thats what i went with and i must say it served me well.

Yeah that's probably their biggest selling router. Still have mine kicking around in a drawer around here somewhere.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:37 pm

Yes all routers work with the the xbox its just some maybe hard to get configured with it cause i called support and they said that 3 firewalls had to be open for it to work so you could get pretty much any router working just it would be harder for some but on x-mas i go all out and get the nicest so i want performance and ive bored this linksys and its ok i upgraded the firmware and I could live with one but i dont love the thing. I shore wish i could go with the Nexland thats why im searching forums looking for someone that may have xbox live with a nexland router so if i dont find out my x-mas what router would you recomeend between netgear and linksys?

Set · Post by **Set** » Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:10 pm

i must say im happy with my 50 dollor Belkin SHO router 3 pc on it now and it dont break a sweet

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Dec 16, 2002 8:23 pm

I've been using a Netgear RT314 for 2 years and its been rock solid. I setup a Netgear MR314 wirless for my parents and it works good as well.

My friend just bought the VPN 614 netgear router and I must say that I was quite impressed by the new web based configuration. No more telnetting into it.

deleted_acct · Post by **deleted_acct** » Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:34 pm

Im gonna go with the Netgear RP614 that thing is stylish but i dont need the top of the line because im not running a buisness here this is for home use but i want a nice good quality home use router which the netgear should handle fine.

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:22 pm

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:40 pm

It's a good thing you don't have the netgear rt614 in that list.

Damn thing locks up at least once every 2 weeks.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 1:38 pm

Andrzej · Post by **Andrzej** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 1:44 pm

I can not even image what is above

BTW

netgear rt614 I can not find at all
on NETGEAR™ Easy Guide to Choosing a Cable/DSL Router
http://www.netgear.com/products/routers ... nchart.asp
or http://www.netgear.com/products/routers ... .asp?view=
but NETGEAR™ Products - Routers - WebSafe Firewall - model RP614
you can find below
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/RP614.asp
4-Port Cable/DSL Web Safe Router with 10/100 Mbps Switch

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:01 pm

my linky will gimme a sustained 14 ping to some EA oc 192 battle field 1942 servers.

mwkirchner · Post by **mwkirchner** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:56 pm

Originally posted by downhill

If something like this did not show up in this thread ... I would have been thoroughly disappointed. This is the kind of stuff that makes this forum worthwhile coming to.