he definitely is a good speaker for sure, heh
thoughts
honestly this is the first 9/11 related thing i've watched today, heh, i've kinda kept the tv off through all the stuff because i pretty much know what they were gonna show, ya know... i was there watching it as it happened on 9/11/01 so i didn't need to see it all again today, i still remember it vividly...
Are anyone here watching Clinton on Letterman
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Originally posted by davy19
I watched him just to hear him lie about how he tried his hardest to get Bin Laden, yeah right.
He is still a good lier, that is what he does best.
If i was in that audience I would have been booing him instead of clapping for him.
Do you ever give up? Are you so involved with hate radio that it blinds you?
The most investigated man in the history of the planet does nothing but lie all the time eh?
Could your life be as exempt from falshood and bad deeds with only a million dollar investigation, with the CIA and FBI looking into your past? How about 56 million and Scafie pitching in another cool, 8 million.
Just curious.
The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, and prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children and the children yet unborn and the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.
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I dont listen to hate radio, I am able to think for myself.
I just know the man is one of the best liars ever, and got away with it.
I will give Clinton credit for the only person to get away with what he can. He is a very good talker..but most of it is hot air, except for some reason most Americans who liked him fell for his charms. Not sure how sometimes I think Clinton signed a pact with the devil to get away with what he did.
I just know the man is one of the best liars ever, and got away with it.
I will give Clinton credit for the only person to get away with what he can. He is a very good talker..but most of it is hot air, except for some reason most Americans who liked him fell for his charms. Not sure how sometimes I think Clinton signed a pact with the devil to get away with what he did.
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LOL....davy, could you answer my question? You sidestepped it.
I couldn't survive a hundred dollar investigation....
Your favorite politician, how much money would it take to expose him/her as a fraud and a fake?
Hitler knew full well the power of porpaganda. He once said, "The grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down." Hitler understood that a mere accusation is often as damaging to a person’s reputation as a conviction in court.
Food for thought.......it seems to be as valid today, as it was then.
My last post in this thread, and to get back on topic, Brent, no....I missed it. I was called out.
I couldn't survive a hundred dollar investigation....
Your favorite politician, how much money would it take to expose him/her as a fraud and a fake?
Hitler knew full well the power of porpaganda. He once said, "The grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down." Hitler understood that a mere accusation is often as damaging to a person’s reputation as a conviction in court.
Food for thought.......it seems to be as valid today, as it was then.
My last post in this thread, and to get back on topic, Brent, no....I missed it. I was called out.
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Want to see the list of scandals by Clinton Administration here they are and these are only up to 1997, a lot more after that:
THE MOST ETHICAL
ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY
Summary of Alleged Crimes and Abuses of Power by the Clinton Administration
Updated Oct. 27, 1997 --
For reasons of brevity, titles of individuals are omitted and allegations are listed in summary style only. Each allegation has been described in detail in the Washington Weekly over the past few years.
BILL CLINTON:
Conspired with David Hale and Jim McDougal to defraud the Small Business Administration of $300,000.
Used State Police for personal purposes.
Abused his position as governor to extort sexual favors from employees.
Directed State Police to fabricate incriminating evidence against political opponents: Steve Clark, Terry Reed, and Larry Nichols.
Knew about drug importation and distribution by a friend and campaign contributor, Dan Lasater.
Allowed drug money to be laundered through ADFA.
Appointed and protected Arkansas Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak who repeatedly obstructed justice by declaring murders as "suicides" or "accidents."
Has never accounted for his actions during 40 days behind the Iron Curtain during the Vietnam War.
Tipped off Governor Tucker about upcoming criminal referral.
Violated Arkansas campaign finance laws.
Violated the Constitution by signing into law an ex post facto law, a retroactive tax increase.
Fired RTC chief Albert Casey to allow his friend Roger Altman to monitor and block Whitewater investigations.
Fired FBI director William Sessions and the entire top management at the FBI to prevent an autonomous FBI from investigating the suicide of Vince Foster and other scandals.
Fired all U.S. Attorneys to appoint Paula Casey who prevented Judge David Hale from testifying against Clinton.
Offered State Troopers federal jobs in return for their silence about Clinton's crimes.
Blocked Justice Department indictments after Inspector General Sherman Funk found "criminal violations of the Privacy Act provable beyond reasonable doubt" when former Bush employee files were
searched and leaked to the press.
Appointed friend and felon Webster Hubbell to number 3 position in Justice Department in order to be able to block Whitewater criminal referrals by RTC investigator L. Jean Lewis.
Blocked the criminal trial of Representative Ford, a Tennessee Democrat.
Appointed a campaign activist to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, without the mandated "advice and consent" of the Senate, to derail a probe of his and Hillary's financial dealings.
Committed witness tampering by causing bribes to be paid to Webster Hubbell.
Committed witness tampering by causing a job with the NSC to be offered to former Trooper L.D. Brown in return for Brown's silence on several Clinton crimes.
Rifled through L.D. Brown's personnel file at the CIA in an attempt to find damaging information on Brown, a witness to many Clinton crimes.
Blocked Justice Department prosecution of Arthur Coia, a union Mob puppet and heavy Clinton donor.
Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property.
Accepted a bribe from the Government of China, hidden from federal election inspectors by laundering it through Ng Lap Seng, the Bank of China, Charlie Trie and his relatives, and his Legal Defense Fund.
Accepted a $50,000 bribe from the candidate for president of South Korea, in return for a written endorsement of the candidate.
Engaged in a criminal scheme to launder illegal contributions for the president of Teamsters campaign and in turn laundered illegal foreign contributions through the "Teamsters for a Corruption Free Union" fund.
Subverted federal campaign spending limits through a DNC slush fund used for television advertising planned by political consultant **** Morris. Bill Clinton is under investigation by an Independent Counsel and by Congress.
AL GORE:
Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property.
Participated in an illegal fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple were campaign contributions were laundered through nuns.
Accepted a $50,000 bribe from a waste disposal company, Molten Metal Technology, in return for helping it get federal contracts. Al Gore is under investigation by Congress and by the Justice
Department.
HILLARY CLINTON:
Accepted a $100,000 bribe, laundered through cattle futures, from Tyson Foods Inc.
Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing legislative reform of same.
Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in the Health Care Task Force trial.
Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were the target of a court probe.
Obstructed justice by ordering the removal and shredding of Vince Foster's documents on the night of his death.
Hired Craig Livingstone to conduct a political intelligence operation against her opponents.
Defrauded the U.S. Treasury of more than $10 million by funneling Community Development Financial Institutions grants to financial institutions in which she has an interest.
Ordered Treasury officials to cover up the fraud by fabrication of false documents. Hillary Clinton is under investigation by an Independent Counsel.
WEBSTER HUBBELL:
Convicted for defrauding the federal government (FDIC and IRS).
Executed obstruction of justice in the Justice Department in several cases: The Inslaw case, and the RTC criminal referrals on Whitewater. Webster Hubbell has resigned.
IRA MAGAZINER:
Violated federal law when he held Health Care Task Force Meetings in secret and refused to release documents.
Lied in court about the composition of the Health Care Task Force. A criminal referral by Judge Royce Lamberth was not acted upon by the Clinton-appointed U.S. Att. Eric Holder.
BERNARD NUSSBAUM:
Obstructed justice in the Foster suicide investigation by blocking access, removing documents, lying about his removal of documents, and by retrieving Foster's pager from Park Police.
Attempted to quash a Whitewater investigation at the RTC through White House liaisons. Bernard Nussbaum has resigned.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
Accepted a $600,000 loan below market interest and with insufficient collateral from NationsBank, a bank having business before the Clinton Administration.
Lied to Congress during Whitewater hearings.
Obstructed justice by attempting to have Whitewater investigator Jay Stephens at the RTC fired. George Stephanopoulos has resigned.
MIKE ESPY:
Accepted bribes from Tyson Foods Inc. and other companies which were under regulatory control of his Agriculture Department. Mike Espy has resigned and is awaiting indictment by a special
prosecutor.
ROGER ALTMAN:
Lied to Congress during Whitewater hearings.
When caught, lied to Congress about having lied to Congress.
Instructed Ellen Kulka and Jack Ryan at the RTC to block the Whitewater investigation by L. Jean Lewis. Roger Altman has resigned but is still carrying out assignments for the White House.
RON BROWN:
Negotiated a $700,000 bribe with the Vietnamese government.
Accepted a $60,000 bribe from Dynamic Energy Resources.
Sold seats on foreign trips to DNC contributors. Was under investigation by an independent counsel when he died in a plane crash.
LES ASPIN:
By denying them military protection equipment, Aspin was responsible for the death of Army Rangers in Somalia. Les Aspin resigned and died before he could be held accountable in a public forum.
WILLIAM KENNEDY AND DAVID WATKINS:
Fabricated charges against White House Travel Office personnel to have the business taken over by Clinton friends.
Coerced FBI and IRS agents into complicity with this scheme. Kennedy and Watkins have resigned.
CATHERINE CORNELIUS:
Removed documents from White House Travel Office. Because those documents later became the subject of a trial against Office Director Billy Dale, that became an obstruction of justice.
PATSY THOMASSON:
Lied to Congress about the composition of the Health Care Task Force and the size of its budget.
Obstructed justice when she removed documents from the office of Vince Foster.
Fabricated charges against White House Travel Office personnel to have the business taken over by Clinton friends.
MARGARET WILLIAMS:
Obstructed justice when she removed documents from the office of Vince Foster.
Solicited and accepted a $50,000 campaign contribution from Johnny Chung in the White House in return for Hillary Clinton meeting with Chinese businessmen. Margaret Williams has resigned.
JOSHUA STEINER:
Lied to Congress about conversations with White House personnel about the RTC. Joshua Steiner has resigned.
LLOYD CUTLER:
Lied to Congress about the contents of redacted documents.
Attempted to withhold vital information from Congress, a felony.
Obtained a confidential Treasury report and showed it to witnesses before they testified before Congress in the Whitewater hearings. Lied to Congress when he denied having coached witnesses. Lloyd
Cutler has resigned.
MACK MCLARTY:
As chairman of Arkla, was responsible for the bribing of public utility officials.
Conspired with Democratic Congressional Leadership to block access by investigators to vital documents in a Congressional hearing. Mack McLarty escaped prosecution when a lobbyist working for
him was convicted of bribery.
HAROLD ICKES:
Broke into New York Republican headquarters in 1970. Has never been indicted for this crime which was similar to what the Watergate Plumbers spent time in jail for.
Had contacts with the Arkansas-based Park-On-Meter company which received questionable loan from Clinton's ADFA and was alleged to be involved in arms manufacturing.
Worked for Mafia-controlled labor unions.
Set up a $56 million slush fund by Union Mobsters for use in Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign.
Arranged meeting between Mob figure and Clinton campaign contributor Arthur Coia and Bill Clinton.
Lied to Congress during Whitewater hearings.
Improperly discussed a $500,000 contribution in a memo to businessman Warren Meddoff, using White House computer, telephone, and fax. Faxed instructions on how to launder contributions
through tax-exempt organization to evade scrutiny of FEC.
Attempted to obstruct justice by orchestrating an approach to Whitewater witness Beverly Basset Shaffer. Harold Ickes was fired.
BRUCE LINDSEY:
As treasurer for the Clinton gubernatorial campaign in 1990, he signed withdrawals from Perry County Bank, the president of which was indicted for conspiring to conceal these withdrawals from the
IRS and FEC.
MARIAN BENETT:
Covered up credit-card fraud by USIA Inspector General staff.
Launched a politically motivated investigation of Radio Marti, a staunchly anti-Communist radio station run by the government.
FEDERICO PENA:
State and federal contracts were awarded to companies in which he had a financial interest. The Justice Department found insufficient evidence to appoint a Special Counsel.
HENRY CISNEROS:
Lied to the FBI about payments to former lover. Henry Cisneros is under investigation by a Special Counsel.
JANET RENO:
Fabricated charges of child molestation against the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.
Ordered the use of military equipment against citizens of the United States.
Ordered the use of chemical agents against citizens of the United States.
For more than a year stalled the appointment of a special counsel to investigate clear evidence of campaign fundraising illegalities.
ROBERT REICH:
Lied to Congress when he wrote that there were no memos circulating in the Labor Department instructing staff to gather political material against the Contract with America. Such memos were later
published. Robert Reich has been replaced.
DONNA SHALALA:
As Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin at Madison instituted speech codes which were found to be unconstitutional in federal court. Instituted thought-police star chamber proceedings to drive
politically incorrect people off campus.
CAROL BROWNER:
Used the EPA to campaign against Republicans running on the Contract with America, an illegal use of the executive branch for political campaigning. Carol Browner is under investigation by Congress.
ROBERTA ACHTENBERG:
Violated the First Amendment when she ordered HUD lawyers to silence citizens who spoke out against planned housing projects.
Exceeded her authority when she had HUD staff threaten Allentown County to withdraw an "Use of English language encouraged" ordinance. Roberta Achtenberg has resigned.
DEVAL PATRICK:
Used extortion to force banks to give preferential treatment to minorities. Congress is investigating the possibility of impeachment based on abuse of power.
Was found by the Supreme Court to have been abusing his position to subvert the election process in a manner that created more safe "black" seats. Deval Patrick has resigned.
BRUCE BABBIT:
Paid a penalty for violating campaign finance laws during his 1988 presidential campaign.
Accepted political donations as a bribe to kill an Indian casino proposal. The DOJ is considering appointing an Independent Counsel to investigate the bribe.
VALERIE LAU:
Started a criminal probe of Secret Service agents John Libonati and Jeffrey Undercoffer after they had testified that the Secret Service was not the source of the list used to compile FBI files in the
Filegate scandal.
Provided confidential depositions of White House staffers to White House Counsel Lloyd Cutler ahead of Whitewater hearings in 1994.
HOWARD SHAPIRO:
Leaked information to the White House Counsel's office that FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene had revealed in a confidential FBI interview that it was Hillary Clinton who hired Filegate operative Craig Livingstone.
HAZEL O'LEARY:
Accepted $25,000 from Johnny Chung in return for meeting with members of the Chinese Government.
Paid outside consultants to prepare a list of "hostile reporters."
ERIC HOLDER:
As U.S. Attorney stonewalled repeated criminal referrals of Clinton administration employees by courts of law and by Congress. Eric Holder was rewarded with a promotion to Deputy Attorney
General.
ANTHONY LAKE:
Gave the green light to an illegal arms pipeline from Iran to Bosnia. The pipeline was reportedly used to smuggle drugs.
Lied to Congress about the illegal pipeline. Anthony Lake withdrew his name from consideration for director of the CIA.
JOHN HUANG:
Committed espionage on behalf of Lippo Group and the Chinese government.
Facilitated payments from the Chinese government to Bill Clinton and the DNC through Charlie Trie and others. John Huang has resigned and is refusing to testify to Congressional investigators.
Summary: The only Clinton Cabinet Secretaries who are not under investigation for criminal acts and have never had criminal allegations raised against them in public are Richard Riley, Secretary of Education,
and Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State.
Published in the Oct. 27, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact.
THE MOST ETHICAL
ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY
Summary of Alleged Crimes and Abuses of Power by the Clinton Administration
Updated Oct. 27, 1997 --
For reasons of brevity, titles of individuals are omitted and allegations are listed in summary style only. Each allegation has been described in detail in the Washington Weekly over the past few years.
BILL CLINTON:
Conspired with David Hale and Jim McDougal to defraud the Small Business Administration of $300,000.
Used State Police for personal purposes.
Abused his position as governor to extort sexual favors from employees.
Directed State Police to fabricate incriminating evidence against political opponents: Steve Clark, Terry Reed, and Larry Nichols.
Knew about drug importation and distribution by a friend and campaign contributor, Dan Lasater.
Allowed drug money to be laundered through ADFA.
Appointed and protected Arkansas Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak who repeatedly obstructed justice by declaring murders as "suicides" or "accidents."
Has never accounted for his actions during 40 days behind the Iron Curtain during the Vietnam War.
Tipped off Governor Tucker about upcoming criminal referral.
Violated Arkansas campaign finance laws.
Violated the Constitution by signing into law an ex post facto law, a retroactive tax increase.
Fired RTC chief Albert Casey to allow his friend Roger Altman to monitor and block Whitewater investigations.
Fired FBI director William Sessions and the entire top management at the FBI to prevent an autonomous FBI from investigating the suicide of Vince Foster and other scandals.
Fired all U.S. Attorneys to appoint Paula Casey who prevented Judge David Hale from testifying against Clinton.
Offered State Troopers federal jobs in return for their silence about Clinton's crimes.
Blocked Justice Department indictments after Inspector General Sherman Funk found "criminal violations of the Privacy Act provable beyond reasonable doubt" when former Bush employee files were
searched and leaked to the press.
Appointed friend and felon Webster Hubbell to number 3 position in Justice Department in order to be able to block Whitewater criminal referrals by RTC investigator L. Jean Lewis.
Blocked the criminal trial of Representative Ford, a Tennessee Democrat.
Appointed a campaign activist to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, without the mandated "advice and consent" of the Senate, to derail a probe of his and Hillary's financial dealings.
Committed witness tampering by causing bribes to be paid to Webster Hubbell.
Committed witness tampering by causing a job with the NSC to be offered to former Trooper L.D. Brown in return for Brown's silence on several Clinton crimes.
Rifled through L.D. Brown's personnel file at the CIA in an attempt to find damaging information on Brown, a witness to many Clinton crimes.
Blocked Justice Department prosecution of Arthur Coia, a union Mob puppet and heavy Clinton donor.
Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property.
Accepted a bribe from the Government of China, hidden from federal election inspectors by laundering it through Ng Lap Seng, the Bank of China, Charlie Trie and his relatives, and his Legal Defense Fund.
Accepted a $50,000 bribe from the candidate for president of South Korea, in return for a written endorsement of the candidate.
Engaged in a criminal scheme to launder illegal contributions for the president of Teamsters campaign and in turn laundered illegal foreign contributions through the "Teamsters for a Corruption Free Union" fund.
Subverted federal campaign spending limits through a DNC slush fund used for television advertising planned by political consultant **** Morris. Bill Clinton is under investigation by an Independent Counsel and by Congress.
AL GORE:
Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property.
Participated in an illegal fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple were campaign contributions were laundered through nuns.
Accepted a $50,000 bribe from a waste disposal company, Molten Metal Technology, in return for helping it get federal contracts. Al Gore is under investigation by Congress and by the Justice
Department.
HILLARY CLINTON:
Accepted a $100,000 bribe, laundered through cattle futures, from Tyson Foods Inc.
Speculated in Health Care industry futures while overseeing legislative reform of same.
Failed to correct false testimony by co-defendant Ira Magaziner in the Health Care Task Force trial.
Ordered members of the Health Care Task Force to shred documents that were the target of a court probe.
Obstructed justice by ordering the removal and shredding of Vince Foster's documents on the night of his death.
Hired Craig Livingstone to conduct a political intelligence operation against her opponents.
Defrauded the U.S. Treasury of more than $10 million by funneling Community Development Financial Institutions grants to financial institutions in which she has an interest.
Ordered Treasury officials to cover up the fraud by fabrication of false documents. Hillary Clinton is under investigation by an Independent Counsel.
WEBSTER HUBBELL:
Convicted for defrauding the federal government (FDIC and IRS).
Executed obstruction of justice in the Justice Department in several cases: The Inslaw case, and the RTC criminal referrals on Whitewater. Webster Hubbell has resigned.
IRA MAGAZINER:
Violated federal law when he held Health Care Task Force Meetings in secret and refused to release documents.
Lied in court about the composition of the Health Care Task Force. A criminal referral by Judge Royce Lamberth was not acted upon by the Clinton-appointed U.S. Att. Eric Holder.
BERNARD NUSSBAUM:
Obstructed justice in the Foster suicide investigation by blocking access, removing documents, lying about his removal of documents, and by retrieving Foster's pager from Park Police.
Attempted to quash a Whitewater investigation at the RTC through White House liaisons. Bernard Nussbaum has resigned.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS:
Accepted a $600,000 loan below market interest and with insufficient collateral from NationsBank, a bank having business before the Clinton Administration.
Lied to Congress during Whitewater hearings.
Obstructed justice by attempting to have Whitewater investigator Jay Stephens at the RTC fired. George Stephanopoulos has resigned.
MIKE ESPY:
Accepted bribes from Tyson Foods Inc. and other companies which were under regulatory control of his Agriculture Department. Mike Espy has resigned and is awaiting indictment by a special
prosecutor.
ROGER ALTMAN:
Lied to Congress during Whitewater hearings.
When caught, lied to Congress about having lied to Congress.
Instructed Ellen Kulka and Jack Ryan at the RTC to block the Whitewater investigation by L. Jean Lewis. Roger Altman has resigned but is still carrying out assignments for the White House.
RON BROWN:
Negotiated a $700,000 bribe with the Vietnamese government.
Accepted a $60,000 bribe from Dynamic Energy Resources.
Sold seats on foreign trips to DNC contributors. Was under investigation by an independent counsel when he died in a plane crash.
LES ASPIN:
By denying them military protection equipment, Aspin was responsible for the death of Army Rangers in Somalia. Les Aspin resigned and died before he could be held accountable in a public forum.
WILLIAM KENNEDY AND DAVID WATKINS:
Fabricated charges against White House Travel Office personnel to have the business taken over by Clinton friends.
Coerced FBI and IRS agents into complicity with this scheme. Kennedy and Watkins have resigned.
CATHERINE CORNELIUS:
Removed documents from White House Travel Office. Because those documents later became the subject of a trial against Office Director Billy Dale, that became an obstruction of justice.
PATSY THOMASSON:
Lied to Congress about the composition of the Health Care Task Force and the size of its budget.
Obstructed justice when she removed documents from the office of Vince Foster.
Fabricated charges against White House Travel Office personnel to have the business taken over by Clinton friends.
MARGARET WILLIAMS:
Obstructed justice when she removed documents from the office of Vince Foster.
Solicited and accepted a $50,000 campaign contribution from Johnny Chung in the White House in return for Hillary Clinton meeting with Chinese businessmen. Margaret Williams has resigned.
JOSHUA STEINER:
Lied to Congress about conversations with White House personnel about the RTC. Joshua Steiner has resigned.
LLOYD CUTLER:
Lied to Congress about the contents of redacted documents.
Attempted to withhold vital information from Congress, a felony.
Obtained a confidential Treasury report and showed it to witnesses before they testified before Congress in the Whitewater hearings. Lied to Congress when he denied having coached witnesses. Lloyd
Cutler has resigned.
MACK MCLARTY:
As chairman of Arkla, was responsible for the bribing of public utility officials.
Conspired with Democratic Congressional Leadership to block access by investigators to vital documents in a Congressional hearing. Mack McLarty escaped prosecution when a lobbyist working for
him was convicted of bribery.
HAROLD ICKES:
Broke into New York Republican headquarters in 1970. Has never been indicted for this crime which was similar to what the Watergate Plumbers spent time in jail for.
Had contacts with the Arkansas-based Park-On-Meter company which received questionable loan from Clinton's ADFA and was alleged to be involved in arms manufacturing.
Worked for Mafia-controlled labor unions.
Set up a $56 million slush fund by Union Mobsters for use in Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign.
Arranged meeting between Mob figure and Clinton campaign contributor Arthur Coia and Bill Clinton.
Lied to Congress during Whitewater hearings.
Improperly discussed a $500,000 contribution in a memo to businessman Warren Meddoff, using White House computer, telephone, and fax. Faxed instructions on how to launder contributions
through tax-exempt organization to evade scrutiny of FEC.
Attempted to obstruct justice by orchestrating an approach to Whitewater witness Beverly Basset Shaffer. Harold Ickes was fired.
BRUCE LINDSEY:
As treasurer for the Clinton gubernatorial campaign in 1990, he signed withdrawals from Perry County Bank, the president of which was indicted for conspiring to conceal these withdrawals from the
IRS and FEC.
MARIAN BENETT:
Covered up credit-card fraud by USIA Inspector General staff.
Launched a politically motivated investigation of Radio Marti, a staunchly anti-Communist radio station run by the government.
FEDERICO PENA:
State and federal contracts were awarded to companies in which he had a financial interest. The Justice Department found insufficient evidence to appoint a Special Counsel.
HENRY CISNEROS:
Lied to the FBI about payments to former lover. Henry Cisneros is under investigation by a Special Counsel.
JANET RENO:
Fabricated charges of child molestation against the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.
Ordered the use of military equipment against citizens of the United States.
Ordered the use of chemical agents against citizens of the United States.
For more than a year stalled the appointment of a special counsel to investigate clear evidence of campaign fundraising illegalities.
ROBERT REICH:
Lied to Congress when he wrote that there were no memos circulating in the Labor Department instructing staff to gather political material against the Contract with America. Such memos were later
published. Robert Reich has been replaced.
DONNA SHALALA:
As Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin at Madison instituted speech codes which were found to be unconstitutional in federal court. Instituted thought-police star chamber proceedings to drive
politically incorrect people off campus.
CAROL BROWNER:
Used the EPA to campaign against Republicans running on the Contract with America, an illegal use of the executive branch for political campaigning. Carol Browner is under investigation by Congress.
ROBERTA ACHTENBERG:
Violated the First Amendment when she ordered HUD lawyers to silence citizens who spoke out against planned housing projects.
Exceeded her authority when she had HUD staff threaten Allentown County to withdraw an "Use of English language encouraged" ordinance. Roberta Achtenberg has resigned.
DEVAL PATRICK:
Used extortion to force banks to give preferential treatment to minorities. Congress is investigating the possibility of impeachment based on abuse of power.
Was found by the Supreme Court to have been abusing his position to subvert the election process in a manner that created more safe "black" seats. Deval Patrick has resigned.
BRUCE BABBIT:
Paid a penalty for violating campaign finance laws during his 1988 presidential campaign.
Accepted political donations as a bribe to kill an Indian casino proposal. The DOJ is considering appointing an Independent Counsel to investigate the bribe.
VALERIE LAU:
Started a criminal probe of Secret Service agents John Libonati and Jeffrey Undercoffer after they had testified that the Secret Service was not the source of the list used to compile FBI files in the
Filegate scandal.
Provided confidential depositions of White House staffers to White House Counsel Lloyd Cutler ahead of Whitewater hearings in 1994.
HOWARD SHAPIRO:
Leaked information to the White House Counsel's office that FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene had revealed in a confidential FBI interview that it was Hillary Clinton who hired Filegate operative Craig Livingstone.
HAZEL O'LEARY:
Accepted $25,000 from Johnny Chung in return for meeting with members of the Chinese Government.
Paid outside consultants to prepare a list of "hostile reporters."
ERIC HOLDER:
As U.S. Attorney stonewalled repeated criminal referrals of Clinton administration employees by courts of law and by Congress. Eric Holder was rewarded with a promotion to Deputy Attorney
General.
ANTHONY LAKE:
Gave the green light to an illegal arms pipeline from Iran to Bosnia. The pipeline was reportedly used to smuggle drugs.
Lied to Congress about the illegal pipeline. Anthony Lake withdrew his name from consideration for director of the CIA.
JOHN HUANG:
Committed espionage on behalf of Lippo Group and the Chinese government.
Facilitated payments from the Chinese government to Bill Clinton and the DNC through Charlie Trie and others. John Huang has resigned and is refusing to testify to Congressional investigators.
Summary: The only Clinton Cabinet Secretaries who are not under investigation for criminal acts and have never had criminal allegations raised against them in public are Richard Riley, Secretary of Education,
and Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State.
Published in the Oct. 27, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact.
I watched last night Brent and as alway was very impressed with the man. Asise from his private life (like no one else does it 
) He was the grest President since FDR.He did more for this country then anyone since. That is an impressive list that davy has dug up. Likeit couldn't be done on any person in Washington or any place else.
I chalk up davy' point of view as being words of others that he has cut and pasted. Nothing more, nothing less. As to what was said about JANET RENO and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.
I know this to be a lie. I have lived here all of my life and it was well known what David Koresh had been doing long before the ATF came in. The Davidians? They only fired on the ATF with automatic weapons.
Sorry for the rant and I know it is useless to try to make a point to closed minded people and I will not say anything else. LOL
Am I a democrat, no way. I am not either one. Never voted a party ticket yet. I vote for the person.
) He was the grest President since FDR.He did more for this country then anyone since. That is an impressive list that davy has dug up. Likeit couldn't be done on any person in Washington or any place else.I chalk up davy' point of view as being words of others that he has cut and pasted. Nothing more, nothing less. As to what was said about JANET RENO and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.
I know this to be a lie. I have lived here all of my life and it was well known what David Koresh had been doing long before the ATF came in. The Davidians? They only fired on the ATF with automatic weapons.
Sorry for the rant and I know it is useless to try to make a point to closed minded people and I will not say anything else. LOL
Am I a democrat, no way. I am not either one. Never voted a party ticket yet. I vote for the person.
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Originally posted by davy19
Please name one thing he did with specific examples on how he did it.
I needed to get this out of my system.
You so blindly hate Clinton you would pin the woes of America on him in a second. Though such ignorance is blissful in its own way, you should open your biased mind to the though that he may have done some good in his own way. Now here is an assumtion of my own, your probably a republican support (nothing wrong with that) but you would support George Bush Jr. Now why would I say something like that? Well you easily buy in to his politcal feces so it would seem logical to assume that you with your blinding hate you would give your whole hearted support to the only real opposition. You are a product of American political propaganda and I feel pity for you. Maybe you'll wake up one day and not know who you are any more, but I pray that you find peace in your heart.
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I watched it and liked his comments about alternative fuels and energy sources. I agree that it should be a priority for us as well as the Middle East countries.
I was not too fond of his comments about immigrants though because it was this particular open door border policy which allowed our enemies into the country. Remember, 9/11 happened because we allowed the enemy in the front door. they did not have the capability to attack us from the outside via a missile, they attacked us from within using our planes as missiles.
I have to say this though.....Clinton was just one man. He did not formulate and implement policy and law by himself. It was in cooperation with a Republican controlled House and Senate that he was able to be viewed as an effective leader.
In my humble opinion...credit needs to be given to Congress for it's work on certain issues.
It must also be noted that the upswing in the stock market was NOT all of Clinton's doing...it was a simple cyclical change that happened to coincide with his administration. Sure he helped it along as did Congress....together, they both fostered an economic progress that we have never seen before.
And once again, we are seeing the negative cycle of the market as it adjusts to the bad business practices of the dot com boom. This just so happens to coincide with Bush's administration.....it is not his fault...just an adjustment period.
I was not too fond of his comments about immigrants though because it was this particular open door border policy which allowed our enemies into the country. Remember, 9/11 happened because we allowed the enemy in the front door. they did not have the capability to attack us from the outside via a missile, they attacked us from within using our planes as missiles.
I have to say this though.....Clinton was just one man. He did not formulate and implement policy and law by himself. It was in cooperation with a Republican controlled House and Senate that he was able to be viewed as an effective leader.
In my humble opinion...credit needs to be given to Congress for it's work on certain issues.
It must also be noted that the upswing in the stock market was NOT all of Clinton's doing...it was a simple cyclical change that happened to coincide with his administration. Sure he helped it along as did Congress....together, they both fostered an economic progress that we have never seen before.
And once again, we are seeing the negative cycle of the market as it adjusts to the bad business practices of the dot com boom. This just so happens to coincide with Bush's administration.....it is not his fault...just an adjustment period.
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Originally posted by GuyBull
Sorry Davy, you wouldn't want to hear it anyhow. Your mind is made up. So why bother but one thing: Blanced budget.
Mr. Mod you may delete or edit my posts. I don't mean anything I said as a flame or anything close to it.
Yeah he balanced the budget by cutting and downsizing our military to the point where we need to rebuild back uip now anyway. It was a short term resoultion not a long one.
Name something else...
Well said terrancelam I didn't want to get into it that far becase nothing is going to change the gentleman's mind. I am happy you did tho.
Alot of people are party line followers. What ever the party (both) says then that has to be the turth. You tell a lie ofter enough and it becomes truth in some eyes.
Cheers
BTW, you too UOD . Good points.
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LMAO Davy, why did I know that was coming?
Alot of people are party line followers. What ever the party (both) says then that has to be the turth. You tell a lie ofter enough and it becomes truth in some eyes.
Cheers
BTW, you too UOD . Good points.
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LMAO Davy, why did I know that was coming?
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While I disagree with the majority of Clinton's policies, he only kowtowed to his own party-line special interests like EVERY other president has, and does.
My problem with him is that I consider his behavior in regards to the sex scandal to be a disgrace to the office of the president. Unfortunately for the "supporters," not everyone "does it." I expect the leader of our nation to be as above reproach as is humanly possible and to be dignified at all times, in all matters; I feel Bill Clinton was a poor example in that respect.
Pollyanna-ish, I know.
My problem with him is that I consider his behavior in regards to the sex scandal to be a disgrace to the office of the president. Unfortunately for the "supporters," not everyone "does it." I expect the leader of our nation to be as above reproach as is humanly possible and to be dignified at all times, in all matters; I feel Bill Clinton was a poor example in that respect.
Pollyanna-ish, I know.
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Originally posted by GuyBull
He was the grest President since FDR.He did more for this country then anyone since.
Are you ****ting me? The only reason why that man was elected the first time was because of his charisma. The second time was a combination of charisma and the economy. The president has almost NOTHING to do with the economy. For the past 20 years, greenspan has been in control of it. The only thing clinton did to help the economy is to keep greenspan in charge of it. There is no way in hell I would ever compare him to FDR.
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From Here...Way back in George Washington's presidency the courts decided that the private life of an official could not be attacked. Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury, was taken to court on ethics because of an affair he had at that time with a married woman. The court's decision was a decree that no government official, elected or appointed, could be politically attacked on the basis of his private life activities. This has been the law ever since. How does it happen that this rule has now been rescinded for President Clinton?...
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While I don't think what Clinton done was right, was must people keep bringing this up like he was the only one to do it?
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The excuse clinton followers make that everyone else in office fools around and cheats on their wives still does not justify and make it right to do it.
If that is the case then I can say well everyone else downloads warez, and illegal software and gets away with it, why not I do it.
Two wrongs never make a right.
Dont forget he perjured himself under oath, it does not matter what it is about, if asked under oath and you lie, you are still breaking the law, and if our president can lie anyone else should be able to. Who is to judge what is good to lie about under law and what is not?
If that is the case then I can say well everyone else downloads warez, and illegal software and gets away with it, why not I do it.
Two wrongs never make a right.
Dont forget he perjured himself under oath, it does not matter what it is about, if asked under oath and you lie, you are still breaking the law, and if our president can lie anyone else should be able to. Who is to judge what is good to lie about under law and what is not?
Originally posted by torsten
I miss Clinton.
I miss the days when the President of the United States could actually think and speak.
I wonder what your evaluation was back in 1992 when Clinton became President...you were 9 years old then.
I'm interested to know your perspective as a 9 year old boy on the President of The United States.
Think and speak? Oh geezus h Christ! C'mon. Clinton the all knowing genius...blah blah blah. Bush is NOT stupid. I'd be willing to bet he'd run circles around all of us. You simply DO NOT get to be president if yer a dolt. His genius may not lie in public speaking, or things you'd notice right away. It could be his ability to choose folks that compliment his style of leadership, and make an effective force.
Don't be so quick to judge someone and brand them an idiot. You gotta know someone pretty well before that statement can be uttered with any certainty.
Don't be so quick to judge someone and brand them an idiot. You gotta know someone pretty well before that statement can be uttered with any certainty.
Originally posted by UOD
I wonder what your evaluation was back in 1992 when Clinton became President...you were 9 years old then.
I'm interested to know your perspective as a 9 year old boy on the President of The United States.
Not sure what you're getting at with this one......
I can't go back and recreate the language or mentality I had then, but believe it or not, I remember 1992 pretty well. I saw Clinton and Gore on their bus tour that year before he was prez. Never got to shake hands with him or anything, but it was pretty exciting. Big rally and all. They were playing Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow and everybody was pumped. That's probably about the first time I started paying attention to politics. Once you see the future president, then he's elected, it becomes interesting. I always had an opinion about most anything that was in the news. Clinton seemed to be on the right side of most things. I didn't have the perspective I do today, such has how Clinton fits into American political history, or how deficit reduction could be the starting point of an economic turnaround, but the basic logic involved in most simple issues (at least as you saw it on TV) was pretty clear.
But I certainly don't evaluate the Clinton presidency now based on what I knew or understood in 1992.
Run circles around all of us? Puhleeeze!Originally posted by brembo
Think and speak? Oh geezus h Christ! C'mon. Clinton the all knowing genius...blah blah blah. Bush is NOT stupid. I'd be willing to bet he'd run circles around all of us. You simply DO NOT get to be president if yer a dolt. His genius may not lie in public speaking, or things you'd notice right away. It could be his ability to choose folks that compliment his style of leadership, and make an effective force.
Well, you're using the word "dolt" not me. But yes you can be elected president without being intellectually capable. If you follow the political process closely, you know that Bush was the selection and product of a Republican party machine that carefully shaped Americans' perception of him. His exposure to the public was very limited and scripted.
I'm confident in my assessment that his intelligence is lower than should be expected of the most powerful leader in the world. It's not that he simply doesn't speak well (I don't either), it's that he personally seems to have a dangerously limited knowledge and understanding of domestic and international issues, not to mention history and philosophy. This is reflected in his speech. And please understand, it's not that I object to his sentence structure or word choice, it's that he can't articulate anything beyond basic themes because he doesn't have the substance to do so.   Also, I don't buy into the idea that knowing a few broad themes (as with Reagan) is sufficient for a president.
He does have a competent team around him, and yes that can actually work (hell, Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl because he had Jimmy Johnson's assistants and players). But I expect more of a president.
Originally posted by torsten
Not sure what you're getting at with this one......
I can't go back and recreate the language or mentality I had then, but believe it or not, I remember 1992 pretty well. I saw Clinton and Gore on their bus tour that year before he was prez. Never got to shake hands with him or anything, but it was pretty exciting. Big rally and all. They were playing Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow and everybody was pumped. That's probably about the first time I started paying attention to politics. Once you see the future president, then he's elected, it becomes interesting. I always had an opinion about most anything that was in the news. Clinton seemed to be on the right side of most things. I didn't have the perspective I do today, such has how Clinton fits into American political history, or how deficit reduction could be the starting point of an economic turnaround, but the basic logic involved in most simple issues (at least as you saw it on TV) was pretty clear.
But I certainly don't evaluate the Clinton presidency now based on what I knew or understood in 1992.
My point is this: You really didn't have a baseline to compare to. You weren't even born when Reagan was elected the first time. Reagan also had a wonderful way with words and invigorated the country into action. He, like Clinton, had some great speech writers!
So when you make the comment
I wonder if this isn't just a conditioned bias to the only President you really knew that had good speaking qualities.I miss the days when the President of the United States could actually think and speak.
I only remember Reagan because I was born in 1969. I think I was 14 at the time. I do remember President Carter and a few of his speeches which were mostly in relation to the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut. It would be unfair for me to make the same statement you did because I didn't get to hear Presidents like Ford or Nixon or LBJ or Kennedy. All I've ever heard from them is what I've seen in school presentations or on some TV History channel special.
I think it would be more fair for you to say that you simply missed Clinton....since it is all you've ever really known.
I'm not taking sides.
George Bush used to fly Fighter Jets for the Air National Guard in Texas. (Which rather conveniently kept him 10000mi away from Vietnam). The point is, he's a pilot. There aren't ANY dumb Air Force pilots that I know of. The training is too touch and the machines too complicated for dumb people to pass flight school.
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George Bush used to fly Fighter Jets for the Air National Guard in Texas. (Which rather conveniently kept him 10000mi away from Vietnam). The point is, he's a pilot. There aren't ANY dumb Air Force pilots that I know of. The training is too touch and the machines too complicated for dumb people to pass flight school.
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Originally posted by torsten
I'm confident in my assessment that his intelligence is lower than should be expected of the most powerful leader in the world.
http://www.sctimes.com/Election/bush011401.htmJust a side note:
IMHO, in today's society, I feel that the President should act as a facilitator. The President should try to illicit the best ideas from Congress as a whole and help implement these ides into law and policy that serve the best interests of all Americans. You don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to be able to ask for the best ideas from other people.
That, imho, is LEADERSHIP!
IMHO, in today's society, I feel that the President should act as a facilitator. The President should try to illicit the best ideas from Congress as a whole and help implement these ides into law and policy that serve the best interests of all Americans. You don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to be able to ask for the best ideas from other people.
That, imho, is LEADERSHIP!
UOD,
I disagree because I have seen all those presidents. Not just them, but Bush I, Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy as well. You should see my video tape collection. I have tapes of old debates (Dukakis/Bush -- Carter/Reagan -- Kennedy/Nixon -- and all three of Clinton/Perot/Bush and convention speeches (Jackson from '88 is the best). C-span ran these things in fall 2000. I've followed politcal discussions for years. When I was 12, I was watching McGlaughlin Group every week. No Joke! It's amazing how much of a perspective you can accumulate if you're interested in the issues and pay attention to what people say. In many contexts, historical references are a key part of current debate, and you pick up these things as they're discussed. I wasn't around for World War II either, but I think I have a good understanding of it.
btw, I'm a political science major, so this is almost my "job" in a sense.
As for Reagan's way with words, those were usually Peggy Noonan's words. He was uncomfortable speaking about policy on his own. Clinton on the other hand was notorious for rewriting anything that came from speech writers because he wanted control over what he was saying. Also, don't forget about the time the teleprompter went out for 20 minutes during Clinton's State of the Union address. He didn't miss a beat. Knew what he wanted to say, and said it. That would have been a disaster with Reagan.
I disagree because I have seen all those presidents. Not just them, but Bush I, Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy as well. You should see my video tape collection. I have tapes of old debates (Dukakis/Bush -- Carter/Reagan -- Kennedy/Nixon -- and all three of Clinton/Perot/Bush and convention speeches (Jackson from '88 is the best). C-span ran these things in fall 2000. I've followed politcal discussions for years. When I was 12, I was watching McGlaughlin Group every week. No Joke! It's amazing how much of a perspective you can accumulate if you're interested in the issues and pay attention to what people say. In many contexts, historical references are a key part of current debate, and you pick up these things as they're discussed. I wasn't around for World War II either, but I think I have a good understanding of it.
btw, I'm a political science major, so this is almost my "job" in a sense.
As for Reagan's way with words, those were usually Peggy Noonan's words. He was uncomfortable speaking about policy on his own. Clinton on the other hand was notorious for rewriting anything that came from speech writers because he wanted control over what he was saying. Also, don't forget about the time the teleprompter went out for 20 minutes during Clinton's State of the Union address. He didn't miss a beat. Knew what he wanted to say, and said it. That would have been a disaster with Reagan.
