American or Foreign Car?

axtrader · Post by **axtrader** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:24 am

Originally posted by ghost
Wanna lose?

Bastid · Post by **Bastid** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 7:10 am

96 Nissan 200SX-best car ive ever owned...except for my 73 C.C. Deville 502 C.I. i believe.it was white with blue interior and i painted blue flames on the front it was the coolest trashy car i ever owned

Suzie · Post by **Suzie** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:16 am

Mitsubishi that cost me an arm and a leg every time something went wrong. I guess i got a lemon. 2 weeks ago it finally met it's end and it is no more. Now I'm looking for a new car, going to take my time with this purchase.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:39 am

On my second Jeep Wrangler, always modified a bit for off roading, and some engine tweaks.

BMW also. If foreign, I go German. Love Italian (Alfa in the past), but can't afford the upkeep.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:59 am

I've pretty much owned domestic cars all my life, even though, no matter the name in the last 15 years, the cars are really made all over the world...

Sidenote...due to circumstances beyond my control...

I had to sell my 56 F150 about 4 months ago...

A sad downhill....

rickabilities · Post by **rickabilities** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:12 pm

Originally posted by Hybridmonolith
Quite the statement with no proof, GM still provides jobs for americans.

Why are you doubting me? As a camaro owner, i thought you would know these things before spending your hard earned money on products you think are made in the USA.

Here's the proof http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4199

Also, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, and many other "foreign" companies STILL provide jobs for Americans

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:17 pm

Originally posted by Suzie
Mitsubishi that cost me an arm and a leg every time something went wrong. I guess i got a lemon. 2 weeks ago it finally met it's end and it is no more. Now I'm looking for a new car, going to take my time with this purchase.

I would be interested in hearing about the contenders. Let us know, if you feel like sharing. Perhaps someone here has some insight on one of the selections.

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:18 pm

Originally posted by rickabilities
Why are you doubting me? As a camaro owner, i thought you would know these things before spending your hard earned money on products you think are made in the USA.

Here's the proof http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4199

Also, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, and many other "foreign" companies STILL provide jobs for Americans

What proof is that? I say's nothing about being built in other counties. Where's the stuff about the plant in some desert, paying 1.50 an hour.?

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:23 pm

Originally posted by rickabilities
Why are you doubting me? As a camaro owner, i thought you would know these things before spending your hard earned money on products you think are made in the USA.

Here's the proof http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4199

Also, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, and many other "foreign" companies STILL provide jobs for Americans

Just as GM provides jobs for foreigners.

GM's Hydra-matic transmissions are used in BMW's, Holdens, Rovers and Hummers, for example.

GM operates a transmission facility in France as well, if I recall correctly.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:09 pm

And BMW has a huge plant in Georgia.

Are we done yet? EVERY car is an amalgamation of parts from different countries. Hell Harley Davidson motorcycles are more Canadian than American.

I don't even understand why people are arguing over something so patently dumb. You want an ALL American car you best not buy anything newer than about a 1935 Desoto.

Yeesh.

-Bouncer-

rickabilities · Post by **rickabilities** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:25 pm

Originally posted by Hybridmonolith
What proof is that? I say's nothing about being built in other counties. Where's the stuff about the plant in some desert, paying 1.50 an hour.?

Try to follow your own train of thought here. You said you like to give jobs to "your own people" which i'm assuming are Americans. But you stated you own a Camaro SS, which I just showed you proof is or shall i saw was built in Canada.

Plus do you want to enlighten us on what car is currently being sold and marketed in the United States that are being manufactured by people making 1.50/hr??????

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:27 pm

Originally posted by rickabilities
Try to follow your own train of thought here. You said you like to give jobs to "your own people" which i'm assuming are Americans. But you stated you own a Camaro SS, which I just showed you proof is or shall i saw was built in Canada.

Plus do you want to enlighten us on what car is currently being sold and marketed in the United States that are being manufactured by people making 1.50/hr??????

As far as i'm concerned this conversation is over. Like Bouncer said, It's Stupid.

rickabilities · Post by **rickabilities** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:30 pm

i agree. but my original purpose was to show how stupid your first post was for being bias for "american" manufacturers.

Ronny · Post by **Ronny** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 7:25 pm

both car and trk are american

Red Rose · Post by **Red Rose** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:42 pm

Has a 2001 Monte Carlo SS. very, very purty car!!

JC · Post by JC » Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:37 pm

Originally posted by Bouncer
And BMW has a huge plant in Georgia.

Yeesh.

-Bouncer-

Actually it is in greenville south carolina

but you were close!

Paindriver · Post by **Paindriver** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:56 pm

I currently drive a 2000 2-Door Honda Civic. The only thing i don't like about it is that it doesn't have enough power for me. Wish i could of got a Prelude (I don't soup up my cars).

Honda......reputation.....need i say more?

I don't think many cars in that price range can get a decent trade in value.

others I like:

Toyota - Cars, Trucks
Dodge - Trucks

If it is a car i will buy foreign Honda/Toyota.
But trucks i like both foreign non-foreign. i like those dodge pickups.

I used to like Ford pickups but not anymore....never had a thing for chevy's.

Oh and i can't forget my oh noing CORVETTE

If i was a rich man i would be driving an ACURA NSX

mwkirchner · Post by **mwkirchner** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 2:01 am

I personally drive a 1990 Honda Accord 4 door LX model. It is automatic and just turned over 179,000 miles. I have updated the wheels with ones off of a 1998 Acura CL. They are 16" wheels. I have also replaced the turn signal lenses (down in the bumper) and the marker light lenses with the clear ones. Runs great ... guess the fact that I am a Honda technician might help.

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 2:24 am

Originally posted by mwkirchner
I personally drive a 1990 Honda Accord 4 door LX model. It is automatic and just turned over 179,000 miles. I have updated the wheels with ones off of a 1998 Acura CL. They are 16" wheels. I have also replaced the turn signal lenses (down in the bumper) and the marker light lenses with the clear ones. Runs great ... guess the fact that I am a Honda technician might help.

I guess at your age it's time to settle down with a nice, quiet, dependable car.

Just messing with you.

No doubting Honda's rep for quality and miles of trouble-free operation, especially when operated by a Honda tech.

Looks clean!

Now, time for you to get a hot cam, some new heads, headers, custom EPROM....

I'm still working on my big, slow Chevy:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ghostss/car.html

JC · Post by JC » Sat Sep 07, 2002 7:59 am

Well I really don't know what i have my 2000 mazda truck is really a ford ranger. So is it foreign or domestic??? I don't know

And my wifes car is a 2002 Saab. Pretty awesome car IMO..

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:20 am

We drive a 1994 Camry V6 Ultima made in Australia by Toyota.

I go to work on a 2001 PGO Bolwell Roma 50cc scooter and LOVE it.

Croc.

mwkirchner · Post by **mwkirchner** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:34 am

Originally posted by JC
Well I really don't know what i have my 2000 mazda truck is really a ford ranger. So is it foreign or domestic??? I don't know

And my wifes car is a 2002 Saab. Pretty awesome car IMO..

I am not sure if that is considered a DOMEIGN or a FORESTIC ....

p2ii · Post by **p2ii** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:15 am

1-japanese
1-american

for cars, the japanese are by far superior but for trucks you have to go AMERICAN!

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 10:48 am

Originally posted by p2ii
for cars, the japanese are by far superior

That's an arguable point, depending upon the criteria for "superior."

p2ii · Post by **p2ii** » Sat Sep 07, 2002 11:01 am

1.reliability
2.fit and finish
3.bang for the buck
4.styling
5.engines
6.interior designs

I could go on I guess but that is probably good.

tomsykes · Post by **tomsykes** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 5:49 am

We have 5 Australian cars. Family policy, won't buy any of these ***** front-wheel drive Japanese or European cars

2 x Holden Commodore (1994, 2000 models)
3 x Holden Monaro (1972 & 1973 model being restored, and a 2002 CV8 monaro)

Croc · Post by **Croc** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 6:51 am

And wat's rong with a Toyota Camry that's made here in Austrralia and has ***** front-wheel drive?
Apart from the service costs and the parts cost that is.

Sheesh Tom. You tunnel visioned GM/Ford freaks.
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PULLIN YA LEG REALLY, TOM.
I've a mate who is into restoring and showing an early Monaro.
I remember them as Police pursuit cars in W.A.

Croc.

XSeaNX · Post by **XSeaNX** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 8:39 am

I drive american....and we have had our stints of foreign cars (in the past, but too little to drive them) we had 3 eclipses, a galant, and a 3000gt

but currently, everyone in the family, explorer (great car), malibu, and a saturn (after my brother turned in the first car a week after he got it and it was claimed as a lemon...the SC2 he has now was better than the SC 2 he actually bought)

HOPEFULLY we can up that with a BMW

german cars are great cars....the japanese are innovaters.....however it all started american.

I dont have a problem with american cars...but I agree with most here...styling ques arent in my taste, and in the long run most american cars fall apart faster.

BUT...it also depends on what car Id get. because I LOVE Corvette z06s.....but the M3 is just too beautiful...

OxBlooD · Post by **OxBlooD** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 9:01 am

Ford=Found On Road Dead
Ford sux

I know I own one

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:11 am

Originally posted by p2ii
1.reliability
2.fit and finish
3.bang for the buck
4.styling
5.engines
6.interior designs

I could go on I guess but that is probably good.

1. Admittedly, you win this one. Japanese reliability is well known.

2. This depends on the cost of the vehicle, not where it's made, generally, but Japan is indeed excellent in this regard, from what I've seen.

3. Vague, and I disagree. I'd be happy to let you drive MY car.

4. Another arguable point. There are nice looking cars on either side. If anything, Europe has more good looking cars, if you're discussing new cars. If we're talking older cars, the US wins hands down.

5. Please. LT1/LT4/LS1/LS6 are excellent engines. Also the Northstar and variants. Japenese engines are very efficient and of excellent design, but they don't hold exclusive rights in this department. The power of American V8's is legendary.

6. I don't have enough experience with Japanese interiors to say on this one. If anything, the Europeans have this one covered too.

Just in general I would say:

Styling: Europe
Efficiency & Reliability: Japan
Performance, engine: US
Performance, handling: Europe

Of course there will be exceptions in every category.

poptom · Post by **poptom** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:26 am

Styling is a personal preference and I don't see much of it coming from Europe.

ghost · Post by **ghost** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:32 am

Originally posted by poptom
Styling is a personal preference and I don't see much of it coming from Europe.

I agree, it's totally subjective.

That said, Japanese cars look much the same, it's as if their designers are incestuous.

Paindriver · Post by **Paindriver** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 2:55 pm

Originally posted by ghost
I agree, it's totally subjective.

That said, Japanese cars look much the same, it's as if their designers are incestuous.

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That is not all that true. They sell different looking cars in Japan then they do in America. When my cousin visited she pointed to a car in a Japanese magazine and said that was her car. And i told her "whoa....that looks like a little toy car from a cartoon." (This was translated through my mom since i don't speak Japanese)

I am serious it looked like a car from a transfomers cartoon or something. You could google to a japanese car site (in japanese) and it will probably have some of these cars. Why they don't sell these cars in america? beats me. I guess they don't think it will succeed here.

But a lot of their vehicles are small and compact.

By the way they do sell american trucks in Japan. A lot of the Japanese like the Big American trucks.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 3:07 pm

Originally posted by poptom
Styling is a personal preference and I don't see much of it coming from Europe.

I think some of the sexiest cars of all time have come from Europe.

Who can top the Italians and English for fast and sexy looking cars? Lambo Miura, old Alfa Duetto Spiders, Lotus Esprits and Europa's, the mid-late 60's Jaq E-types <==no sexier car around than that one. Even the Germans have a few good ones, Porsche 928's, BMW M-6 and 6 series CSi's, 850 coupes.

XSeaNX · Post by **XSeaNX** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 5:58 pm

Originally posted by YeOldeStonecat
I think some of the sexiest cars of all time have come from Europe.

Who can top the Italians and English for fast and sexy looking cars? Lambo Miura, old Alfa Duetto Spiders, Lotus Esprits and Europa's, the mid-late 60's Jaq E-types <==no sexier car around than that one. Even the Germans have a few good ones, Porsche 928's, BMW M-6 and 6 series CSi's, 850 coupes.

you forgot a LOT of cars but I can forgive that....however what about the BMW 8 series as well? cant deny a V12 under that hood

911GT198 · Post by **911GT198** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 6:17 pm

every car is foreign...in a way...look at all the electrical stuff..all cars share parts with each other and **** like that...but i drive an "american"

911GT198 · Post by **911GT198** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 6:23 pm

Originally posted by XSeaNX
in the long run most american cars fall apart faster.

i think thats just because americans dont keep there cars because they have more money/spend more money...if u buy any car and keep ur with the reg. maintenance it will go for ever

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