Will I see A Big Difference Between A 550 PIII and 850 PIII?

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:38 am

Thinking of maxing out my motherboard with a 850 P3 to replace my 500 P3. Do you think I will see a big difference with the 300mhz? I plan on upgrading to Win XP and I have my memory maxed out at 384mb.

BaLa · Post by **BaLa** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:47 am

I don't know how big of a diff..
but it should be big enough to notice it..

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:02 am

maxing out my motherboard with a 850 P3

Why would 850 be your max?

Most mobos show such maximum support speeds because there was nothing higher when the documentation was printed.

A bios update or some drivers for the board should enable you to go as high as 1 ghz.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:02 am

Depends on what you're doing. If your "computing" is limited to IE, IM, and Notepad, then no, you won't see a difference.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:04 am

My motherboard is 100mhz FSB so I can only go to a 850. I run games, surf the web, run apps like Flash 5, Dreamweaver 4, and Photoshop 6.

Hope this helps.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:28 am

My motherboard is 100mhz FSB so I can only go to a 850

You do realize that they make a 100fsb 1ghz P3. Dont you?

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:30 am

Really! A slot 1?

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:34 am

But will it work with my motherboard? It's 160 for 850 and 225 for the 1 gig.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:34 am

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ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:41 am

I was orignally running a 450 PII then flashed my BIOS and put in a 550 PIII. I was told by my friend who has a simular mobo I could go to 850 PIII.

You think my PII mobo could handle the 1 gig.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:42 am

You think my PII mobo could handle the 1 gig.

If it can handle the 850, it can handle the 1ghz, considering that both are slot 1 and both are run on a 100mhz FSB.

Like I said. Update the mobos bios and drivers now, though.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:46 am

I flashed the latest BIOs what is the drivers?

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:47 am

See my 550 has 512k cache while the 850 and 1 gig have 256 on the chip. does that affect the watts used on the motherboard or chip?

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:51 am

http://www.gateway.com/support/techdocs ... #processor

This is the specs on my mobo.

What do you think. Could I go to the 1 gig.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:03 am

And even if I can go to the 1 gig would i see much difference between a 850 and a 1 gig?

the_mp3_refuge · Post by **the_mp3_refuge** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:44 am

850 to 1Ghz, you'll notice some improvemt. 550 to 1Ghz... It's like a whole new system. I say go for the 1Ghz. I'll probably later this month or the next sell my PIII 750 and go for the Ghz. 750 for sale lol.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:50 am

Originally posted by ChuckDees
And even if I can go to the 1 gig would i see much difference between a 850 and a 1 gig?

I doubt that you'll see much of a change between 850 and 1 gig. In general, to see a real difference, you'd have to go twice the speed of what you have. 550 to 1.1 GHz should show a big difference.

I have the same Motherboard and if you go get the .PDF files for it under WS440BX you'll be much more educated then what Gateway provides! Thought you might like to know about that.

http://developer.intel.com/design/mothe ... /index.htm

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:10 am

Yes, not only the sheer mHz difference, but the performance gains in the Coppermine PIII's also. You noticed one already, the cache difference. There were many more internal changes. As long as your mobo will support Coppermine PIII's.

syncmaster · Post by **syncmaster** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:01 am

The diference from PIII-650 slot1 to PIII 1000 FCPGA2 is really big .

But you need also top hardware to see your system to move faster , just a single CPU will not show any overall system speed up .

If we speak about speed in software calculations , yes you will see that , like you will make faster mp3s decoding .

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:31 pm

Well we're talking the difference between a slot 1 550 and a slot 1 1000.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:34 pm

blebs99,

The Intel site says 86A while my mobo is 15A. Will that make a difference.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:44 pm

Plus it says it can only go to a 550 p3. Now I know the **** was published in 1999 but are you sure I can get the 1 gig 100 fsb slot 1 chip to work.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:57 pm

Unless you really need 850mhz or 1Ghz of processing power, you won't see a big difference. You money would be better saved thend spent. I would recommend getting a new computer instead of a expensive PIII.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 4:31 pm

"The 4000608 motherboard does not support processors 2507072 and 2507074 or any other Coppermine processors"

I think about getting another computer if I were you...

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:46 pm

And if you don't mind me asking. Exactly where did you get this information terrancelam?

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:12 pm

The guy knows his stuff. Trust his word.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:22 pm

I'm not accusing him of being wrong. It's just my friend has an older motherboard from gateway and he has put a 850 pIII 256k 100fsb on his motherboard and has no problems.

My mother board is newer than his. He got a 400 PII while I got a 450 PII.

So why couldn't I put an 850 on 1 gig PIII with the 256k and 100mhz FSB on my motherboard?

By the way, is the Coppermine the PIIIs (Either Slot 1 of Flip-Chip) that have thew 256k cache on the chip itself?

Grimson · Post by **Grimson** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:23 pm

I noticed a diff. between my Athlon 550 and 850.

if that says anything

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:45 pm

If your board is slot 1 and runs on a 100mhz fsb, then yes. You can run any coppermine, 850e - 1000e on the board, if in fact your friend did it.

And as far as I know, all the P3s have on die l2 cache. Just get the damn ghz already.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:28 pm

Well I'm just stating what you gave me from you website. Yes it's possible to go higher, but I was looking over the bios updates and I don't see anything about a multiplier change, which is the main thing that allows for you to reach such high speeds. Know unless you have the manual for your mobo and it says you have a 10.0X or 8.5X multiplier, it won't work. Not only that it may not except the slot versions of the coppermine. If you tried a slotket along with a FCPGA chip, it might but I'm still doubtful on that on.

http://www.gateway.com/support/techdocs ... #processor

Then click on processor support. I fail to see why you didn't notice this before making this post..

Another question, is your friend mother the EXACT same one you have? If not, well I'm going word for word here from the Gateway tech staff I talked to:
"This mother board supports front side bus speeds of 66mhz to 100mhz and processor speeds from 400mhz to 600mhz."

So waht you can gather from this is that your highest multiplier setting is 6.0x, and even at a 100mhz fronside bus, you can only reach 600mhz.

And the statement above still stands true. You cannot use a coppermine processor(PIII or Celeron II) with this motherboard.

And like macho said, trust my word.

syncmaster · Post by **syncmaster** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:38 pm

Originally posted by Macho-Module
If your board is slot 1 and runs on a 100mhz fsb, then yes. You can run any coppermine, 850e - 1000e on the board, if in fact your friend did it.

And as far as I know, all the P3s have on die l2 cache. Just get the damn ghz already.

Nop thats not truth ...

If your motherboard does not support 1,6 CPU core voltage you can not use a copermine .

The only way to do it , its to use a very good slotcket with voltage regulators on it , and one FCPGA chip .

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:18 am

Originally posted by ChuckDees
blebs99,

The Intel site says 86A while my mobo is 15A. Will that make a difference.

For the informational purposes, the documents are correct. I'm not sure of what the designation of .86A and .15A are for, unless it's a manufacturer exclusive designation. We have Tabor motherboards and when you look the stuff up on Gateways site, the call it the Jabil motherboard. I'm going to do some checking on the BIOS revisions from Intel, meanwhile, I would hope someone could perhaps tell us the differences in the designations?

Here is Intels words:
The first TWO sections of the BIOS code you see on your computer must EXACTLY match the BIOS identifier codes for standard Intel motherboards. In this example, the "4D4KL0X0" identifies the motherboard type, and the "86A" indicates it is a standard Intel version (86B, 86C, or 86E are also used on some boards). If the first two sections do not match, then your motherboard was manufactured for a specific OEM. Please contact that manufacturer for help with your board.

So long as your not Flashing your BIOS, the information for the board is safe to read through. (It is much more informative then the Gateway site, for particular aspects of the board itself.
Hope this clears things up a bit.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:28 am

Originally posted by syncmaster

Nop thats not truth ...

If your motherboard does not support 1,6 CPU core voltage you can not use a copermine .

The only way to do it , its to use a very good slotcket with voltage regulators on it , and one FCPGA chip .

Well I didnt really check out his link. He said his friend with a similar mobo get a cumine to work.

Ces't la vie.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:32 am

Here is the link to my friends motherboard.

http://www.gateway.com/support/techdocs ... 0x12.shtml

He was able to put a 850 pIII in his.

What do you think guys, especially terrancelam?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:00 am

but like I said earlier, please read the links before you post. You already know the answer man, if it's in his mobo and working, then it works...

http://www.gateway.com/support/techdocs ... #processor

[Quote]
Taken from the Gateway website
Processor Support

This motherboard supports one Pentium&3174; II processor. The processor's Voltage Identification (VID) pins automatically program the voltage regulator on the motherboard to the required processor voltage. The motherboard currently supports processors that are compliant with the VRM 8.2 DC-DC Converter Design Guidelines document. This is the specification that defines DC-to-DC converters to meet the power requirements of the Intel Pentium II processor and future microprocessors.

Note: This motherboard supports Pentium II processors with a 100 or 66MHz front side bus (FSB).

Processors with a 100MHz FSB should only be used with 100MHz RAM.
Processors with a 66MHz FSB can be used with 100 or 66MHz RAM.
The 4000590 motherboard is a revision of part number 4000444. The purpose of this revision is to add support for Coppermine (CuMine) Pentium® III processors.

Always look for the fine print. Once again, if you want a faster speed and what not, get a new computer. The only thing I can see you salvaging on is the monitor.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:04 am

You friend might have seen some increase in performance, but I can't seem to tell if the board he's using is a BX one. I know from my personal experience with PIII chipsets, the most effective one is the BX and give the most memory bandwidth for the PIII with SD-ram.

As for a new computer if you do want some help with that, you'll get plenty out of my and some of the other members here. But a general warning, a great deal of us here are on the AMD bandwagon, with the exception of a few case, who we've yet to convert.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:07 am

But that is his. Mine is a slight variation. Will mine support it?

My specs according to Gateways web page don't mention anything about:

The 4000590 motherboard is a revision of part number 4000444. The purpose of this revision is to add support for Coppermine (CuMine) Pentium® III processors.

So what do you think?

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:11 am

Originally posted by terrancelam
Well I'm just stating what you gave me from you website. Yes it's possible to go higher, but I was looking over the bios updates and I don't see anything about a multiplier change, which is the main thing that allows for you to reach such high speeds. Know unless you have the manual for your mobo and it says you have a 10.0X or 8.5X multiplier, it won't work. Not only that it may not except the slot versions of the coppermine. If you tried a slotket along with a FCPGA chip, it might but I'm still doubtful on that on.

http://www.gateway.com/support/techdocs ... #processor

Then click on processor support. I fail to see why you didn't notice this before making this post..

Another question, is your friend mother the EXACT same one you have? If not, well I'm going word for word here from the Gateway tech staff I talked to:
"This mother board supports front side bus speeds of 66mhz to 100mhz and processor speeds from 400mhz to 600mhz."

So waht you can gather from this is that your highest multiplier setting is 6.0x, and even at a 100mhz fronside bus, you can only reach 600mhz.

And the statement above still stands true. You cannot use a coppermine processor(PIII or Celeron II) with this motherboard.

And like macho said, trust my word.

nough said.

ChuckDees · Post by **ChuckDees** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:16 am

On my spec page it mentions and you had mentioned

"The 4000608 motherboard does not support processors 2507072 and 2507074 or any other Coppermine processors"

I work for Gateway and that is not my part number of my mobo. (4000608).

My part number is 4000446.

If you can man I'm in the IRC chatroom right now if you wanna talk there.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:21 am

what I gathered from that Tech staffer, even if you got a PIII, you can only goto 600mhz. Unless your variation is of the wonder kind, I don't know. I'm tired and my brain needs it's rest. I'll help you again tomorrow.

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