Tbird 1.4 vs. P4 1.4

codename47 · Post by **codename47** » Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:17 am

I am thinking about buying a CPU for the new computer i'm building, but not sure if I should go with a Tbird or P4 1.4 Ghz. I really like AMD, but wanted to hear some other opinions on them before deciding. Thanks

merkster · Post by **merkster** » Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:08 am

AMD i would say even the AMD 1.3 beets the P4 1.4

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:06 am

AMD 1.4 tromps the P4 1.4. Due to differences in design, it's not a direct clock per clock comparison.

The AMD 1.2 - 1.3 is similar in performance to the P4 1.8 in "most apps" to give you an idea.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:32 am

yep you can't judge mhz vs. mhz anymore

you now have to look at the whole chip and look at performance comparisions.... a 1.4 T-Bird in most cases out performs a P4 1.7-1.8

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:48 pm

It was pretty dirty, the P4 1.7ghz performed on the level and a bit higher then the T-bird 1.4ghz, which is freaky. Maybe Intel is getting their groove back! But back to business, for head on pricing, the T-bird 1.4ghz kicks the P4 1.4ghz all the way to the bank, so without a doubt I can recommend the T-bird to you if your getting it in a system combo. But if you plan on installing it yourself, buyer beware, AMD systems are run a bit hotter then their Intel counter parts and since their cores and instruction sets are new generation and weren't used for the base of most older programs, you may experience some problems with some older games. Strangely enough, people have been experiencing some problems playing Unreal Tournament. I'll update you on their situation as it plays out.

el bob · Post by **el bob** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:34 pm

Definitely the Tbird 1.4

CompGeek83 · Post by **CompGeek83** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:11 pm

Originally posted by terrancelam
It was pretty dirty, the P4 1.7ghz performed on the level and a bit higher then the T-bird 1.4ghz, which is freaky. Maybe Intel is getting their groove back! But back to business, for head on pricing, the T-bird 1.4ghz kicks the P4 1.4ghz all the way to the bank, so without a doubt I can recommend the T-bird to you if your getting it in a system combo. But if you plan on installing it yourself, buyer beware, AMD systems are run a bit hotter then their Intel counter parts and since their cores and instruction sets are new generation and weren't used for the base of most older programs, you may experience some problems with some older games. Strangely enough, people have been experiencing some problems playing Unreal Tournament. I'll update you on their situation as it plays out.

intel may catch up for a minute with a quality proc or two, but as soon as this little mobile chip battle is over AMD will probably release a chip running at 2 - 2.5 gig blowing Intel into the twilight zone as they could readily match the megaherts with the P4 but not the actual performance

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:16 pm

Intel's P4 is more expensive yo

and there is MORE to get that isn't compatible with anything, like you have to have that special P4 Case to put a P4 mobo on because of the holes the heatsink screws into, it's totally ridiculous, and there is NO upgrade path because Intel is going to change sockets again on their next chip, so there will be no upgrading....

while AMD is staying with Socket A so you can slap a T-bird on there now and then slap an Athlon 4 on there later, then a Hammer even later..... etc... good upgrade path with AMD, NO upgrade path with P4

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:42 pm

NO upgrade path with P4

W3rd my brutha! How you think'n Intel gonna score all dat chedda!

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:35 pm

smart marketing, both are trying to test the waters. AMD is trying to break the iron grip of Intel by given the consumer flexibility with their upgrade options and leans towards a more informed consumer who more computer oriented in their lifestyle. Intel has the more average joe who doesn't know too much about computers, who preffer not to be upgrading much and . Not only this; intel has positioned themselves into a place niche, so to speak. Just about every program/application/game was designed with the Intel x86 core in mind. This competition is great for us consumers, but if one of them should ever win, oh boy...We'll be the ones paying for it in the end.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:44 pm

This war will wage for years.

Intel has got the cash, industry allies, and brand recognition to remain in the game for ages. Also remember that Intel is the elder of the two chip makers.

AMD has got solid technology and masses of informed computer savvy people supporting and touting them through word of mouth. Also they have acquired a friend in Nvidia by supporting the nForce chipset.

And Cyrix has molten hot chips that will burn through your flesh after they throw them at you.

I almost look at Intel and AMD like PC vs. MAC now.

I know it sounds kind of strange, but they both have merits. They are just different and the Mhz cannot be compared between the two any longer.

There are so many other factors to consider, but I don't feel like hashing those up.

The gist of this is: Intel and AMD will be duking it out for years to come. AMD is (slowly) gaining strength but not momentum, therefore guaranteeing balance.

We win.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:49 pm

Heheh Hey doesn't Via own or make like cyrix chips now? As for Intel, I do believe after having a fallout with Nvidia, they now are working with ATI to establish an unholy alliance! WOooooo Buyer beware.

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:16 pm

Yeah, via makes Cyrix now.

ph33r!!!

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:39 am

Ugh, Intel's getting in bed with ATI? What was the fallout with nVidia?

I'll be heading over to the AMD side this fall, I've been waiting for those buggy Via "I don't like to work with any hardware you choose" chipsets to settle down, or another chipset to come out that supports them, like how's AMD's own 76X chipset doing?

Gaming-Module · Post by **Gaming-Module** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:12 pm

Not sure about the 76 AMD chips, but Via surely sucks.

My first Via really does not like Creative products, while my Intel chipset hasn't given me any grief.

Via can go eat a bag of hell.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:19 pm

AMD's 760 chipset rox0rs

You odn't have to install all the patches like you have to do with th e VIA 4n1's, there are only 2 patches for the AMD 760 and it's only if your running Windows 2000 THATS IT

and it's stable and FAST, it has more options in BIOS to tweak for memory settings and crap, like you know in VIA chipsets how setting your memory to Turbo is the fastest? Well with the AMD 760 it can go one step higher to an Ultra setting!!!! Of course this would need some kick ass ram to do especially if your overclocking because it's VERY agressive memory settings at Ultra, but if you can get it to that stabily it's hella fast

Anyways I've pick the AMD 760 over the original KT266 anyday, but now the new KT266-R i'm not sure about yet, i'll wait till Abit gets their board based on it comes out first before i judge that updated chipset.....

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 4:39 pm

Yeah in a few more months I'll prob give the TBird a go with the 760 set.

It's the VIA that's held me back, hate 'em. Tis one of the reasons why Athlon users love Win2K...cuz it's to stable, it doesn't burp with all the little hiccups the VIA gives the OS. With Win9X, the VIA blows is up so much.

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 4:50 pm

Via has a huge share of the market though and ever since they started moving out of Taiwan (Both their R&D and manufacturing plants), things have been getting a bit chaotic. I think AMD's new chipset might prove to ALOT better then anything we've seen thus far.

matia · Post by **matia** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:12 pm

How much better is the T-bid than the Athlon 266? I've heard the P4 beats the Athlon 266

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:05 am

What are you talking about......??!?!?!

Crump · Post by **Crump** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:37 am

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Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 6:33 pm

Okay,

Only thing I'd ask is that we be adult enough to keep it from becoming an AMD/Intel shouting match. EVERYONE visiting speedguide should be savvy enough to move past marketing hype (from any company) and focus on making what doesn't work, work. And what works... work better.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

matia · Post by **matia** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 7:01 pm

I was just saying I've read the P4 is a little faster on higher resolutions in games than the Athlon 266 anyway which is better the T-bird or the 266.

newbie69 · Post by **newbie69** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 7:34 pm

t-birds come in 200MHz FSB and 266MHzFSB

terrancelam · Post by **terrancelam** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 10:16 pm

but, Matia, you might want to learn abit more about cpus and try and make your posts a but more understandable. Yes the P4 1.7 ghz does do a bit better when used with an amazing videocard and is in the higher resolution. And as Newbie as so kindly posted, the AMD T-bird comes in two fsb setting, 200 and 266. When you post, don't just post P4, because it's so very non-descriptive of the cpu, I mean different speeds do make a difference, it's not just a name that you are buying. So do a little more reading on the subject before posting something like that.

Crump · Post by **Crump** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 10:58 pm

I just got the new pc world from work and it says the "new PIII beats first Athlon 4's"

Merc · Post by **Merc** » Sat Aug 04, 2001 4:56 pm

I just cant wait til AMD puts out their Server Chipsets and see how they compare to the XEONS, I hope they blow them away there will be a huge change in the the networks when that happens.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Aug 04, 2001 5:16 pm

Originally posted by Bouncer
Okay,

Only thing I'd ask is that we be adult enough to keep it from becoming an AMD/Intel shouting match. EVERYONE visiting speedguide should be savvy enough to move past marketing hype (from any company) and focus on making what doesn't work, work. And what works... work better.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Buoncer post!

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i like via chipset i had a crappy i810 on my last system and intel sucked on that board, the 760 chipset looks good i think i want one, wait i do! lol

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 11:31 pm

What a difference of opinion time makes....lol

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MikeyMan · Post by **MikeyMan** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:47 am

My 1.4ghz t-bird @ 1583mhz smokes a 2.0ghz P4 Northwood and then some... uh, T-bird. :-)

Of course, why not go for a 1600XP if you want just 1.4ghz?

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:35 pm

looks like the p4 northwood craze is over

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:40 pm

moderators should make a new category.... well two..... one for

AMD vs INTEL

and

NVIDIA vs ATI

this way peoples hate and anger towards each can be properly released, and such arguments dont have to be dealt with in these forums.

ive decided on a plan for upgrades or new systems .... each time i upgrade or build a new system it will be back and forth....... first i got the p3..... then a AMD XP now a p4a ..... next will have to be AMD's next gen......

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 9:57 pm

Originally posted by terrancelam
Intel has the more average joe who doesn't know too much about computers,

Hey, I'm offended by that

J/K

Anyway as for the socket change, chances are that by the time the change to a different socket, there will be better chipsets out on the market, so by then it would be in the best interest to buy a new mobo anyway. Besides intel will use the 478 up to 3.2 ghz. So that is plenty of time for upgrades. BTW, I agree about were intel has its market.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:53 pm

i myself prefer the p4's cause of the heat and Oc ability

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:54 pm

this thread is a year old!

times change, i go with what's better.....

right now p4 pwns

a lot happens in the computer world fast, in a year it can do a 180 on ya, and then go back again

SICMF · Post by **SICMF** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:57 pm

Holy Sh*t! I didn't know this was 1 year old. Who resurected this?

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:59 pm

Originally posted by Hybridmonolith
Holy Sh*t! I didn't know this was 1 year old. Who resurected this?

Chris

monkeyhead · Post by **monkeyhead** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 11:05 pm

wow... interesting

mvern2 · Post by **mvern2** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 11:23 pm

no matter what AMD's CPu's are the best when it comes to price VS performace....unless Intels cpu's reflect more of AMd's pricings on their chips, i'll will forever be AMD!!!

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Waaah Cyrix! 6x86!!!

Tooo bad Via is so big..

Excuse me????

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