UNSTABLE PING/ MAJOR PACKET LOSS

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 7:32 pm

Hi, i play q2 and im gettin packet loss up the @ss what can i do to stablize it. when i join a game i ping about 70, then jumps to 220 or so depending on what im doin in game. its almost impossible to play like this. does anyone know why this is happening to me?

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:03 pm

Please follow guideline:
1. go to www.dslreports/tools
2. Click on tweak tester
3. Put, by clicking a check mark in the verbose box, run test
4, Highlight everthing in the box with your mouse and press Ctrl & c
5. Come back to Speedguide, same thread you were on, reply, in the box
hit Ctrl & v, this will copy results so I may see them.
6. Thank you and good luck.

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:25 pm

Hi lobo, thx for the help so far. here are the results.

* Please wait up to 10 seconds.. collecting data
* Your RWIN reads as 65535
* All tests passed perfectly.
* We recommend you leave everything as it is!
Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b401010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
Your MTU is set ok
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability 519 325 141 117 122 116 128 135 304 150
Wide variation in ping, 150 to 519
Quick packet-loss tested ok
DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 65535
Your RWIN limits you @205.7ms to 2548kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 2621kbps
Your RWIN is set ok at 65535
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:29 pm

Follow directions on patch page to install, but you need if you are running WIN 98 or SE
patch Vtcp386 Fix to get your RWIN # above 65535, retest post results back here

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:38 pm

aight.

* Please wait up to 10 seconds.. collecting data
* Some tests failed.
* Your RWIN 8192 is too low
* Recommendations end.
* Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b401010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
* Your MTU is set ok
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability 131 198 160 130 150 156 330 145 332 149
* Quick packet-loss tested ok
DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 8192
Your RWIN limits you @188.1ms to 348kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 327kbps
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:42 pm

What you have is default now, here are some instructions, what you have already done you do not have to do again:
First bring up REGEDIT, type REGEDIT in your run box and hit OK.
Under Registry at the top of the box, click on that, now click on Export Registry File, a box will come up asking where you want to export it to, just put it in your C drive, then name it at the bottem of box, Registry. Click on ALL at the bottom so it copies all of your registry.
Click on save.
Now if you ever get in trouble or want the old regestry back, bring REGEDIT back up and click on Registry and click on import registry file, go to your C drive and click on registry and click open, reboot and your good to go.
Anytime you add a new program, backup again, any program, back it up to the same place as the last one, it will overwrite it. If you do not backup after each new program is instaled you will not have those setting's in regestry if you have to backup for some reason.

Do nothing else in this box as it is the heart of your computer, just what it says above and no more!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. You probaly need to PRINT these instructions!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go to main page on Speedguide, go to patch page (Listed on left)
2. Download the faster loading of webpages for your OS, download the speedpatch for your OS, becarefull, there are alot of patches on this page. Please read installation instructions for these patchs on patch page.Please read how to install speed patch.
3. Download the back to default patch for your OS, do not install this patch, just download it in case you ever want to change patches.Please ead instructions on patch on how to install speed patch.
4. Download Vtcp386 Fix patch if you are running WIN 95,98 or 98SE and install (Big V). Additionally, if your OS is Win 95, you will also need to download and install the vtcp386 .zip (small v) and the Windows Socket Two patch.
5. Go to www.dslreports.com/tools bookmark this page as you may wish to return. Run tweak tester, check the verbose box, turn off firewalls, if you have one, copy the results by highlighing everything in the box with your mouse, then hit Ctrl & c, with your key board, come back to Speedguide and in same post you were in reply, when box comes up , cursor blinking at start of box hit Ctrl & v, this will copy results in box so I may look at them.
7. I do not recommend adding any other patches, all these tests change by the minute so don't be fooled an start adding patch after patch.
8. The best time to test for speed is early in the morning when no one (or not many) people are on the net.
9. Nothing should be running during any test, no virus stuff, firewalls,
and always clear (Delete, no this will not harm your system) your temp internet files before each test, not once during testing, after each test.
10. Do not add other speed patches on top of each other, always go back to default before trying another patch, I am aware of only one patch that will remove previous patch without having to return to default.
11. In the future, here are some other sites you may wish to visit, go to www.testmyspeed.com. Please bookmark that page as well as www.pcpitstop.com so you may return. Also another good dowload site would be www.happypuppy.com click on 10 demos and a large download file, do not download the whole file, just most of it.
12. You may in the future wish to go to www.AnalogX.com and download Net Stat Live, run this while downloading a large file.
13. Please take your time and good luck. I would suggest at least 128 RAM and read up on all this, but be care full.
14. The most accurate way of testing speed is downloading large file as explained above from somewhere like www.happypuppy.com (not all of it, just most of it). All other speed test sites will vary, www.AOL.com is another fast server, you may download from this site also, remember to delete temp internet files before doing test. Try both sites as 1 may be having problems.
When refering to speed Kb is Kilobits, KB is Kilobytes Divide by 8 kilobits to get kilobytes.
Also you may wish to download Dr.TCP from www.dslreports.com to adjust MSS, MTU. RWIN and other numbers in future, this is for advanced people and I do not recommend changing any numbers that patches put in.

RUN DEFRAG AT LEAST EVERY 2 DAYS
People runnng WIN 98 or 98SE should run System File Checker once a week to make sure you have all files, all you really care about should be the Windows files and subfolders. To get to this, start, programs,accessories,system tools, system information. Click on tools in System information and it will be there. More information about it in Help.

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:27 pm

* Please wait up to 10 seconds.. collecting data
* Some tests failed.
* Your RWIN 8192 is too low
* Recommendations end.
* Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b401010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
* Your MTU is set ok
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability 230 169 202 200 408 215 154 201 165 183
* Quick packet-loss tested ok
DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 8192
Your RWIN limits you @212.7ms to 308kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 327kbps
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:32 pm

You did not read on patch page how to install patch, your still at default, go to where you unzipped speed patch to, RIGHT click on it, up to install, click, reboot, retest, by here, I;m sorry but we have to do it

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:37 pm

i didnt extract it, i double clicked on the file (once open in winzip) and it went over the regi

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:39 pm

I don't understand what you are saying

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:50 pm

i opend the zipfile in winzip, the winzip window pops up containing the file. then i just double clicked the file and it said merge blah blah blah registry and so on. so i clicked yes and rebooted then did the test.

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 9:56 pm

No unzip the file to program files, go there, RIGHT click on it and up to install, reboot, retest, back here

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:02 pm

* Please wait up to 10 seconds.. collecting data
* Some tests failed.
* Investigate your packet loss problem
* Investigate your packet loss problem
* Your RWIN 8192 is too low
* Recommendations end.
* Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b401010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
* Your MTU is set ok
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability - 166 367 175 157 379 187 151 148 146
* packet-loss check using 56 byte packets
* Packet-loss problem shown
3 packets lost out of 30 56 byte pkts sent
* packet-loss check using 1000 byte packets
* Packet-loss problem shown
3 packets lost out of 30 1000 byte pkts sent
DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 8192
Your RWIN limits you @308.428571428571ms to 212kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 327kbps
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:04 pm

You do not have speed patch installed, try again, change winzip over to other way of opening

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:08 pm

alright i feel really dumb now. my winzip over?

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:15 pm

Classic style or win zip wizard, you want winzip wizard

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:23 pm

okay man i did it but when i right click on the file there is no option to install. only merge.

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:25 pm

OK click on merge, reboot, retest, back here

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:33 pm

* Please wait up to 10 seconds.. collecting data
* Some tests failed.
* Your RWIN 8192 is too low
* Recommendations end.
* Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b401010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
* Your MTU is set ok
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability 195 371 192 149 206 160 201 152 164 312
* Quick packet-loss tested ok
DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 8192
Your RWIN limits you @210.2ms to 311kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 327kbps
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:37 pm

Patch is not in, go to www.cablenut.com , download his 3.65 patch, download, install, reboot, retest, back here, having fun

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:51 pm

ya im having fun. ill be having more fun if we fix this prob. thx again. and here.

* Please wait up to 10 seconds.. collecting data
* Your RWIN reads as 41600
* Some tests failed.
* Investigate your packet loss problem
* Investigate your packet loss problem
* Recommendations end.
* Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b40103030301010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
* Your MTU is set ok
Window Scaling 3 bits (RFC1323)
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability 192 160 154 166 150 151 163 164 - 169
* packet-loss check using 56 byte packets
* Packet-loss problem shown
5 packets lost out of 30 56 byte pkts sent
* packet-loss check using 1000 byte packets
* Packet-loss problem shown
3 packets lost out of 30 1000 byte pkts sent
Scaled DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 41600
Your RWIN limits you @236.622950819672ms to 1406kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 1664kbps
* Your RWIN is set ok at 41600
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:55 pm

OK the patch is in, but your pings are still to high, you will have to call cable people about this, what is your CPU sir

dekoy · Post by **dekoy** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 10:56 pm

k6-2 475 w/128ram

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Sun Mar 04, 2001 11:00 pm

You can't do a speed test at this time of night, but I believe you can use his fast cable, I do with 500 CPU, big difference, call cable company about pings and packet loss, the pings are not as bad as they were but still to high

Gza · Post by **Gza** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 4:26 pm

I also kinda have the same problem while playing Q3. On good servers I get around 60 ping, then like every 2 mins it creeps up to 120, making me jerk for a sec. I have a PII-300 BTW.

* Please wait up to 20 seconds.. collecting data
* Your RWIN reads as 41600
* Some tests failed.
* Investigate your packet loss problem
* Investigate your packet loss problem
* Recommendations end.
* Detail..
TCPopts hex string is 020405b40103030301010402
Max Segment Size is 1460
* Your MTU is set ok
Window Scaling 3 bits (RFC1323)
SACK Permitted (RFC2018)
Ping stability 84 - 44 72 48 46 47 45 47 43
* packet-loss check using 56 byte packets
* Packet-loss problem shown
4 packets lost out of 30 56 byte pkts sent
* packet-loss check using 1000 byte packets
* Packet-loss problem shown
3 packets lost out of 30 1000 byte pkts sent
Scaled DefaultRcvWindow (RWIN) is 41600
Your RWIN limits you @103.161290322581ms to 3226kbps
Your RWIN limits you @200ms to 1664kbps
* Your RWIN is set ok at 41600
Your Path MTU Discovery is ON
Max sized data packet from you 1500
* End

This was done after installing the Cablenut patch.

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 5:55 pm

Everything looks good except that one packet loss witch would be a cable problem, try another test and post results

Gza · Post by **Gza** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:55 pm

Hmmm, strange, I would sometimes pass the test perfectly, and sometimes get that packet loss error. Could it relate to my pings too, and how I can get pretty good pings, then all of a sudden spike for half a second or two?

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:02 pm

I would not worry about it as so many things go in to taking a online test, mostly how many people are on net, each time you take online test you will most likely get diffeent results.

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:05 pm

Forgot, yes your packet loss is because of ping loss

Gza · Post by **Gza** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:45 pm

Oh, but what should I do about the spiky-ping problem? It's still kinda there.

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:50 pm

Take test right below this thread, on page 1, click on the thing, you will see it, post results here, highlight every thing in box, hit Ctrl & c, on you keyboard, back on this thread in box, curser blinking hit Ctrl & v, that will copy info

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:41 pm

Take test at Thread NEW TCP ANALYZER, 1st post, Link

Gza · Post by **Gza** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:47 pm

TCP options string = 020405b40103030301010402

MTU = 1500

MTU is at optimal value

MSS = 1460

Maximum useful data in each packet = 1460, which seems to be equal to MSS.

Default Receive Window (RWIN) = 332880
RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 3 bits
Unscaled Receive Window = 41610

RWIN is a multiple of MSS
Other values for RWIN that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
256960 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
192720 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 3)
128480 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64240 (MSS x 44)

bandwidth * delay product:

Your RcvWindow limits you to: 26630.4 kbps (3328.8 KBytes/s) @ 100ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 13315.2 kbps (1664.4 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
Your RcvWindow limits you to: 5326.08 kbps (665.76 KBytes/s) @ 500ms

MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = true

Time to live = 118 hops

Timestamps (RFC1323) = false

Selective Acknowledgements (RFC2018) = true

IP type of service = 0

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:56 pm

OK, First go to main page this site, click on Registry tweaks on left, go down till you see Tcp1323opts, this needs to be set to 1,
it tells you on that page how to bring up registry and do it, click on Tcp1323opts in registry, and then, edit at top of box, then click on modify, enter 1 here

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 9:16 pm

You already have 1 there, everything looks fine, it's not your puter, it's a cable problem if you loose packets and you will have to call them, I'm working with to many people at once as their was another way to do all this, but anyway since you are using Cablenuts patch, on your desktop is a icon with his name on it, click on it, and go to adjuster, RIGHT click on this and then click on shortcut on desktop. Do not change any numbers in this box until you fully understand what you are doing and do not put another patch on top of his, this is not how it works, I am going to leave you direction to backup your registry if you have not done so, this is very, very important:

First bring up REGEDIT, type REGEDIT in your run box and hit OK.
Under Registry at the top of the box, click on that, now click on Export Registry File, a box will come up asking where you want to export it to, just put it in your C drive, then name it at the bottem of box, Registry. Click on ALL at the bottom so it copies all of your registry.
Click on save.
Now if you ever get in trouble or want the old regestry back, bring REGEDIT back up and click on Registry and click on import registry file, go to your C drive and click on registry and click open, reboot and your good to go.
Anytime you add a new program, backup again, any program, back it up to the same place as the last one, it will overwrite it. If you do not backup after each new program is instaled you will not have those setting's in regestry if you have to backup for some reason.

Do nothing else in this box as it is the heart of your computer, just what it says above and no more!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Call cable company if you have anymore packet loss

Gza · Post by **Gza** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 9:28 pm

I don't see any adjuster thingy...

Lobo · Post by **Lobo** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 9:36 pm

I;m thinking of version 4.0 that was recalled, you have 3.65, I'm sorry, snif, I'm mixed up, please disreguard

Gza · Post by **Gza** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:03 pm

dannjr · Post by **dannjr** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:12 pm

You can get 4.0 here just don't use it on Windows ME not recomended http://microsystems.homestead.com/Win2k.html