ObamaCare's Secret History

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:24 am

ObamaCare's Secret History

The truth is that this destructive legislation wasn't inevitable and far better reforms were possible. They still are, though they might have gained more traction in 2009 and 2010 with the right support. The miracle is that, despite this collusion of big government and big business, ObamaCare has received the public scorn that it deserves.

It's been nothing but a sham since day one and they still pushed it through. How does everyone not see right through his masquerade? He's in bed with the 1% yet bashes them supporting the Occupy movement? Can't people see he is nothing but a total scam artist?

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:03 pm

If fail to understand why you do not see that he is like every other politician. Full of crap and says whatever they can in order to gain support.

SlyOneDoofy · Post by **SlyOneDoofy** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:45 pm

RaisinCain wrote:If fail to understand why you do not see that he is like every other politician. Full of crap and says whatever they can in order to gain support.

Never have I heard more honest words spoken.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:54 pm

I don't fail to see that, I fail to see why others don't....... why do you think I post this? So others will see what I already know. But Obama, he is in a class all by himself when it comes to lying crooked politicians, he has an EXTREME FAR left agenda and is BY FAR the most liberal President to hold the office.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:12 pm

Well, he hasn't STARTED any unnecessary wars that I know of (Bush). Matter of fact the main reason the U.S. is the way that it is now is because of the entire Bush administration (8 years of it at that). So calling Obama extreme and far left is really reaching.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:44 pm

RaisinCain wrote:Well, he hasn't STARTED any unnecessary wars that I know of (Bush). Matter of fact the main reason the U.S. is the way that it is now is because of the entire Bush administration (8 years of it at that). So calling Obama extreme and far left is really reaching.

Agreed. Obama isn't even the worst of the last 20 years much less the worst of all-time. As much as people want to downplay what Bush did his actions led to the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and U.S. soldiers. Those deaths weigh far more on Bush than anything Obama has done. mnosteele has a right to express his view, but I strongly disagree with his assessment that because someone disagrees with him about Obama that we are uninformed or wrong. Frankly it's the reason I simply do not engage him any further on the topic of Obama. As much as he would like to think he is informing us of something he isn't. It just comes down to a difference of opinion.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:33 pm

RaisinCain wrote:So calling Obama extreme and far left is really reaching.

That statement shows your true ignorance of politics.

You sound like Obama blaming Bush. For 2 years Obama and the Democrats had FULL control to do whatever they needed and all they did was push their poor agenda and put this country further into debt than Bush ever did, he has increased our debt in 3 years more then Bush did in 8 years.

Do you not understand he had TOTAL control for 2 whole years to pass any policies needed to turn this country around and all he did was push us into a major recession with his failed policies.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:50 pm

I give up. You are obviously ignorant or unwilling to accept the facts. You also seem to post whatever supports your agenda. I hope nobody else wastes their time from now on and that you will eventually disappear from the site when dealing with Obama.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:25 pm

RaisinCain wrote:I give up. You are obviously ignorant or unwilling to accept the facts.

Facts, where? I post a link to an article with facts backing up what I post. You on the other hand simply say I'm wrong with nothing to backup your posts.

Even Democrats agree he is the most liberal President this county has ever had and recently a few very well known, big money Democrats have left the party because they do not support Obama's far left views and agendas.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:16 pm

You keep trashing Obama without looking at the facts about the previous administration. Your arguments are crap and there have been several others that have pointed this out. You fail to grasp the concept of your own argument. I, myself, am done at this point. I just thought that I would throw my 2 cents in. You obviously don't get it. Continue to feed the other users the crap in your posts. I only hope that the other users see it and stop responding like I have.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:27 pm

I cannot help and do not care what previous Administrations did, this is now that was then. As I have said NUMEROUS times, I was never a big Bush supporter, would I rather have him over Obama? Absolutely, I would rather have ANYONE over Obama. I have never denied the facts about previous Administrations so I don't know why you would even bring that up?

I said these same things 4 years ago when Obama was running in 2008, now there is MUCH more proof to what I have been saying. His agenda is to ruin this country, other Presidents may not have been great or even good but I have never seen a President with a destructive agenda like Obama..... you don't get that and neither do many others..... that's my point... getting all of you to get it and not vote for him.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:24 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Facts, where? I post a link to an article with facts backing up what I post. You on the other hand simply say I'm wrong with nothing to backup your posts.

Even Democrats agree he is the most liberal President this county has ever had and recently a few very well known, big money Democrats have left the party because they do not support Obama's far left views and agendas.

You typically post opinion. Facts exist that politicians are hogs at very wealthy personal and corporate troughs. The rest is schoolyard finger pointing

Do you really think Obama is the most liberal of all presidents? Not FDR, not JFK not LBJ? This country took a hard right with the election of Reagan in 1980. It had changed the scale by which Liberalism and Conservatism are measured. Perhaps it is the reason why you might consider Obama so incredibly liberal. Still, it flies in the face of the budget cutting he has sought during his presidency. But the Fox/Limbaugh shouting point mill will harp on the Healthcare bill and the conservative conspiracy buffs with talk of the puppeteers, who have sought fit to place the GOP in the oval office in 24 of the past 40 years.

I am sure you are aware that a substantial number of his supporters feel that he has not been liberal enough, and these are not just dreadlocked city campers.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:41 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:I cannot help and do not care what previous Administrations did, this is now that was then. As I have said NUMEROUS times, I was never a big Bush supporter, would I rather have him over Obama? Absolutely, I would rather have ANYONE over Obama. I have never denied the facts about previous Administrations so I don't know why you would even bring that up?

I said these same things 4 years ago when Obama was running in 2008, now there is MUCH more proof to what I have been saying. His agenda is to ruin this country, other Presidents may not have been great or even good but I have never seen a President with a destructive agenda like Obama..... you don't get that and neither do many others..... that's my point... getting all of you to get it and not vote for him.

To say you would have ANYONE over Obama, implies that this is personal, even irrational. Please, as a someone who respects you a good deal, do not become like Ghosthunter.

George W. Bush fudging data to engage the US into two Asian wars with no determinable goals, did more to ruin this great country than Obama's health care bill. That would be my opinion.
Craig, I have read the information you presented in many different formats and it remains unconvincing. Why? Because Romney is every bit the fraud, as was Gingrich and Santorum. Having dealt with lower level government, I have seen these muckty mucks grovel for coins for whoever was offering.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:14 am

David wrote:To say you would have ANYONE over Obama, implies that this is personal, even irrational. Please, as a someone who respects you a good deal, do not become like Ghosthunter.

George W. Bush fudging data to engage the US into two Asian wars with no determinable goals, did more to ruin this great country than Obama's health care bill. That would be my opinion.
Craig, I have read the information you presented in many different formats and it remains unconvincing. Why? Because Romney is every bit the fraud, as was Gingrich and Santorum. Having dealt with lower level government, I have seen these muckty mucks grovel for coins for whoever was offering.

I would comment on this, but you haven't accepted my idea of what's going on, though you just sighted how many instances. Nothing is going to change. It will all continue regardless of who is in office.

RaisinCain · Post by **RaisinCain** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:39 pm

blebs wrote:I would comment on this, but you haven't accepted my idea of what's going on, though you just sighted how many instances. Nothing is going to change. It will all continue regardless of who is in office.

Thank You!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:45 pm

Has apathy gotten us here? I see it every day. I am the only guy who votes where I work. Mind-numbing BS has damn near wrecked society. We are the reason that government has gotten so big. Stop eating like pigs, smoking like freight trains, drinking like fish & get some damn self respect. A society too fat & stupid to rebel is bound to be enslaved.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:42 am

blebs wrote:I would comment on this, but you haven't accepted my idea of what's going on, though you just sighted how many instances. Nothing is going to change. It will all continue regardless of who is in office.

I understand you perspective, and we are not far apart.

BigMo,

It is not apathy as much a resignation. Winning at the ballot box is not the answer...