Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

Gerald285 · Post by **Gerald285** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:47 am

President offering to sell out America??? You decide.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03 ... g-missile/

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:34 am

Nah, we were already sold to China.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:14 pm

How exactly would that be selling out America?

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:10 pm

First, this is from Fox *not* news.

Second, this is from Gerald the jesus troll.

Both make me discount the thread as rational.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:56 pm

Humboldt wrote:First, this is from Fox *not* news.

Come on now, don't hate on Fox, they are the only one's who don't kiss Obama's a@#. But he did say it, it's recorded.

What worries me that if he gets re-elected he will really ruin this country, he knows he will have nothing to lose and will push HIS agenda harder than ever before. Be ready for the United Socialist States of America. He has already made Americans more dependent on the government than ever before and put us further in debt than any other President, he will truly ruin what we know as the United States.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:08 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Come on now, don't hate on Fox, they are the only one's who kiss Obama's a@#. But he did say it, it's recorded.

What worries me that if he gets re-elected he will really ruin this country, he knows he will have nothing to lose and will push HIS agenda harder than ever before. Be ready for the United Socialist States of America. He has already made Americans more dependent on the government than ever before and put us further in debt than any other President, he will truly ruin what we know as the United States.

Hey

Fox is a joke, as is Gerald. Politics aside.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:56 pm

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Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:25 am

Accusations of socialism has to be the most misused phrasing of Obama's presidency. I'm not sure most people even know what it means.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:32 am

Mark my word today. Obama is going to get re elected. There is no question or doubt about it. It wouldn't matter if every voter voted NO, he's still going to get re elected and yes, he is selling this country out and yes, he is a socialist.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:19 am

He will get re-elected because the Republicans have offered up terrible choices, but I am curious on what makes mnosteele and blebs think he is a socialist? What has he done that you guys feel falls under the definition of socialism.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:04 am

Roody wrote:Accusations of socialism has to be the most misused phrasing of Obama's presidency. I'm not sure most people even know what it means.

It means he uses facebook and google+ a lot right!?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:05 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:It means he uses facebook and google+ a lot right!?

See you get it.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:38 am

Socialism is when the government controls everything and divides it among the people. Let's see, Obama now has government ownership in the banking industry, car manufacturing industry, energy industry and his biggest - control of healthcare. Obama and the rest of the government needs to keep out of the private sector and let capitalism take it's course, that is how the economy recovers, not by government control and government spending. Stop bailing out Wall Street, the banks, the auto industry and everyone else. Let them fail and new companies will be formed to regenerate the economy. NOTHING the government runs is financially successful.

Obama has associated himself with nothing but FAR left radicals his entire life and when questioned about it plays it off as "they were just acquaintances, not true friends", BS, why do people ignore this. I know personally that the people I associate with are like minded. People voted this guy into office and ignore the facts. Look at the whole birth certificate scandal, just show the original birth certificate and be done with it. Why in the world would he have the Governor of Hawaii put it under lock and key and why would so much money be spent to hide it if there is nothing to hide? His SSN is one from Connecticut yet he was born in Hawaii? There are just too many things about him that do not add up, too many lies yet people ignore all of them. As I have always said..... Manchurian Candidate.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:51 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Socialism is when the government controls everything and divides it among the people. Let's see, Obama now has government ownership in the banking industry, car manufacturing industry, energy industry and his biggest - control of healthcare. Obama and the rest of the government needs to keep out of the private sector and let capitalism take it's course, that is how the economy recovers, not by government control and government spending. Stop bailing out Wall Street, the banks, the auto industry and everyone else. Let them fail and new companies will be formed to regenerate the economy. NOTHING the government runs is financially successful.

Obama has associated himself with nothing but FAR left radicals his entire life and when questioned about it plays it off as "they were just acquaintances, not true friends", BS, why do people ignore this. I know personally that the people I associate with are like minded. People voted this guy into office and ignore the facts. Look at the whole birth certificate scandal, just show the original birth certificate and be done with it. Why in the world would he have the Governor of Hawaii put it under lock and key and why would so much money be spent to hide it if there is nothing to hide? His SSN is one from Connecticut yet he was born in Hawaii? There are just too many things about him that do not add up, too many lies yet people ignore all of them. As I have always said..... Manchurian Candidate.

So then you believe Bush was a socialist also? After all some of those bailouts started with him. As for the birther stuff I'm not going to get into that. It's been proven over and over that he was born in the U.S. You will have to forgive me when I say I'm not going to feed any more conspiracy theories on that topic.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:02 pm

And yet the socialist party doesnt like Obama and doesn't think hes a socialist, hmmmm.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:06 pm

Seriously Roody, comparing Bush??? Your just like the media, support Obama no matter what he does and says. Ok, explain his associations with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Al-Mansour, George Soros, Tony Rezko, Van Jones, Derrick Bell and the list goes on and on. Seriously explain his relationships with these people, why do you and others ignore these things? It's not a conspiracy theory when he has definitive ties with all of these people, real relationships.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:35 pm

Oh so now hes a terrorist, damn I was still on te socialist page.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:53 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Seriously Roody, comparing Bush???

You didn't answer the question. You used the auto and banking industry as reasons why Obama is a socialist in your opinion yet both of those started with Bush. In fact Bush spent part of his memoir explaining his reasoning. Now with that in mind is Bush a socialist also? If so then why target just Obama? If not then why is Obama a socialist and not Bush?

Your just like the media, support Obama no matter what he does and says.

I do NOT agree with all of Obama's policies. Like anyone who takes politics seriously I do a ton of research and then make the best choice for my family and I. I have never found a perfect politician and I never will.

Ok, explain his associations with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Al-Mansour, George Soros, Tony Rezko, Van Jones, Derrick Bell and the list goes on and on. Seriously explain his relationships with these people, why do you and others ignore these things? It's not a conspiracy theory when he has definitive ties with all of these people, real relationships.

Guilt by association is an awful game to play and opens one up to hypocritical situations. Are you sure you want to go that route? I can point to Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr and down the road as examples of Presidents who were associated with questionable people. Do you have an issue with them also? I don't condone people doing bad things, but guilt by association is a flimsy argument at best.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:55 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Oh so now hes a terrorist, damn I was still on te socialist page.

Quick...grab the tinfoil.

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Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:15 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:And yet the socialist party doesnt like Obama and doesn't think hes a socialist, hmmmm.

Yep

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:19 pm

Some day you guys will get it. What I'm not understanding is, why your not getting it now. Can't see the forest for the trees?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:38 pm

blebs wrote:Some day you guys will get it. What I'm not understanding is, why your not getting it now. Can't see the forest for the trees?

see post #10

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:42 am

Roody wrote:see post #10

Read the Naked Communist and tell me how many of the goals have been achieved. This guy, who we know absolutely nothing about, gets elected, tosses the constitution out the window and starts dictating what our laws and mandates are going to be. All behind closed doors and in secret. Where is the transparency he so vehemently said would be? If you noticed his language when speaking with Medvedev he didn't say, "the election" he said "my election."

The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches or checks and balances are no more.

You have George Soros and company running this country whether you want to believe it or not. What are HIS goals? Only thing standing in his way right now is Germany.

Bilderberg participants reach a form of consensus about what is to be done, they have at their disposal powerful transnational and national instruments for bringing about what it is they want to come to pass. That their consensus design is not always achieved is a reflection of the strength of competing resisting forces outside the capitalist ruling class and within it.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:48 am

blebs wrote:Read the Naked Communist and tell me how many of the goals have been achieved. This guy, who we know absolutely nothing about, gets elected, tosses the constitution out the window and starts dicatating what our laws and mandates are going to be. All behind closed doors and in secret. Where is the transparency he so vehemently said would be? If you noticed his language when speaking with Medvedev he didn't say, "the election" he said "my election."

The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches or checks and balances are no more.

You have George Soros and company running this country whether you want to believe it or not. What are HIS goals?

Honestly, none of this remark you just made even addresses the question I asked. mnosteele and you both claimed socialism. For whatever reason mnosteele bailed out of this conversation once he was asked to answer why two policies that started with Bush don't make him a socialist, but they do make Obama one. I'm just curious on what is your example/s of Obama being a socialist and don't you think socialist groups as a whole would love to have a U.S. President agreeing with them? Like YoS clearly pointed out socialist groups themselves even point out his policies aren't socialist. So with that in mind what makes him a socialist and if you go the auto and bank route do me a favor and also answer whether you think that makes Bush a socialist also.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:06 am

Roody every president, regardless of party affiliations, are mere puppets of those who really run this country. Their goals are of one nature. To bring about a One World Government and One World Currency. How do you go about doing that. Take a hard look at whats been happening over the past 20 or more years. It's been a slow beginning, but the pace in the last 3 years has hastened. Germany isn't playing ball just yet. They will be forced to sooner or later. Once they're out of the way, they can destroy what's left of the economies and bring about the change they want. Look at the division of this country now and that of others. This is exactly what they want. Absolute chaos and economical disasters.

I know you think I'm nuts, but time will tell.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:13 am

blebs wrote:Roody every president, regardless of party affiliations, are mere puppets of those who really run this country. Their goals are of one nature. To bring about a One World Government and One World Currency. How do you go about doing that. Take a hard look at whats been happening over the past 20 or more years. It's been a slow beginning, but the pace in the last 3 years has hastened. Germany isn't playing ball just yet. They will be forced to sooner or later. Once they're out of the way, they can destroy what's left of the economies and bring about the change they want. Look at the division of this country now and that of others. This is exactly what they want. Absolute chaos and economical disasters.

I know you think I'm nuts, but time will tell.

I don't think your nuts I just disagree that the President is a socialist. I do agree with you that both parties are the problem and I also think the Supreme Court's decision not to take a more firm stance on campaign finance will be the undoing of any impact the average person can have on their government. We are seeing that impact now with the influence of just a couple people can have on who is getting elected.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:14 am

blebs wrote:Some day you guys will get it. What I'm not understanding is, why your not getting it now. Can't see the forest for the trees?

Nothing has changed, our country is run by people from money, or people that the oens with money like. Laws are put in place by lobbyist paid for by companies with money.

No ones gonna change it because we the people are fighting with ourselves over what party is right, though only after we are done talking about American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, and whats going on with the Kardashians.

Btw, did you see the finale for The Walking Dead? Like omg, totally awesome and stuff!

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:15 pm

Roody, you are the one who did not answer questions, not myself. You asked why I think he is a Socialist and what he has done that falls under the definition of Socialism. I answered "Socialism is when the government controls everything and divides it among the people. Let's see, Obama now has government ownership in the banking industry, car manufacturing industry, energy industry and his biggest - control of healthcare." and you answered back that Bush started the bailouts. Yes Bush stated some of the bailouts but not all and had NOTHING to do with Obamacare, the worst thing to ever happen to this country. The difference is I never heard of Bush trying to have control of the entities that he gave money to, Obama has tried to control all of these entities with his policies, trying to tell the private sector what they can and cannot do with the money they earned. Look at the whole Occupy Wall Street.... who's behind it all...... George Soros...... who's Obama's puppet master?...... Soros. How can you not see that? Start reading about who started Occupy Wall Street and it ALL ties back to Soros and so does Obama. Blebs is 100% correct, the President is a puppet and right now the puppet master is Soros, which is very scary.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:21 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Roody, you are the one who did not answer questions, not myself. You asked why I think he is a Socialist and what he has done that falls under the definition of Socialism. I answered "Socialism is when the government controls everything and divides it among the people. Let's see, Obama now has government ownership in the banking industry, car manufacturing industry, energy industry and his biggest - control of healthcare." and you answered back that Bush started the bailouts. Yes Bush stated some of the bailouts but not all and had NOTHING to do with Obamacare, the worst thing to ever happen to this country. The difference is I never heard of Bush trying to have control of the entities that he gave money to, Obama has tried to control all of these entities with his policies, trying to tell the private sector what they can and cannot do with the money they earned. Look at the whole Occupy Wall Street.... who's behind it all...... George Soros...... who's Obama's puppeteer?...... Soros. How can you not see that? Start reading about who started Occupy Wall Street and it ALL ties back to Soros and so does Obama. Blebs is 100% correct, the President is a puppet and right now the puppeteer is Soros, which is very scary.

Your answer is contradictory. You state the bailout is proof of Obama's socialism, but it's not proof that Bush is one. That makes literally no sense at all due to the fact Bush implemented it and agreed with Obama's continuation of it. Your argument although one I disagree with (As do socialist groups themselves) would be more believable if you hadn't made the bank and auto bailout such a key part of your argument.

As for the other I have in no way deflected your questions and I have no need too. Every President is beholden to people that contribute to their presidency. Obama is unfortunately no different in that matter then Bush, Clinton or Bush again.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:27 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:Roody, you are the one who did not answer questions, not myself. You asked why I think he is a Socialist and what he has done that falls under the definition of Socialism. I answered "Socialism is when the government controls everything and divides it among the people. Let's see, Obama now has government ownership in the banking industry, car manufacturing industry, energy industry and his biggest - control of healthcare." .

That definition of socialism you offered up is not what is happening here. The advantages of one group over the other are substantial and hardly evidence of socialism.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:36 pm

You don't get it and never will, I'm done here. Many of you here argued with me 4 years ago about Obama and I stand by everything I said then. This country is FAR worse off that it was 4 years ago because of one person.... Obama, and all of you still support and defend him. I value many of you as intelligent people that it why I cannot fathom why you can't see it, HE IS RUINING THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:00 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:You don't get it and never will, I'm done here. Many of you here argued with me 4 years ago about Obama and I stand by everything I said then. This country is FAR worse off that it was 4 years ago because of one person.... Obama, and all of you still support and defend him. I value many of you as intelligent people that it why I cannot fathom why you can't see it, HE IS RUINING THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT!

I will be honest I don't get your complaint. The health care plan would allow for parents to keep children on their plans up till 26. It would prevent a person being turned down for insurance due to a pre-existing condition. Even the individual mandate which people complain about makes it so costs aren't passed on to others for someone else's hosptial bill. In what way does that ruin this country? It saves money and lives. It's not perfect, but it's hardly ruining this country. In fact in the case of this little girl it would greatly help her. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/health/he ... index.html

I am always open to differing views. Ask anyone here who has been a member since the beginning. I was at one time a Republican, but changed parties. Clearly I can be convinced if a compelling argument occurs. If you don't want to debate that's fine man, but I can assure you that my decisions are based on a lot of research and not because Obama supports something.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:26 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:You don't get it and never will, I'm done here. Many of you here argued with me 4 years ago about Obama and I stand by everything I said then. This country is FAR worse off that it was 4 years ago because of one person.... Obama, and all of you still support and defend him. I value many of you as intelligent people that it why I cannot fathom why you can't see it, HE IS RUINING THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT!

Ya its all Obama, cuz congress never comes up with bad bills and such.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:34 pm

No need to debate. Simply read.

http://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/2012/ ... nsidering/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... he/255096/

In a gridlocked system, things will race out of control even before those regulators most eager to clamp down can respond.

We had to take precipitous action to deal with the 2008 economic crisis, in the form of hasty and massive bailouts. We had no choice. But I, for one, would have delayed the expansion of the healthcare system in a gridlocked environment. Yes, we need to solve the healthcare problem. But it is far too dangerous to make an abrupt policy change and put in place a system where costs can spiral out of control and become locked in place until bankruptcy sets us free.

The estimated cost of the Affordable Care Act — Obamacare — has risen from $940 billion at the time the law was passed to $1.76 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Some experts believe that as a result of the act millions of American’s will be pushed off private insurance rolls and into Medicaid. If such a program becomes embedded in our system, it will be very difficult to dislodge — with dire economic consequences.

Ah hem, planned destruction of the U.S. economy.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:24 pm

blebs wrote:No need to debate. Simply read.

http://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/2012/ ... nsidering/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... he/255096/

Ah hem, planned destruction of the U.S. economy.

To which I will point out post #32 and ask the same question. How is providing that kind of support a terrible thing?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:58 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:You don't get it and never will, I'm done here. Many of you here argued with me 4 years ago about Obama and I stand by everything I said then. This country is FAR worse off that it was 4 years ago because of one person.... Obama, and all of you still support and defend him. I value many of you as intelligent people that it why I cannot fathom why you can't see it, HE IS RUINING THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT!

The only group ruining America...are we the people because we ALLOW it.

Obama is currently wrecking it with government control (although far more insidious than what anyone can fathom here). If the GOP were in power, they would co-opt the republic to the corporations that keep them in power as they have in the past...and those corporations aren't willing to share power with anyone. So on each end of the spectrum, we're screwed.

Government control vs corporate control. The grand delusion is that "we" are in control. When the people finally "get it", we'll have our own version of an Arab spring.

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:56 pm

JawZ wrote:The only group ruining America...are we the people because we ALLOW it.

Obama is currently wrecking it with government control (although far more insidious than what anyone can fathom here). If the GOP were in power, they would co-opt the republic to the corporations that keep them in power as they have in the past...and those corporations aren't willing to share power with anyone. So on each end of the spectrum, we're screwed.

Government control vs corporate control. The grand delusion is that "we" are in control. When the people finally "get it", we'll have our own version of an Arab spring.

Thank you!

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:05 pm

JawZ wrote:The only group ruining America...are we the people because we ALLOW it.

Obama is currently wrecking it with government control (although far more insidious than what anyone can fathom here). If the GOP were in power, they would co-opt the republic to the corporations that keep them in power as they have in the past...and those corporations aren't willing to share power with anyone. So on each end of the spectrum, we're screwed.

Government control vs corporate control. The grand delusion is that "we" are in control. When the people finally "get it", we'll have our own version of an Arab spring.

Amen

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:17 am

JawZ wrote: So on each end of the spectrum, we're screwed.

Government control vs corporate control. The grand delusion is that "we" are in control. When the people finally "get it", we'll have our own version of an Arab spring.

Yup!
I'm historically Republican. However, I've always been a believer in having Dems at the helm at some frequency..to help offset things. And visa versa. To prevent one party from having too much power and sink its roots in too far.

Looking back we've we've enjoyed good times with Dems at the helm...I enjoyed the Clinton years. And I've enjoyed good times under Repubs of course...heck, I don't think anything can top the Reagan years...and I thought Bush senior years were smooth sailing too!

But I was getting tired of the downhill trend of 2 terms of Bush junior...and at first thought it would be a good idea to get a Dem in for a term. But wow...I'd never have expected this kind of plummeting of things.

And look at the garbage both sides are gathering for us to vote in soon....yeah, "We're screwed on each end of the spectrum" again!
How do we NOT allow it to happen?

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:40 am

YeOldeStonecat wrote: How do we NOT allow it to happen?

That's just it. In the grand scheme of things, there is nothing we can really do about it.