Of course they have the authority. Isn't hunting done in the early morning? That should conflict.Sava700 wrote:Well I think its more of a religious push and I don't want it pushed down my face and from what I've heard many around here are all up in arms over it. Having it on the day its supposed to be on is tradition, even if it fell on Tuesday you still have to go to school on Wed so that argument is null and void.
Having it on Saturday conflicts with all sorts of other things going on that many have already planned on. Like I was wanting to take in a football game this day and some hunting and I was looking forward to taking my 3 year old around trick or treating Sunday Oct 31st HALLOWEEN!! Not Saturday Oct 30th.
I don't feel that city leaders have the authority to move the observation to any set day..and its not so much as me wanting to observe it on Sunday but they are wanting all citizens to do so on Sat which I'm going to try to start some movement to oppose it.
LOL really? I mean I'm talking about right now, this coming Halloween. From what I can tell this whole thing is a religion issue and it shouldn't be. Last time I checked this wasn't a big area on witchcraftYARDofSTUF wrote:
Honestly Halloween is probably going to have a lot of changes in the future.
Right, and in order for it to be different in the future, changes have to happen now and regularly, and I'm sure there will be worse ones.Sava700 wrote:LOL really? I mean I'm talking about right now, this coming Halloween. From what I can tell this whole thing is a religion issue and it shouldn't be. Last time I checked this wasn't a big area on witchcraft
What advantages does it give kids? I don't see any, only thing I see is bad examples of how we manipulate the will of others. The point here is it falls on October 31st, not October 30th, and the whole scary feeling and greatness of the event/day is all hallows eve just like in all the movies. I already get pissed off as hell to have kids pounding on my damn door while the sun is still shining and I've already made it clear that I don't hand out candy till its dark out and my decorations lights are on PERIOD!Rainbow wrote:Really? They have moved Halloween many times here they have even moved the Forth of July here once. They have the kids in mind...get over yourself.
Yep, its October 31st!! And it would appear people over look that fact.RoundEye wrote:Celebrate it on the day it is supposed to be on. Fill the kids full of sugar and let the teachers deal with it. What the hell.
Halloween is October 31st period.
WTF is wrong with these people?
A holiday is meant to be celebrated on that day.Father Gabriele Amorth, a Vatican-appointed exorcist in Rome, has said, "if English and American children like to dress up as witches and devils on one night of the year that is not a problem. If it is just a game, there is no harm in that."
You really are looking at it from the Oliver Stone perspective. There is no conspiracy here. It's about allowing kids who are religious also to go trick or treating and still practice their faith. Of course that's not the only reason YoS hit on another, but this isn't some religious statement to screw Halloween.Sava700 wrote:LOL really? I mean I'm talking about right now, this coming Halloween. From what I can tell this whole thing is a religion issue and it shouldn't be. Last time I checked this wasn't a big area on witchcraft
This creates another problem, the last time they did this move I was hammered by kids that came from other cities nearby or area's - I ran out of candy way before I should have and I had ALOT of candy!!! I always go all out and supply the good stuff for the kids. When I mean hammered I mean I got well over 500+ kids in less than 2hours and I was digging into my own candy stashes around my house to keep going after spending hours/lots of money on a halloween setup outside. You can imagin that after 2 hours I was the only light left in a 100yard stretch cause others just dried up...and this hurts the local kids that go out walking and don't have mom and dad carting them around in a NASCAR pace Van.Rainbow wrote:My kids always loved it when they moved it, now they could go on 2 different nights.
This creates more traffic, more hazards and more problems all around! LOL well yeah I imagin some will say that, however I've had alot of people ask the wife why I've not even decorated and she's told them, we are not for that reason. I mean really, I've not even put up anything outside cept for a few pumpkins out of protest and I usually go all out. I just can't, I can't do the party and hand out candy and do my setups like I normally do to scare kids and have fun. I can't do both on the same night and I was planning on doing both till they moved the observance of it.YARDofSTUF wrote:"Mommy whats that big sign mean?"
"Nothing honey, those people are just grumpy"
Thats all that will turn into. Keep an eye out for town meetings and voice your opinion and concerns there.
Well since all seems to point to a religion tie in then fine...Roody wrote:Setting up trick or treating to where those of faith have to choose between services or trick or treating is a very bad PR move. I applaud any town who doesn't put families in that situation.
No offense man, but if you think that you clearly don't have a full grasp of when some churches have their services and the reasons why they have them at the times they do. That's for a different thread, but I will say it's not as simple as you suggest it to be and no it's not a stupid reason either. Unless of course you think it's stupid for people to worship God over trick or treating. If that's the case then church isn't relevant to you anyway.YARDofSTUF wrote:Well since all seems to point to a religion tie in then fine...
If it was moved for religious reasons then its just stupid. Last I checked churches are open more times then just Sundays, after dark. Having it on a Sunday or a Saturday changes nothing as far as church going families are concerned. People could go to a Saturday mass, a Sunday morning mass, or a Sunday afternoon mass.
The only people forced to choose between Halloween and church are those that refuse to alter their schedule, and its not like a last minute thing, you kinda have all year to plan on going to a different mass, and thats only if you are one of those at a late Sunday mass.
There is no religious conflict, no matter how hard you try and make one. And what PR move? You are saying it would have been a bad PR move for a town to have done what most others did? How bad of a PR move is it to let people celebrate on the day of the holiday? Obviously not bad as I don't see towns across the country facing angry mobs of church goers threatening to overthrow local governments.
I even know of some priests that have told their perish not to worry about missing a mass or their kids getting very into their costumes/characters and to enjoy it because its a fun celebration.
I can see moving the celebration for the safety of the kids and to avoid a late night and sugar rush the night before school, but I can not see moving it from its normal time, so that instead of happening on Sunday night mass, it instead happens on Saturday night mass.
The church is not a requirement to worship god. Please show me where in the bible it says you have to go to church to worship god, and then also show me where it says you have to go to church on every Sunday night after dark to worship god.Roody wrote:No offense man, but if you think that you clearly don't have a full grasp of when some churches have their services and the reasons why they have them at the times they do. That's for a different thread, but I will say it's not as simple as you suggest it to be and no it's not a stupid reason either. Unless of course you think it's stupid for people to worship God over trick or treating. If that's the case then church isn't relevant to you anyway.
Like I stated to you YoS this is better served in another thread so as not to threadjack Sava's thread. I will state to you it's irrelevant whether or not you personally think people should give up church services to trick or treat.YARDofSTUF wrote:The church is not a requirement to worship god. Please show me where in the bible it says you have to go to church to worship god, and then also show me where it says you have to go to church on every Sunday night after dark to worship god.
Apparently not for you, but the facts are there is millions of people in this country who feel they should be able to go to church services and trick or treat. Anyway, if the topic is something you want to continue with then by all means make a new thread and I will continue the discussion with you. I'm not going to sabotage Sava's thread further though to argue religion. The purpose of stating services in the first place was only to speak of the conflict it does bring for millions of church goers if trick or treating was during church time.There is no religious conflict with trick or treating. You can worship god and trick or treat on the 31st.
From what I'm being told by many that is exactly why it was moved and why many others move it. It's pretty much a common sense guess anyway since dur... SUNDAY you don't see this issue on any other day. What about the Seventh-day Adventists.. they observe Sabbath from Friday to Saturday... so now they are screwing with their religion. Sounds to me its a threat against religious freedom just as it is now gotten to be a big issue.. check this out:YARDofSTUF wrote:
If it was moved for religious reasons then its just stupid. .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/2 ... 74945.htmlNEW ORLEANS (RNS) Some families may be debating whether to send kids out to trick-or-treat on Sunday night, but there's no debate in Louisiana's Livingston Parish, where local laws forbid the observance of Halloween on a Sunday.
This year, for the first time, in unincorporated parts of the parish of 120,000, Halloween is on Monday, Nov. 1. Trick-or-treating hours are 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. on the prescribed day, and violators risk a fine of up to $500 or up to 30 days in jail.
A number of parish officials were unavailable for comment, but news accounts indicate that for years parish authorities have legislated when to observe Halloween. And it has often tied them in knots.
Christian groups have resisted public support for Halloween on Sunday because of its associations with the occult.
Public safety is part of the concern; in 2003, parish officials and city leaders in Denham Springs moved up Halloween a day to keep it away from Friday night football.
Shortly after Halloween 2004, the Parish Council decreed that in unincorporated Livingston Parish, Halloween will be at the prescribed hours on Oct. 31 -- unless it falls on a Sunday, as it does this year, and then it's on Monday.
All this has attracted the attention of the American Civil Liberties Union, which has dispatched a letter to parish officials telling them were violating neighbors' constitutional rights to walk their streets and ask for candy any day they pleased.
The ACLU also warned of the threat to the religious freedom of anyone wanting to celebrate Halloween as a religious feast -- although trick-or-treating is not part of Wiccans' observance of the day.
See I've asked about these excuses as well and both shot down quickly...here is why:YARDofSTUF wrote: I can see moving the celebration for the safety of the kids and to avoid a late night and sugar rush the night before school,
Dude... look at what I'm saying, I CAN'T DO BOTH!!! I have planned a party for months for the Saturday before Halloween. Now I have to decide between the party and handing out candy and doing my huge scary setup I try to do each year. I can't do both!!! I have to decide and the party has won. I have to now put up signs to keep kids from running up into my back yard where my party will be since I'll have lights, music, fog and whatever else going on to prevent them from asking me or my friends for candy when they don't know. I hate it, I really do.... I can't stand that I don't get to enjoy the one day I go all out on to have a good time and to show kids a good time. I've spent a few thousand bucks on props too so its a complete waste this year when Sunday night was to be perfect. It was to allow me to have my party then move everything the next day to entertain trick or treaters. In past years I've had setups so big that people asked me if I was charging and I don't, its all for fun and for the kids something I didn't get when I was younger.Rainbow wrote:Was Scrooge related to you? just wondered...
You make a good point Sava. I can't speak to when these other religions have their services on those dates though. I imagine it varies.Sava700 wrote:From what I'm being told by many that is exactly why it was moved and why many others move it. It's pretty much a common sense guess anyway since dur... SUNDAY you don't see this issue on any other day. What about the Seventh-day Adventists.. they observe Sabbath from Friday to Saturday... so now they are screwing with their religion. Sounds to me its a threat against religious freedom just as it is now gotten to be a big issue.. check this out:
