The mosque in NYC

JC · Post by JC » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:00 pm

Shinobi wrote:I would like to see that.

Me too.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:16 am

Shinobi wrote:I would like to see that.

And I'm missing my Kuwaiti Liberation Medal and NATO medal from when I was in Kosovo for Joint Guard.

and so, now I ask Miggs again, WTF has he done for me and my family besides post cute little pics on a forum?

SlyOneDoofy · Post by **SlyOneDoofy** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:49 am

JawZ wrote:

And I'm missing my Kuwaiti Liberation Medal and NATO medal from when I was in Kosovo for Joint Guard.

and so, now I ask Miggs again, WTF has he done for me and my family besides post cute little pics on a forum?

Not to defend Miggs but...hell ...If he pays federal taxes unlike 47% of the US then he paid for you to defend the country.

I'll always support money for our soldiers.
Thanks.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:15 am

Miggs wrote:It's a slap in the face to the familys of the victims of 911 and all Americans.
I can still remember when they crashed the planes into the towers, America wanted blood back then but today some of us seem to have forgotten and tend to look the other way, not me.

Focus on truth and not hate, then you will see that Muslims had very little to do with 911.

The purpose of it being built is so that one day it can be destroyed, then blamed on anti-muslims, further igniting a conflict. Those in control always need conflict among the masses.
War is the biggest GNP for the US.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:24 am

JC wrote:What does everyone think about the mosque that will be built a couple blocks from the site of the World Trade Centers.

*Discuss*

I would think that you support it, being that your affiliation with a certain org., has it's roots in Islam.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:26 am

Roody wrote:I was talking about Miggs. The guy is a troll.

Moderating does not mean you join in the bashing.

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:34 am

JawZ wrote:

And I'm missing my Kuwaiti Liberation Medal and NATO medal from when I was in Kosovo for Joint Guard.

and so, now I ask Miggs again, WTF has he done for me and my family besides post cute little pics on a forum?

Thanks, I did not think you were going to post any form like that, especially on the internet. (Opsec)

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:38 am

Shinobi wrote:Thanks, I did not think you were going to post any form like that, especially on the internet. (Opsec)

That is a very standard form...

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:04 am

Born on 9/11? That's gotta suck no?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:12 pm

JBrazen wrote:Born on 9/11? That's gotta suck no?

More like destiny.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:40 pm

JawZ how long did you serve in the military and did you join right after High School? I noticed the birth date too, my mother in-law is born on 9/11 too.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:02 pm

RoundEye wrote:JawZ how long did you serve in the military and did you join right after High School? I noticed the birth date too, my mother in-law is born on 9/11 too.

21 years, 13 days. No, I joined after 1 full year of college.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:03 pm

SlyOneDoofy wrote:Not to defend Miggs but...hell ...If he pays federal taxes unlike 47% of the US then he paid for you to defend the country.

I'll always support money for our soldiers.
Thanks.

Military members pay taxes as well...so we help fund our own paychecks.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:12 pm

JawZ wrote:21 years, 13 days. No, I joined after 1 full year of college.

That’s quite some service, thanks.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:30 pm

JawZ wrote:http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/488 ... aed0_o.jpg

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:36 pm

All this damn Military service and he still can't beat me at BF2?!?!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:38 pm

knightmare wrote:Moderating does not mean you join in the bashing.

Calling it like I see it. Being a moderator doesn't mean I can't state what Miggs in fact is. He is a troll. His posts prove that.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:36 am

I was just reading an article about the mosque and they plan on building it on Park Place. Is that the most expensive real estate in New York like in the Monopoly game?

The city of New York shouldn’t stand against them building it, that would go against our Constitution. Companies in New York should refuse to work on it, those that do should have a boycott placed against them. Wishful thinking on my part, we know the almighty dollar will win out.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:30 am

RoundEye wrote:I was just reading an article about the mosque and they plan on building it on Park Place. Is that the most expensive real estate in New York like in the Monopoly game?

Since its being built on a very expensive pc of property I found a artist render of what it will look like when done..check it out!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:51 am

If that imam who is behind this project possessed 1 iota sensitivity and foresight, he would've bought property further uptown and built a center on a spot where it could have done the same promotion of interfaith understanding, which is his supposed intetion, without reopening a deep wound for many of us New Yorkers. To claim to want to build bridges with this mosque is disingenuous.

Also, why does this not surprise me? I guess he needs to find the nearest place of worship when he's visiting Wall Street lecturing us about the evils of Capitalism.

It seems that this President always picks the sides that the American people are against. From his healthcare scam, to the stimulus and now this. His cherry picking of when and where he'd like to abide by the Constitution is a joke. He's solidifying Democratic defeats in November and his own demise in 2012. Good riddance!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/13/ ... tml?hpt=T2

Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:14 pm

JBrazen wrote:If that imam who is behind this project possessed 1 iota sensitivity and foresight, he would've bought property further uptown and built a center on a spot where it could have done the same promotion of interfaith understanding, which is his supposed intetion, without reopening a deep wound for many of us New Yorkers. To claim to want to build bridges with this mosque is disingenuous.

Also, why does this not surprise me? I guess he needs to find the nearest place of worship when he's visiting Wall Street lecturing us about the evils of Capitalism. It seems that this President always picks the sides that the American people are against. From his healthcare scam, to the stimulus and now this. His cherry picking of when and where he'd like to abide by the Constitution is a joke. He's solidifying Democratic defeats in November and his own demise in 2012. Good riddance!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/13/ ... tml?hpt=T2

The American people aren't against his healthcare plan. There is a number out there that support it. As for the church although I personally question why they would do it the facts are we should never target a majority based on the actions of a few. The scumbags who attacked us on 9/11 don't represent the millions of Muslims who only wish for peace.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:44 pm

Roody wrote:The American people aren't against his healthcare plan. There is a number out there that support it. As for the church although I personally question why they would do it the facts are we should never target a majority based on the actions of a few. The scumbags who attacked us on 9/11 don't represent the millions of Muslims who only wish for peace.

The majority of American people aren't against healthcare reform but they damn sure were against HIS version of healthcare reform which they said needed to be passed before we could fully understand it

Just look at what's come out since it's been enacted and you'll see that we were all hoodwinked.

Anyway, back on topic. 70% of Americans do not want this mosque built there, whether they have the right to build there or not. This isn't about restricting their rights to worship. Nobody would care if they built elsewhere in NYC being that there already are over 100 mosques in the area. And while they terrorists may not represent the mindset of the majority of Muslims, the mere fact that they did what they did in the name of Islam is enough to pour salt on the wounds of the millions of people that were affected on that day by building that mosque there. To make matters worse, they want to officially open it next year on 9/11, now that's a slap in the face if I ever saw one. Bridge building, what a joke.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:04 pm

JBrazen wrote:The majority of American people aren't against healthcare reform but they damn sure were against HIS version of healthcare reform which they said needed to be passed before we could fully understand it Just look at what's come out since it's been enacted and you'll see that we were all hoodwinked.

Anyway, back on topic. 70% of Americans do not want this mosque built there, whether they have the right to build there or not. This isn't about restricting their rights to worship. Nobody would care if they built elsewhere in NYC being that there already are over 100 mosques in the area. And while they terrorists may not represent the mindset of the majority of Muslims, the mere fact that they did what they did in the name of Islam is enough to pour salt on the wounds of the millions of people that were affected on that day by building that mosque there. To make matters worse, they want to officially open it next year on 9/11, now that's a slap in the face if I ever saw one. Bridge building, what a joke.

A few so-called christians blow up abortion clinics in the name of God. In no way do those clowns speak for God, myself or my faith. It's no more fair to judge me because of those guys then it is to blame Muslims for what happened on 9/11. No one should pigeon-hole all of them simply because what happened on 9/11.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:01 pm

Roody wrote:A few so-called christians blow up abortion clinics in the name of God. In no way do those clowns speak for God, myself or my faith. It's no more fair to judge me because of those guys then it is to blame Muslims for what happened on 9/11. No one should pigeon-hole all of them simply because what happened on 9/11.

I'm not blaming them for anything or accusing him of having the terrorist mindset. What I am blaming him for is being insensitive. If he's really interested in bringing peace, he's going about it the wrong way since he's causing more of a divide.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:00 pm

JBrazen wrote:I'm not blaming them for anything or accusing him of having the terrorist mindset. What I am blaming him for is being insensitive. If he's really interested in bringing peace, he's going about it the wrong way since he's causing more of a divide.

This statement confuses me. Exactly how is the President supporting the idea of not pigeon-holing a religion based on a few not bringing about peace? Anyone who looks at this fairly knows that rejecting this church will only serve to enrage all the bad guys anyway. They will only use it to further their cause. If anything his decision to support it is bringing about peace.

Now if you are talking about peace from Republicans well the truth is there is a group of people who already can't stand the President. It's not like this singluar act of support is going to change that any.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:03 pm

Roody wrote:This statement confuses me. Exactly how is the President supporting the idea of not pigeon-holing a religion based on a few not bringing about peace? Anyone who looks at this fairly knows that rejecting this church will only serve to enrage all the bad guys anyway. They will only use it to further their cause. If anything his decision to support it is bringing about peace.

Now if you are talking about peace from Republicans well the truth is there is a group of people who already can't stand the President. It's not like this singluar act of support is going to change that any.

I was talking about the Imam.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:06 pm

JBrazen wrote:I was talking about the Imam.

Oh okay. Thanks for clarifying.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:05 pm

JBrazen wrote:The majority of American people aren't against healthcare reform but they damn sure were against HIS version of healthcare reform which they said needed to be passed before we could fully understand it Just look at what's come out since it's been enacted and you'll see that we were all hoodwinked.

Anyway, back on topic. 70% of Americans do not want this mosque built there, whether they have the right to build there or not. This isn't about restricting their rights to worship. Nobody would care if they built elsewhere in NYC being that there already are over 100 mosques in the area. And while they terrorists may not represent the mindset of the majority of Muslims, the mere fact that they did what they did in the name of Islam is enough to pour salt on the wounds of the millions of people that were affected on that day by building that mosque there. To make matters worse, they want to officially open it next year on 9/11, now that's a slap in the face if I ever saw one. Bridge building, what a joke.

who told you that they did it in the name of Islam? Radical Islam yes, Islam...no. I guess it doesn't matter that these folks here in NYC have basically declared themselves ENEMIES of radical Islam. That 70% stat represents ALOT of ignorance and emotion.

JC · Post by JC » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:37 pm

I believe emotion more than ignorance.

I don't like the fact they want to build the mosque, but we are a nation built on the rule of law not on the will of the majority.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:33 pm

JawZ wrote:who told you that they did it in the name of Islam? Radical Islam yes, Islam...no. I guess it doesn't matter that these folks here in NYC have basically declared themselves ENEMIES of radical Islam. That 70% stat represents ALOT of ignorance and emotion.

As if there was a difference between the 2? There is no such thing as "radical" Islam. There may be moderate Muslims but they're not living the life that the Quran calls for. Appending Radical to it doesn't change what "normal" Islam is. Also, Jihad allows for you to lie, cheat, steal, kill your fellow Muslim as long it's for the benefit of the Jihad, so I doubt that these guys will be seen as "enemies" of "radical" Islam.

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YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:21 pm

^The Quran is no more radical than the Bible. And you can make the same argument about the levels of Christianity as well.

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:33 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:^The Quran is no more radical than the Bible. And you can make the same argument about the levels of Christianity as well.

Such a ignorant statement.

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JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:56 pm

Xpunge wrote:Such a ignorant statement.
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It's "such an ignorant statement"...not "such a ignorant". If you are going to chastise someone, at least make sure you are correct yourself lol.

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:58 pm

JawZ wrote:It's "such an ignorant statement"...not "such a ignorant". If you are going to chastise someone, at least make sure you are correct yourself lol.

good thing this thread isn't aboot grammar and splling

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:01 pm

Xpunge wrote:good thing this thread isn't aboot grammar and splling

But it is very much about ignorance, that much I do agree.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:03 pm

JBrazen wrote:As if there was a difference between the 2? There is no such thing as "radical" Islam. There may be moderate Muslims but they're not living the life that the Quran calls for. Appending Radical to it doesn't change what "normal" Islam is. Also, Jihad allows for you to lie, cheat, steal, kill your fellow Muslim as long it's for the benefit of the Jihad, so I doubt that these guys will be seen as "enemies" of "radical" Islam.

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Are you going to tell all the fundamentalist Christians in the GOP that there is no fundamentalism?

Xpunge · Post by **Xpunge** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:05 pm

JawZ wrote:But it is very much about ignorance, that much I do agree.

that is correct, his statement is very ignorant

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:09 pm

Xpunge wrote:that is correct, his statement is very ignorant

Maybe you should elaborate for his benefit.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:14 pm

JawZ wrote:Maybe you should elaborate for his benefit.

He may very well decline to state.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:50 pm

Xpunge wrote:Such a ignorant statement.

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Ahh so the Quran can only be viewed one way? What about all the people that feel the same way about the bible and argue the other ways are wrong? Oh its ok cuz its written by multiple people... ok, sure.

Oh my bad, I meant to say only:

Such a troll.