Democrats : STFU with that Constitution nonsense you silly citizens

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:26 pm

You will take healthcare and like it.

I thoroughly enjoy watching that Thug from Chicago and those sniveling no good apes in Congress try and force this into law, Constitution be damned. They're just making it so easy to get embarrassed in November then again in 2012, when even I could probably unseat Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... alth-care/

But now, as the House of Representatives moves toward approving one of the most sweeping pieces of domestic legislation in U.S. history, critics are fuming that Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to usher through a health care bill . . . without a vote. Pelosi, they say, is thumbing her nose at a cherished, basic principle of democracy for the sake of a legislative win. House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence is calling the plan, which several Democratic leaders are defending, "a betrayal of the commitment of every member of this Congress to the American people."

Bunch of sneaky POS's they are. Do they actually think that they could get away with something like this and NOT expect it to get smashed to smitherines in court? This is absolutely nothing shy of those snakes in Congress and that Chicago Thug going well beyond the behavior they so often chastised the previous admin for.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:44 pm

JBrazen wrote:You will take healthcare and like it.

I thoroughly enjoy watching that Thug from Chicago and those sniveling no good apes in Congress try and force this into law, Constitution be damned. They're just making it so easy to get embarrassed in November then again in 2012, when even I could probably unseat Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... alth-care/

Bunch of sneaky POS's they are. Do they actually think that they could get away with something like this and NOT expect it to get smashed to smitherines in court? This is absolutely nothing shy of those snakes in Congress and that Chicago Thug going well beyond the behavior they so often chastised the previous admin for.

They are going to such extremes to put this one bill through, even though the repubs have agreed to work something out with them if they give up this health-care fiasco. It makes me wonder what they have to gain besides health care for 30 million people. (that's an overworked number by the way)

Anyway, I love making political predictions and I don't make many. I'll bet that the Dems have far more to lose than the 30 million without health care if this doesn't go through. Besides 30 million votes they'll have in their back pockets, I mean.

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:28 pm

JBrazen wrote: They're just making it so easy to get embarrassed in November then again in 2012, when even I could probably unseat Obama.

So what's the problem, let them do what they want and let the chips fall.

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:31 pm

Sarahnn wrote: I'll bet that the Dems have far more to lose than the 30 million without health care if this doesn't go through. Besides 30 million votes they'll have in their back pockets, I mean.

No one in this country is without health care, health insurance maybe.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:38 pm

Trebek:..... "a betrayal of the commitment of every member of this Congress to the American people."

/rings in

What is most everything the government has done to the US in recent memory.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:42 pm

cybotron r_9 wrote:No one in this country is without health care, health insurance maybe.

You make me think of something Allen West said once. He said that the Preamble to the Constitution says the Government should promote the general welfare, not provide it.

My question is... If the health-care bill will benefit so many good people, why are so many good people against it?

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:19 pm

This is a friend of mine I've known all my life, he's a US Senator from Wyoming, a doctor as well. He explains a bit about the health care crap at his site and his youtube channel. His explanations are simplified and any citizen can understand why this health care bill is so screwed up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/barrassowyo

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:39 pm

TonyT wrote:This is a friend of mine I've known all my life, he's a US Senator from Wyoming, a doctor as well. He explains a bit about the health care crap at his site and his youtube channel. His explanations are simplified and any citizen can understand why this health care bill is so screwed up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/barrassowyo

He's trying to make people understand what they're walking into. I don't know why some people don't listen. If they think it's a vote against people who need health insurance, then it's a vote against everyone who strives to make a better life for themselves.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:03 pm

Just heard a report on the radio that said that Obama doesn't mind the measures that Congress is taking to pass this garbage and that he doesn't "spend much time worrying about procedural rules"? Wtf? Update: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... snt-worry/

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:53 pm

The GOP is stuck. For many years now the GOP has taken a contrarian stance on most issues while not having been held accountable or responsible to the people they represent for not having provided viable policy alternatives. For all intents and purposes, the GOP has devolved into an echo chamber.

The conservative idea I put forth is to LOWER health care costs by lowering the DEMAND for healthcare.

For example...when gas prices were high, the government took a leadership position and told Americans to cut down on their fuel consumption and to invest on more economical means. When the economy went south...gas prices tumbled because the demand for gas went down. This is simple economics. Healthcare, like gas, is a COMMODITY. And as with all commodities, if the demand for that particular commodity is low...the price for such will follow suit.

IMO, the GOP needs desperately to take a leadership position and develop a model for increasing the health and wellness of all Americans which would eventually lead to lower healthcare costs. If you lead a healthy lifestyle, eat right, promote and live in a culture of fitness...you can avoid many of the ailments that people are plagued with. Obesity and diabetes are two huge causes of many illnesses...and in many cases, they can be prevented. The GOP should focus on PREVENTION. What is the old saying? an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Right now, the GOP is basically stuck in a quagmire. It created the healthcare model (Mitt Romney) that the Dems are blasting them with and it's also part of the Republican Roadmap which I have posted earlier a few weeks back. Acting contrarian this late in the game only makes them appear to be insincere hypocrites.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:32 pm

JawZ wrote: IMO, the GOP needs desperately to take a leadership position and develop a model for increasing the health and wellness of all Americans which would eventually lead to lower healthcare costs. If you lead a healthy lifestyle, eat right, promote and live in a culture of fitness...you can avoid many of the ailments that people are plagued with. Obesity and diabetes are two huge causes of many illnesses...and in many cases, they can be prevented. The GOP should focus on PREVENTION. What is the old saying? an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Probably going to be the downfall of the USA. One trip to the water park and seeing an 8 year old kid weighing 200 lbs carrying dipping dots in one hand and nachos in the other while waddling back to his recliner is a sick site for sure. All you can eat Hog Troffs, super size everything and kids not knowing how to ride bikes. Pasty, fat little turds sitting indoors all summer long playing games on the PC is an epidemic. We've committed suicide as a society and will need a lot of folks with big 'ol balls to even begin to slow this train....

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:40 pm

Leatherneck wrote:Probably going to be the downfall of the USA. One trip to the water park and seeing an 8 year old kid weighing 200 lbs carrying dipping dots in one hand and nachos in the other while waddling back to his recliner is a sick site for sure. All you can eat Hog Troffs, super size everything and kids not knowing how to ride bikes. Pasty, fat little turds sitting indoors all summer long playing games on the PC is an epidemic. We've committed suicide as a society and will need a lot of folks with big 'ol balls to even begin to slow this train....

Well, it begins at home. The GOP needs leaders at the grassroots level.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:42 pm

JawZ wrote:Well, it begins at home. The GOP needs leaders at the grassroots level.

They also need a leader at the National level. Someone who isn't scared of Rush.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:48 pm

TonyT wrote:This is a friend of mine I've known all my life, he's a US Senator from Wyoming, a doctor as well. He explains a bit about the health care crap at his site and his youtube channel. His explanations are simplified and any citizen can understand why this health care bill is so screwed up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/barrassowyo

Great video Tony, thanks.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:59 pm

Roody wrote:They also need a leader at the National level. Someone who isn't scared of Rush.

A new leader (or leaders) along with a new platform that simply isn't a regurgitation of liberal ideology dressed up in a conservative suit. In many instances, choice comes down to candidate rather than philosophy/ideology. When both candidates start to sound exactly the same but look different...it's obvious that we need to reexamine what it is that we're doing with the country lol.

Right now the GOP is crying about procedure in Congress and it's desperate. It's a desperate last ditch effort to thwart the inevitable. And the only reason it's inevitable is because BOTH parties are selling universal healthcare to the American people. But as I see it, unless we get society healthy...the only people that will benefit is the health industry itself.

Who cares if everyone has healthcare access or insurance if you're always using it because you are that unhealthy??????? People are not getting more healthy in this country...we are just enabling people to live longer so that they serve as slaves to the system longer lol.

I still believe that the wealthiest and most powerful free nation on Earth should be able to muster healthcare for all of it's citizens but at the same time, we have to curb demand for it through preventative measures. Prevent illness rather than treat it. Prevent disease rather than wage a war against it.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:18 pm

JawZ wrote:Who cares if everyone has healthcare access or insurance if you're always using it because you are that unhealthy??????? People are not getting more healthy in this country...we are just enabling people to live longer so that they serve as slaves to the system longer lol.

I still believe that the wealthiest and most powerful free nation on Earth should be able to muster healthcare for all of it's citizens but at the same time, we have to curb demand for it through preventative measures. Prevent illness rather than treat it. Prevent disease rather than wage a war against it.

I work in healthcare as a Firefighter/Paramedic as you know and I can tell you first hand NOBOBY in this country is denied free healthcare. People do not care about preventive care, when the majority of the lower socioeconomic class uses 911 as their PCP do you think they really care about taking care of themselves? Absolutely not, they just want something for contributing nothing to society but have this sense of entitlement that they deserve free healthcare...... guess what, it's not free, you are I... the taxpayers are paying for it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...... you can give them free health insurance but you can't make them use it.... for preventive care.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:02 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:I work in healthcare as a Firefighter/Paramedic as you know and I can tell you first hand NOBOBY in this country is denied free healthcare. People do not care about preventive care, when the majority of the lower socioeconomic class uses 911 as their PCP do you think they really care about taking care of themselves? Absolutely not, they just want something for contributing nothing to society but have this sense of entitlement that they deserve free healthcare...... guess what, it's not free, you are I... the taxpayers are paying for it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...... you can give them free health insurance but you can't make them use it.... for preventive care.

Dude, before I became a combat instructor I was a firedawg/emt as well...for 15 years and I'm still an EMT today. You know as well as I do that we're tainted. We're biased because we see the same folks over and over and over. So I know firsthand what you're talking about but at the same time we can't generalize and use terms like "they" and we can't use vague phrases like "majority of lower socioeconomic class" without quantifying it. Again, we're tainted because of the frustration involved in performing our duties. Poverty places the greatest demand on the healthcare system. The alarming factoid that I can share with you is that 44 million americans are uninsured and 8 out of every 10...work for a living. Because these poverty level workers can't afford health insurance, they forego many preventive measures to include childhood immunizations!

I mean my God, we're going to spend 14.5 BILLION dollars for the 2010 Census all because our government can't figure out how to get the damn 10 question form on the internet lol.

At some point we have to do something different because this is Einstein's definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and over while expecting different results. The problem for us is that the failure is growing in size and scope.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:15 pm

Also, take a gander at this healthcare questionnaire...

1. Do we have a moral obligation to provide healthcare to everyone as needed or is healthcare a commodity that should be subject to the same marketplace influences as other commodities?

2. What should the government's role be in providing access to healthcare for Americans?

3. According to a study in The Journal of the American Medical Association, nearly 40 percent of physicians have manipulated insurance reimbursement receive needed care. For example, physicians have exaggerated patients' symptoms to allow them to stay in the hospital longer, and changed patients' diagnoses for billing purposes. In our current healthcare system, is this justifiable or unethical?

4. Do insurance companies and HMOs use unfair practices to control spending?

5. Should employers be required by law to offer health insurance to employees?

6. Should employees be required by law to participate in employers’ health insurance?

7. Should everyone be required to have health insurance, much as drivers are required to have auto insurance?

8. Our system of health insurance is linked to employment. Coverage is usually provided by the employer, with some contribution from the employee. We now have many people working part-time, or freelance, or working through other non-traditional arrangements.

Should health insurance continue to be linked to employers (our “employer-based system”) or is there another preferred approach?

9. Who should decide when a healthcare service is medically necessary: the doctor who is treating the patient or the insurance planwho is paying the bill?

10. “Evidence-based medicine” tries to reduce variations in practice, reduce inappropriate care, and reduce waste by using results of studies of large groups of people as the basis for medical guidelines. On the other hand, some feel that it is bad medical policy to apply general rules to all cases and that medicine requires that the physician use his or her knowledge of the particular patient in deciding on the course of treatment along with the patient. What do you think?

11. Some feel that healthcare is a commodity like VCRs or computers and that it should be distributed according to the ability to pay in the same way that consumer goods are. Others feel that healthcare is a need and that it should be distributed according to need. What do you think?

12. Currently, individual health insurance policies are much more expensive and/or do not offer the same services as group insurance. However, in most states the law does not allow people to form a group for the purpose of getting health insurance.
Should individual policies cost the same as group policies? Who should pay the individual’s additional cost? (the individual? the government? the insurance company?) Should it be legal for people to form a group themselves, such as through the internet, for the purpose of getting a group insurance policy?

13. How much, if anything, would you be willing to pay every month so that everyone could have access tobasic medical care? Nothing? $25/month? $50/month? More? What should “basic medical care” be? Who should decide?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:28 pm

I whole heartedly agree that something needs to change, but I also whole heartedly believe that a government run healthcare system is not the answer, we will ALL suffer because of it. We already have government run healthcare in Medicaid and Medicare and look how piss poorly they are managed and abused, why does everyone think this is going to be any different?

The numbers of uninsured Americans is so scewed, 44 million Americans are not without healthcare. The Democrats are using Census data the throw out that 44 million number and how accurate is the Census data?

JawZ wrote:I mean my God, we're going to spend 14.5 BILLION dollars for the 2010 Census all because our government can't figure out how to get the damn 10 question form on the internet lol.

And you want these same people to run our healthcare? Seriously?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:39 pm

mnosteele52 wrote:I whole heartedly agree that something needs to change, but I also whole heartedly believe that a government run healthcare system is not the answer, we will ALL suffer because of it. We already have government run healthcare in Medicaid and Medicare and look how piss poorly they are managed and abused, why does everyone think this is going to be any different?

The numbers of uninsured Americans is so scewed, 44 million Americans are not without healthcare. The Democrats are using Census data the throw out that 44 million number and how accurate is the Census data?

And you want these same people to run our healthcare? Seriously?

Check this out...this is from 1948.

"Compulsory sickness insurance...is a variety of socialized medicine or state medicine and possesses the evils inherent in any politically controlled system. It is contrary to American tradition and is the first and most dangerous step in the direction of complete state socialism. The American Medical Association rejects any such scheme as a method of the distribution of medical care." - Editorial from The Journal of the American Medical Association, Dec. 1948

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:36 am

I call myself a Centrist who leans to the right, so just some thoughts off the top of my head. Could we be finding out that pure capitalism, like pure socialism or pure communism does not work?

Do we need government regulations? Isn't that what banned cigarette ads from the television media? Are we killing our kids with the same type of targeting using food?

I don't believe in going after big corporations, but I'm a firm believer in regulations that leave consumers free to choose without being bombarded with subliminal msgs in their own homes. I would love a block that removes food commercials from my t.v. viewing. I'm sure I could lose some unwanted pounds just from that alone. How much more are children affected?

Back on subject though, if obama&co. can't push this health reform through, I think they will lose everything politically. So, their best intentions are not for the few million who are uninsured, but for their own future credibility among one of their largest demographic bases, which, coincidently, includes Chicago's south side.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:29 am

Just an FYI, it looks like the final bill will be posted online for 72 hrs starting on Thursday. Possible vote on Sunday.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:38 am

JBrazen wrote:You will take healthcare and like it.

I thoroughly enjoy watching that Thug from Chicago and those sniveling no good apes in Congress try and force this into law, Constitution be damned. They're just making it so easy to get embarrassed in November then again in 2012, when even I could probably unseat Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... alth-care/

Bunch of sneaky POS's they are. Do they actually think that they could get away with something like this and NOT expect it to get smashed to smitherines in court? This is absolutely nothing shy of those snakes in Congress and that Chicago Thug going well beyond the behavior they so often chastised the previous admin for.

That Chicago Thug is your President and where were all of these self righteous Republicans when Bush was dicking up the system?

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:24 am

Rainn wrote:That Chicago Thug is your President and where were all of these self righteous Republicans when Bush was dicking up the system?

You are still on Bushes back after he's been out of office for over a year? You must be out of defense for obama?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:39 am

Rainn wrote:That Chicago Thug is your President and where were all of these self righteous Republicans when Bush was dicking up the system?

No President is perfect, but Obama is taking this country in the wrong direction at warp speed. I don't 100% agree with any President, but I have never been afraid of an Administration like I am with Obama's, Clinton never tried to force his agenda down our throats as Obama is doing. All Presidents have their agendas but never have I seen a President completely ignore the majority of the U.S. citizens and do what he wants instead of represent the people he serves, it's disgusting to watch.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:51 am

JawZ wrote:Check this out...this is from 1948.

"Compulsory sickness insurance...is a variety of socialized medicine or state medicine and possesses the evils inherent in any politically controlled system. It is contrary to American tradition and is the first and most dangerous step in the direction of complete state socialism. The American Medical Association rejects any such scheme as a method of the distribution of medical care." - Editorial from The Journal of the American Medical Association, Dec. 1948

They even knew it was wrong 60 years ago.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:58 am

Sarahnn wrote:You are still on Bushes back after he's been out of office for over a year? You must be out of defense for obama?

I didn't say anything about me. What I said is it's hypocritical to hear people whine about 1 year worth of Obama when they didn't whine over 8 years of Bush screwups. He's still cleaning up Bush's mess. Now Health care isn't one of Bush's messes, but you get the idea.

Tell me why do people freak out over health care, but support a war based on false intel? One is being done to help people afford coverage without breaking the bank and the other was a war that put us in debt and got people killed.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:00 am

mnosteele52 wrote:All Presidents have their agendas but never have I seen a President completely ignore the majority of the U.S. citizens and do what he wants instead of represent the people he serves, it's disgusting to watch.

I take it you were asleep from 2001 through 2008?

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:03 am

Rainn wrote:I take it you were asleep from 2001 through 2008?

Why such an attitude from a new member? I don't recall any Tea Parties during the Bush era, do you?

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:14 am

Rainn wrote:I didn't say anything about me.

You asked where Republicans were when Bush was dicking up the system. Why do you need to ask? Bush is history. Bush isn't even relevant anymore.

What I said is it's hypocritical to hear people whine about 1 year worth of Obama when they didn't whine over 8 years of Bush screwups.

This isn't a general whine fest. We got a lousy, mysterious, tax-grabbing obamacare plan that could be passed soon. It's a thousand pages long and no one knows what the hell it is. This has nothing to do with Bush, or whining. It has to do with tax paying citizens who will soon be paying for the health care of illegal immigrants while the government controls their options for their own health insurance. (all health insurance companies will come under some type of government regulation.)

He's still cleaning up Bush's mess. Now Health care isn't one of Bush's messes, but you get the idea.

Obama has cleaned up nothing. He's raided what was left in the cookie jar to impliment socialist programs that have done nothing for the country economically. You throw this health bill on top of that........Can't you see we are in a fiscal red zone?

Tell me why do people freak out over health care, but support a war based on false intel? One is being done to help people afford coverage without breaking the bank and the other was a war that put us in debt and got people killed.

Because one has nothing to do with the other. We have domestic policy and we have foreign policy.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:17 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Why such an attitude from a new member? I don't recall any Tea Parties during the Bush era, do you?

Sorry if you saw that as attitude. It was a legit question to ask seeing as how Bush was even more blatant with his ignoring the will of the American people. I get it though. People don't want to concede their guy is part of the problem.

Truth is I got no love for Obama either I just find the hypocrisy a bit much.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:22 am

Sarahnn wrote:You asked where Republicans were when Bush was dicking up the system. Why do you need to ask? Bush is history. Bush isn't even relevant anymore.

I took a look at your post history. It's safe to say you avoid talking about those you like and don't want to criticize. Seeing as how Bush's policies still affect this current Administration he still is a valid issue to bring up. So what is your thoughts on him?

This has nothing to do with Bush, or whining. It has to do with tax paying citizens who will soon be paying for the health care of illegal immigrants while the government controls their options for their own health insurance. (all health insurance companies will come under some type of government regulation.)

You are wrong. Bush's policies still affect this Administration. As for health care costs I take it you don't want your money to go towards ensuring people are healthy, but you do want it to go towards war where innocent civilians get killed in a war that should never have happened?

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:25 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Why such an attitude from a new member? I don't recall any Tea Parties during the Bush era, do you?

Maybe a new member but an old controversy. And I'd say Obama and Pelosi have brought it to a boil.

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:26 am

Rainn wrote:Sorry if you saw that as attitude. It was a legit question to ask seeing as how Bush was even more blatant with his ignoring the will of the American people. I get it though. People don't want to concede their guy is part of the problem.

Truth is I got no love for Obama either I just find the hypocrisy a bit much.

Bush wasn't "my guy", but as I stated how many Tea Parties where there with Bush.... none. That tells me the majority of American people agreed with him or just that the people that didn't agree simply didn't care enough to take any action. I have never seen such opposition by the American people to anything like they have over this Government Healthcare and Obama and his cronies don't care, they are not serving the American people as they are elected and sworn to do.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:28 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Bush wasn't "my guy", but as I stated how many Tea Parties where there with Bush.... none. That tells me the majority of American people agreed with him or just that the people that didn't agree simply didn't care enough to take any action. I have never seen such opposition by the American people to anything like they have over this Government Healthcare and Obama and his cronies don't care, they are not serving the American people as they are elected and sworn to do.

So your criteria for opposition is only if Tea Party people support/oppose something? Everything else isn't a big deal?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:41 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Why such an attitude from a new member? I don't recall any Tea Parties during the Bush era, do you?

Sarahnn wrote:Maybe a new member but an old controversy. And I'd say Obama and Pelosi have brought it to a boil.

I see this "new member" thing in threads like these as a "which existing member is this ?"

take a look at typing ,punctuation,and word use,and many times it is a fingerprint of a member.

maybe I'm wrong,but it's worth looking at.

Rainn · Post by **Rainn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:45 am

Dan wrote:I see this "new member" thing in threads like these as a "which existing member is this ?"

take a look at typing ,punctuation,and word use,and many times it is a fingerprint of a member.

maybe I'm wrong,but it's worth looking at.

Maybe I am an Alt of Sarahnn.

Sarahnn · Post by **Sarahnn** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:54 am

Rainn wrote:I took a look at your post history. It's safe to say you avoid talking about those you like and don't want to criticize.

A safer bet would be to say I look at the problem and try to remain germane to the issue. What specifically have I avoided that makes you cast your judgement?

Seeing as how Bush's policies still affect this current Administration he still is a valid issue to bring up. So what is your thoughts on him?

My thoughts on Bush are that he's history. I had my complaints in the past but let's face it. You are using Bush as a diversion. Are you not able to address the current issues which have come into play under Obama's policies?

You are wrong. Bush's policies still affect this Administration.

And so do Clintons and GW Bush...and Carters and Reagans. This is how it goes. Here is one way Bush's policies effect the current administration. Obama has extended and followed all of Bush's anti-terrorism strategies. He may be bowing to other world leaders but he follows Bush policy mostly.

As for health care costs I take it you don't want your money to go towards ensuring people are healthy, but you do want it to go towards war where innocent civilians get killed in a war that should never have happened?

More innocent civilians died at the hands of Saddam Hussein than have died in the Iraqi war. People were dying there whether you want to admit it or not. I believe Saddam was responsible for the deaths of 600,000 people. Also, Saddam launched two wars. One against Iraq and one against Kuwait.

I, for one, am glad Hussein was taken down and probably most of the Iraqi population is too. So, let's not go there. It's two different subjects.

I also don't believe the Iraqi war and the Afghanistan war together has yet cost us 3 trillion in tax-payers dollars the amount Obama has allocated in his first year. As of December '09 "To date, $1.05 trillion dollars have been allocated to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The national, state, and local numbers we provide are based on the total approved amounts through the end of Fiscal Year 2010."

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

mnosteele52 · Post by **mnosteele52** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:55 am

Dan wrote:I see this "new member" thing in threads like these as a "which existing member is this ?"

take a look at typing ,punctuation,and word use,and many times it is a fingerprint of a member.

maybe I'm wrong,but it's worth looking at.

Your right Dan, odd that he joined today and has only posted in a political thread.

Rainn wrote:So your criteria for opposition is only if Tea Party people support/oppose something? Everything else isn't a big deal?

No, but it's pretty obvious that if people are taking their time to march on Washington and have organized events in protest of what the President and his Administration are doing then they are pretty upset about it. They are VERY upset about it to be honest, I have never seen this much public outcry over ANY previous President, Democratic or Republican.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:57 am

mnosteele52 wrote:Why such an attitude from a new member? I don't recall any Tea Parties during the Bush era, do you?

"Taxed Enough Already" tea parties started during the Bush era. Google it, if you like.