Florida St knew that and went after him..hurting him the first play..once he went down I knew we had lost that game.Roody wrote:
In fact I would have to say if TT wasn't in that game then Cincy wins it.
Ohio State Buckeyes Thread
For all the grief I give you about Va. Tech's big game success I am very much impressed with TT's growth. I think he needs to do better passing, but he is improving and that's the point. Anyone who watched him from the beginning of the year to the end of the year could see a big jump in production.Sava700 wrote:Florida St knew that and went after him..hurting him the first play..once he went down I knew we had lost that game.
The kid is special no doubt about it.
what hurt him the most from people that I talked to that talked directly to him said he was more worried about losing the starting job back to Glennon so he tried too hard and that hurt his passing, running and decision making. Now with Glennon gone I think he will calm down and be awesome this coming year with many starters coming back and some awesome new freshman receivers.Roody wrote:For all the grief I give you about Va. Tech's big game success I am very much impressed with TT's growth. I think he needs to do better passing, but he is improving and that's the point. Anyone who watched him from the beginning of the year to the end of the year could see a big jump in production.
The kid is special no doubt about it.
you missed my point. i am not talking about here. i am talking about the media and the rest of the nation.Sava700 wrote:a Sooner fan didn't make a Sooner thread
buckeyes 0-3, i read an article about that. i don't see one about the sooners being 0-4.
edit: i just think it is funny all the buckeye bashing when there are teams with worse stats that aren't getting bashed. example sooners 0-4.
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But OSU lost two championship games back to back.. not sure if the sooners did that I haven't looked..Gixxer wrote:you missed my point. i am not talking about here. i am talking about the media and the rest of the nation.
buckeyes 0-3, i read an article about that. i don't see one about the sooners being 0-4.
edit: i just think it is funny all the buckeye bashing when there are teams with worse stats that aren't getting bashed. example sooners 0-4.
Buckeyes' Wells to go pro
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/n ... id=3819447Ohio State running back Chris "Beanie" Wells announced Thursday that he will forgo his senior season and enter the NFL draft.
A second-team All-Big Ten selection this season, Wells ranks fourth on Ohio State's career rushing list (3,382 yards). He's widely projected to be one of the first two running backs selected in Aprils draft, along with Georgia's Knowshon Moreno, who declared Wednesday.
"I want to thank my teammates, my coaches, my teachers and the academic advisors for all they have done, and I definitely want to thank the Buckeye fans for all their support, Wells said in a statement. Ohio State has become like a family to me, and it will always be that way. But in the best interest of my family, it's time to move on and take a chance at fulfilling my lifetime dream of playing in the NFL."
Wells entered the season as the frontrunner for the Heisman Trophy but sustained a right foot/toe injury in the third quarter of the season opener against Youngstown State. He missed three games, including Ohio State's loss to USC, before returning for the final nine contests.
The 6-1, 237-pound Wells currently ranks sixth nationally in rushing average (119.7 ypg) after finishing 11th last season. He has battled injuries throughout his career and left Mondays Tostitos Fiesta Bowl loss to Texas with a concussion early in the fourth quarter.
Wells left the door open for a return last week, saying "I personally feel like I haven't done enough at Ohio State." But his jump to the pros was widely anticipated and endorsed by head coach Jim Tressel last month.
"Ohio State football will miss Beanie's big runs, but we will also miss his big smile," Tressel said in a statement. He has been a tremendous teammate and one of the all-time great performers in the greatest rivalry in college football.
Wells had 412 rushing yards and four touchdowns in three career games against Ohio State's archrival Michigan.
He will spend next week training for the NFL Combine at D1 Sports Training in Nashville, which is co-owned by Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.
One of Wells advisors contacted D1 Sports president and CEO Will Bartholomew on Thursday morning about having the running back train there, according to corporate public relations director Matt Toy.
Wells will join fellow Big Ten players like Illinois defensive end Will Davis, Illinois tackle Xavier Fulton and Penn State safety Anthony Scirrotto in the program.
Everybody hates the da Bucks. Hell, I hate Tressel and wouldn't mind seeing him fired. The team that won the NC in 2002 was recruited by his predecessor, John Cooper, and Tressel gets all the credit.
We are paying this guy 3.5M/yr. to win championships and more than a few fans are beginning to wonder if that $$ would be better spent on a new head coach.
We are paying this guy 3.5M/yr. to win championships and more than a few fans are beginning to wonder if that $$ would be better spent on a new head coach.
where have you been?buckifan wrote:Everybody hates the da Bucks. Hell, I hate Tressel and wouldn't mind seeing him fired. The team that won the NC in 2002 was recruited by his predecessor, John Cooper, and Tressel gets all the credit.
We are paying this guy 3.5M/yr. to win championships and more than a few fans are beginning to wonder if that $$ would be better spent on a new head coach.
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Stewart, Texas has a great team, but do you feel the Ohio State coaching staff blew the game as well. I am not sure what they were thinking blitzing all three linebackers on the last play, leaving the middle of the defensive backfield wide open.
-- Brian, Canton, Ohio
I'm not a football coach, so I generally avoid trying to dissect play-calls and defensive schemes. (I'd be the first one to tell you I don't know what I'm talking about.) I will say, however, that while Ohio State obviously made the game much more competitive than many of us were anticipating, watching it only reinforced to me just how badly Jim Tressel and Co. wasted their talent over the past three years.
Unlike most people, I never believed there to be as gigantic a talent discrepancy between the Buckeyes and Florida/LSU/USC as the scores of their games indicated, and I don't think there was much of any between Ohio State and Texas. But the Buckeyes did have two pretty significant holes the past few years -- their offensive line and their secondary (outside of Malcolm Jenkins) -- both of which the 'Horns exploited late in the game.
Tressel and his staff never did figure out a way to mask those deficiencies. The Todd Boeckman-Terrelle Pryor package was their big wrinkle for the Texas game, and while it did pay off with the one, big touchdown, for the most part it seemed distracting and counterproductive. The Buckeyes pretty much dominated the first half, yet led just 6-3.
It will be interesting to see what direction OSU takes in the next couple of years. The Buckeyes obviously have a tremendous talent on their hands in Pryor, but there's only so much he can do without the pieces in place around him and a staff that trusts him to throw downfield.
-- Brian, Canton, Ohio
I'm not a football coach, so I generally avoid trying to dissect play-calls and defensive schemes. (I'd be the first one to tell you I don't know what I'm talking about.) I will say, however, that while Ohio State obviously made the game much more competitive than many of us were anticipating, watching it only reinforced to me just how badly Jim Tressel and Co. wasted their talent over the past three years.
Unlike most people, I never believed there to be as gigantic a talent discrepancy between the Buckeyes and Florida/LSU/USC as the scores of their games indicated, and I don't think there was much of any between Ohio State and Texas. But the Buckeyes did have two pretty significant holes the past few years -- their offensive line and their secondary (outside of Malcolm Jenkins) -- both of which the 'Horns exploited late in the game.
Tressel and his staff never did figure out a way to mask those deficiencies. The Todd Boeckman-Terrelle Pryor package was their big wrinkle for the Texas game, and while it did pay off with the one, big touchdown, for the most part it seemed distracting and counterproductive. The Buckeyes pretty much dominated the first half, yet led just 6-3.
It will be interesting to see what direction OSU takes in the next couple of years. The Buckeyes obviously have a tremendous talent on their hands in Pryor, but there's only so much he can do without the pieces in place around him and a staff that trusts him to throw downfield.
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buckifan wrote:I believe so.
Who is Gixxer and what is his relation to W. Hayes?
I must congratulate the Gators on their 2nd NC in three yrs. and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them win another next year.
i am and it's an acient chinese secret.
as far as the gators go, teams come and go. someone is waiting in the wings to replace them and and so on.
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Six days away from the start of the 2008 season, here's a word of advice for Ohio State fans. Enjoy this season while you can. Anyone up for replacing 16 of 24 starters next season?
It's the ebb and flow of the college game - a team is young then it's experienced, then young again. There will be a price to be paid next year for the 27 seniors on the roster this year. That's no surprise.
But junior receiver Brian Hartline, out of the blue, made an interesting point on Friday that should leave the Buckeyes even more depleted next year than you might think.
Long story short, get your fill of Brian Hartline now.
The theme of the '08 season for the Buckeyes centers on the seniors like James Laurinaitis and Malcolm Jenkins who turned down the NFL to return for their final seasons, and the tightness of OSU's 2005 class played no small part in that.
Hartline, a member of that class, expects that friendship to play the same role in reverse after this season. The guys who redshirted and have a year of eligibility left may not want to feel like leftovers when their friends who are four-year seniors are heading out. For anyone on the edge, the urge will be to leave, not stay. That '05 group, which provided a backbone for the team the last two years, is very close.
"There are probably going to be situations at the end of the this year, that since [the seniors] are leaving, the [redshirt juniors] are going to want to leave, too," Hartline said. "It works both ways."
AP fileDonald Washington, right, could leave the Buckeyes after this season, joining senior Malcolm Jenkins in the NFL draft.
At this point I dropped a large, "Hmmmm," on Hartline, wondering to whom exactly he was referring - himself - but he didn't bite. "There are a lot of guys, there's some camaraderie, and it's probably going to be hard to see a lot of the guys they played next to the last four years leave, and they're still here," Hartline said. "So it works both ways. Those guys came back, but you might lose some guys early."
Who could fall into this category? There are 10 redshirt juniors on scholarship, seven of them starters or major contributors. Let's rank them in order of our guesses on who is most likely to go:
1. CB Donald Washington - Great cover guy with off-field issues, makes sense to get out
2. WR Brian Hartline - Could be in for huge year with a quarterback he knows, won't be the same without Boeckman
3. DE Lawrence Wilson - If he hadn't broken his leg and had played as well as many expected, he may have been a candidate to go after last season
4. FS Anderson Russell - Has been growing into his position, could be another guy in line for a huge leap this season
5. DT Doug Worthington - NFL body, dealing with a DUI, but would be a reach to leave
6. C Jim Cordle - Centers don't leave early
7. DT Todd Denlinger - Not going anywhere
8. K Aaron Pettrey - Not even the field goal guy
9. CB Andre Amos - Lost too much time to knee injury
10. LB Austin Spitler - Has been waiting three years as James Laurinaitis' backup, won't give up a chance to play
Betting now, I'd count on Washington, Hartline and Wilson going, and watch to see what Russell's stock does after this season.
Let's add those three names to the seniors starters who won't be back: DL Nader Abdallah; LBs Laurinaitis and Freeman; CB Jenkins; OL Alex Boone, Steve Rehring and Ben Person; TE Rory Nicol; WR Brian Robiskie; QB Todd Boeckman; K Ryan Pretorius; and P A.J. Trapasso. Now throw in the true junior who should be a top five NFL pick, TB Beanie Wells.
The only other true juniors who might have any kind of decisions to make are safety Kurt Coleman and receiver Ray Small (if he plays well but doesn't completely satisfy Jim Tressel with his off-field dedication).
And now let's project the starting lineup for 2009:
DEFENSE
DE Thaddeus Gibson (Rob Rose still around)
DT Dexter Larimore (Worthington and Garrett Goebel in rotation)
DT Todd Denlinger
DE Cameron Heyward
SLB Brian Rolle
MLB Austin Spitler (pushed by Etienne Sabino)
WLB Ross Homan
CB Chimdi Chekwa
CB Andre Amos (though this competition, with Devon Torrence involved, would be wide open)
SS Kurt Coleman (Jermale Hines ready if either safety leaves)
FS Anderson Russell
P Ben Buchanan (Jon Thoma)
OFFENSE
LT Mike Adams
LG Justin Boren (Connor Smith in the mix)
C Jim Cordle
RG Bryant Browning (Mike Brewster pushing hard for a job somewhere)
RT J.B. Shugarts
TE Jake Ballard
WR Ray Small (Taurian Washington)
WR Dane Sanzenbacher (Jake Stoneburner)
WR DeVier Posey (Lamaar Thomas)
RB Brandon Saine (Dan Herron with a lot of carries, too)
FB Convert from another position
QB Terrelle Pryor
K Aaron Pettrey (Ben Buchanan)
There would be a clear line in the sand.
The 2002 recruiting class - A.J. Hawk, Santonio Holmes, Nick Mangold, Bobby Carpenter, Troy Smith, Quinn Pitcock - was the first defining class for Jim Tressel.
Then came the 2005 class - James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Alex Boone, Brian Robiskie, Brian Hartline, Jim Cordle, Donald Washington, Lawrence Wilson, Anderson Russell.
Now comes the 2008 class, the current freshmen - Terrelle Pryor, Mike Adams, Mike Brewster, J.B Shugarts, DeVier Posey, Etienne Sabino, Lamaar Thomas, Andrew Sweat, Garrett Goebel - and it may be time after this season to pass the torch.
It's the ebb and flow of the college game - a team is young then it's experienced, then young again. There will be a price to be paid next year for the 27 seniors on the roster this year. That's no surprise.
But junior receiver Brian Hartline, out of the blue, made an interesting point on Friday that should leave the Buckeyes even more depleted next year than you might think.
Long story short, get your fill of Brian Hartline now.
The theme of the '08 season for the Buckeyes centers on the seniors like James Laurinaitis and Malcolm Jenkins who turned down the NFL to return for their final seasons, and the tightness of OSU's 2005 class played no small part in that.
Hartline, a member of that class, expects that friendship to play the same role in reverse after this season. The guys who redshirted and have a year of eligibility left may not want to feel like leftovers when their friends who are four-year seniors are heading out. For anyone on the edge, the urge will be to leave, not stay. That '05 group, which provided a backbone for the team the last two years, is very close.
"There are probably going to be situations at the end of the this year, that since [the seniors] are leaving, the [redshirt juniors] are going to want to leave, too," Hartline said. "It works both ways."
AP fileDonald Washington, right, could leave the Buckeyes after this season, joining senior Malcolm Jenkins in the NFL draft.At this point I dropped a large, "Hmmmm," on Hartline, wondering to whom exactly he was referring - himself - but he didn't bite. "There are a lot of guys, there's some camaraderie, and it's probably going to be hard to see a lot of the guys they played next to the last four years leave, and they're still here," Hartline said. "So it works both ways. Those guys came back, but you might lose some guys early."
Who could fall into this category? There are 10 redshirt juniors on scholarship, seven of them starters or major contributors. Let's rank them in order of our guesses on who is most likely to go:
1. CB Donald Washington - Great cover guy with off-field issues, makes sense to get out
2. WR Brian Hartline - Could be in for huge year with a quarterback he knows, won't be the same without Boeckman
3. DE Lawrence Wilson - If he hadn't broken his leg and had played as well as many expected, he may have been a candidate to go after last season
4. FS Anderson Russell - Has been growing into his position, could be another guy in line for a huge leap this season
5. DT Doug Worthington - NFL body, dealing with a DUI, but would be a reach to leave
6. C Jim Cordle - Centers don't leave early
7. DT Todd Denlinger - Not going anywhere
8. K Aaron Pettrey - Not even the field goal guy
9. CB Andre Amos - Lost too much time to knee injury
10. LB Austin Spitler - Has been waiting three years as James Laurinaitis' backup, won't give up a chance to play
Betting now, I'd count on Washington, Hartline and Wilson going, and watch to see what Russell's stock does after this season.
Let's add those three names to the seniors starters who won't be back: DL Nader Abdallah; LBs Laurinaitis and Freeman; CB Jenkins; OL Alex Boone, Steve Rehring and Ben Person; TE Rory Nicol; WR Brian Robiskie; QB Todd Boeckman; K Ryan Pretorius; and P A.J. Trapasso. Now throw in the true junior who should be a top five NFL pick, TB Beanie Wells.
The only other true juniors who might have any kind of decisions to make are safety Kurt Coleman and receiver Ray Small (if he plays well but doesn't completely satisfy Jim Tressel with his off-field dedication).
And now let's project the starting lineup for 2009:
DEFENSE
DE Thaddeus Gibson (Rob Rose still around)
DT Dexter Larimore (Worthington and Garrett Goebel in rotation)
DT Todd Denlinger
DE Cameron Heyward
SLB Brian Rolle
MLB Austin Spitler (pushed by Etienne Sabino)
WLB Ross Homan
CB Chimdi Chekwa
CB Andre Amos (though this competition, with Devon Torrence involved, would be wide open)
SS Kurt Coleman (Jermale Hines ready if either safety leaves)
FS Anderson Russell
P Ben Buchanan (Jon Thoma)
OFFENSE
LT Mike Adams
LG Justin Boren (Connor Smith in the mix)
C Jim Cordle
RG Bryant Browning (Mike Brewster pushing hard for a job somewhere)
RT J.B. Shugarts
TE Jake Ballard
WR Ray Small (Taurian Washington)
WR Dane Sanzenbacher (Jake Stoneburner)
WR DeVier Posey (Lamaar Thomas)
RB Brandon Saine (Dan Herron with a lot of carries, too)
FB Convert from another position
QB Terrelle Pryor
K Aaron Pettrey (Ben Buchanan)
There would be a clear line in the sand.
The 2002 recruiting class - A.J. Hawk, Santonio Holmes, Nick Mangold, Bobby Carpenter, Troy Smith, Quinn Pitcock - was the first defining class for Jim Tressel.
Then came the 2005 class - James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Alex Boone, Brian Robiskie, Brian Hartline, Jim Cordle, Donald Washington, Lawrence Wilson, Anderson Russell.
Now comes the 2008 class, the current freshmen - Terrelle Pryor, Mike Adams, Mike Brewster, J.B Shugarts, DeVier Posey, Etienne Sabino, Lamaar Thomas, Andrew Sweat, Garrett Goebel - and it may be time after this season to pass the torch.
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