Again he was not found guilty of any wrong-doing. It's as simple as that.Sava700 wrote:The evidence is pretty thick from that site and those numbers even if he wasn't ever found guilty which at the end of the day he didn't care and had a nice fat NFL contract..... believe what ya like.
Ohio State Buckeyes Thread
ok whatever ya say
Sava700 wrote:shame on you then..but thats why greed rules all and we still have the BCS and not a playoff for CFB.
and shame on the other thousands of athletes who get paid. they lost my money so rightfully they should have paid me. although i got paid a few different times from my bible.
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He wasn't pursued to be found guilty pretty much..the numbers are there to prove it but since he was out of CFB and fresh into a NFL contract nobody started to care so the facts are irrelevant at that point thus leaving speculation wide open to debate which is what we have had.Roody wrote:It's not what I say it's what is a fact. RB has not been found guilty of anything. What I believe or you believe is irrelevant to whether he is guilty or innocent.
As for Beanie well it would be smart for him to take the money and run and get out of OSU... any OSU fan would say otherwise cause they want to see them do well next season.
Uh no that's not true at all. In fact it's as far from the truth as something could possibly be. The pursuit to find out guilt or innocence has been intense and ongoing since he left USC. Unfortunately for the prosecution their best witness has serious credibility issues. My own personal guess based on what I am aware of with the situation is the Prosecution has some legit stuff to question RB on, but due to the credibility of their best witness it has not gone to court. All evidence I have seen points to that.Sava700 wrote:He wasn't pursued to be found guilty pretty much..the numbers are there to prove it but since he was out of CFB and fresh into a NFL contract nobody started to care so the facts are irrelevant at that point thus leaving speculation wide open to debate which is what we have had.
Sava700 wrote:He wasn't pursued to be found guilty pretty much..the numbers are there to prove it but since he was out of CFB and fresh into a NFL contract nobody started to care so the facts are irrelevant at that point thus leaving speculation wide open to debate which is what we have had.
As for Beanie well it would be smart for him to take the money and run and get out of OSU... any OSU fan would say otherwise cause they want to see them do well next season.
i said the opposite and so did JT.
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I can understand BW's dilemna. If he stays and is healthy he could be a top pick somewhere in the 1-3 range of the 1st round. As it is right now he would not be that high, but he's certainly a Top 10 pick. IMO, he should take the money and run. Yes he would likely make a few more million if he went next year and didn't get hurt, but the difference likely wouldn't be big enough to warrant the concern of injury. Regardless I imagine he already has an insurance policy out on himself and if he doesn't he sure as heck better get one.Gixxer wrote:i said the opposite and so did JT.
Imagine if Bradford, Tebow both come back
If McCoy, Sanchez, Pryor also around, ’09 Heisman race could be best ever
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If McCoy, Sanchez, Pryor also around, ’09 Heisman race could be best ever
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Sava700 wrote:Pryor isn't that good
Wow.
Sava we could start a list with all of the over the top things you have said on here (What can I say YoS inspired me) and that sucker would be pages long. Pryor is definitely a work in progress, but he is an exceptional athlete who was very good this year. Certainly he needs some work, but no one in their right mind and/or you thinks Pryor isn't that good.
yea, pryor is not that good.
Sports Illustrated called Pryor's announcement "the most anticipated in history."
Sports Illustrated called Pryor's announcement "the most anticipated in history."
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It's what we good-naturedly call a "Savaism". Another example would be this.Gixxer wrote:yea, pryor is not that good.
Sports Illustrated called Pryor's announcement "the most anticipated in history."
Sava700 wrote:I agree to disagree i guess... Crushing could be many numbers cause of the lack of points put up against USC. Its not backtracking on anything.. Crushing could be beating them 7 to 0, or 14 to 3 .... just varies at this point IMO. And btw... LSU didn't crush VATech they beat them yes, crush no... plus thats a past game thats not in discussion unlike USC vs PennSt soon to happen tomorrow.
yeah he isn't that good.. I mean this is my opinion too from watching some of the games including the Texas game.. He's nothing of a QB compared to say Tebow during that time frame of a freshman player. I would imagin with some more work he might get better but right now..naw no way would I consider him even a slight chance of going for the Heisman.Roody wrote:
Wow.
Sava we could start a list with all of the over the top things you have said on here (What can I say YoS inspired me) and that sucker would be pages long. Pryor is definitely a work in progress, but he is an exceptional athlete who was very good this year. Certainly he needs some work, but no one in their right mind and/or you thinks Pryor isn't that good.
He's better then Tebow was as a freshmen, but then the comparison isn't very fair. Tebow was a change of pace option where Pryor was the starter. I really don't understand where you come up with some of these things because frankly there is little to support what you suggest, but you have the right to think what you want.Sava700 wrote:yeah he isn't that good.. I mean this is my opinion too from watching some of the games including the Texas game.. He's nothing of a QB compared to say Tebow during that time frame of a freshman player. I would imagin with some more work he might get better but right now..naw no way would I consider him even a slight chance of going for the Heisman.
For the record because I am compelled to state this. You do realize that Pryor's numbers were better then TT's this year right? Please don't tell me you think TT is a good QB with that in mind and then state Pryor isn't good because if you do then this is another one of those Savaism's.
Regardless of all this and his numbers he still should not even be considered a Heisman selection for next year unless he really..and I mean really does a excellent job in the first few games of OSU's 2009 season. I mean I won't rule the guy out I accually like him although I think he plays for a sucky team but hey he can't have it all.Roody wrote:He's better then Tebow was as a freshmen, but then the comparison isn't very fair. Tebow was a change of pace option where Pryor was the starter. I really don't understand where you come up with some of these things because frankly there is little to support what you suggest, but you have the right to think what you want.
For the record because I am compelled to state this. You do realize that Pryor's numbers were better then TT's this year right? Please don't tell me you think TT is a good QB with that in mind and then state Pryor isn't good because if you do then this is another one of those Savaism's.
Typically sophomores don't win Heisman's. I seriously doubt Pryor does either next year. He will be considered if he is able to beat USC next year and carry himself in big games, but the Heisman is notoriously tied to on the field success and unless OSU goes undefeated or has 1 loss I doubt he is seriously considered past the midway point of the season.Sava700 wrote:Regardless of all this and his numbers he still should not even be considered a Heisman selection for next year unless he really..and I mean really does a excellent job in the first few games of OSU's 2009 season. I mean I won't rule the guy out I accually like him although I think he plays for a sucky team but hey he can't have it all.
That's not a knock on him as much as it's a reference to his situation. Truth is Tebow would not have won the Heisman last season if Oregon's Dennis Dixon hadn't gotten injured. DD's numbers and impact to his team were equal to TT's if not greater and he was a senior.
Here is where I stand with all of this. Pryor is comparable to Vince Young and at this point I would say Pryor did better his freshmen year then VY did. The question now is will he continue to grow and make the kind of impact VY did? On a personal level I think Pryor will, but Ohio State has some bigtime issues they need to address and unless Pryor can pull a VY 2006 Rose Bowl situation out of his hat I doubt he leaves school with as much acclaim as VY did. VY had the benefit of fewer question marks on his team. One thing that has been a common problem for OSU during the last 3 years is their problems on their Offensive Line and their secondary (Excluding Jenkins). In particular Boone on the offensive line. He's a bigtime player when he's not in Bigtime games, but Boone absolutely has gotten schooled by USC, Texas, LSU and Florida the last few years.
That's ultimately what seperates OSU from your USC's and Florida's. They don't have a dominant O-line or Secondary (Again I am not including Jenkins in that remark).
i think there has been some coaching issues as well. i think if JT can get them to play a little better than they did in the fiesta bowl consistently, then we will be set. I think Pryor will amaze next year and his junior year.
btw, sava. pryor is better than dilrod taylor right now.
btw, sava. pryor is better than dilrod taylor right now.
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JT has shown an ability to adapt and honestly I think RRod will bring out the best in him once RRod gets the players he needs into his system. 3 yards and a cloud of dust no longer works effectively on the national scene and I honestly think within 9-10 years the Big 10 will overhaul their style of offense and be right there with the best conferences.Gixxer wrote:i think there has been some coaching issues as well. i think if JT can get them to play a little better than they did in the fiesta bowl consistently, then we will be set. I think Pryor will amaze next year and his junior year.
All this said it's hard not to blame JT for some questionable play calls in big games which frankly makes little sense due to his history of winning multiple titles. Either his style was only receptive at the Div 1-AA level and he hit the jackpot once or he has gone as far as he can go coaching wise. Personally I think he will adapt as previously stated.
It will. What I was trying to say is in 9-10 years people will likely forget that the Big 10 went through this problem. It helps that Indiana, Northwestern, Penn State and Michigan already run the spread. In time my bet is a majority will and start to see some serious success. Of course your Indiana's and NW's will likely never be National Title contenders.Gixxer wrote:something needs to happen and in waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less time than 8 years.
"It could be argued, and quite easily I might add, that the Buckeyes have faced the best team in the nation at the end of each of the last three seasons. And you might as well throw USC in there as well, for my money the best college team I have ever seen play in person since the 1998 Buckeyes."
this might have something to do with the last 3 seasons the bucks are 0-3.
this might have something to do with the last 3 seasons the bucks are 0-3.
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That's certainly up for dispute due to the craziness of the BCS, but there is little doubt they faced one of the top teams. Of course when you play for the title which they did 2 of the last 3 years you are supposed to play a top team so that hardly helps OSU's argument.Gixxer wrote:"It could be argued, and quite easily I might add, that the Buckeyes have faced the best team in the nation at the end of each of the last three seasons. And you might as well throw USC in there as well, for my money the best college team I have ever seen play in person since the 1998 Buckeyes."
this might have something to do with the last 3 seasons the bucks are 0-3.
Thats irrelevant cause Pryor does have a better o-line to help him out than what TT has - Right now. But TT isn't up for discussion..you started with Pryor so we are talking about him and him not being ready for a heisman chance yet.Gixxer wrote: btw, sava. pryor is better than dilrod taylor right now.
I'm not saying they are or will be... As long as they win the conference and the bowl game they go to thats all thats important for starters.. you shouldn't look too far ahead. But RIGHT NOW which is what he said.. no TT has a problem with the o-line...next season could be different which isn't "RIGHT NOW".Roody wrote:Really? Wow if that's the case then Va. Tech isn't going to be a title contender next year.
I know it's not right now, but if that's the claim which you are making then they won't make that strong of an improvement next year either unless a good amount of the O-Line is leaving and Va. Tech is getting All-World freshmen in on the O-Line.Sava700 wrote:I'm not saying they are or will be... As long as they win the conference and the bowl game they go to thats all thats important for starters.. you shouldn't look too far ahead. But RIGHT NOW which is what he said.. no TT has a problem with the o-line...next season could be different which isn't "RIGHT NOW".
I'm not making any claim..come on man.. read back a little.. thats what Gixxer said "RIGHT NOW"Roody wrote:I know it's not right now, but if that's the claim which you are making then they won't make that strong of an improvement next year either unless a good amount of the O-Line is leaving and Va. Tech is getting All-World freshmen in on the O-Line.
I'm not discussing anything out of the lines..he said "RIGHT NOW" so I'm talking about exactly that.btw, sava. pryor is better than dilrod taylor right now.
That's probably the case, but we just don't know for certain. Pryor is a freak of nature with an amazing build which brings him more press. TT doesn't have that kind of size. Still TT has undoubtedly improved throughout the year and was a big part and I do mean a big part of Va. Tech's success this year and in particular during their bowl game.Gixxer wrote:if they had the exact same o-line, TP is still better.
In fact I would have to say if TT wasn't in that game then Cincy wins it.