Why is America turning into a big fat slob?

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:06 pm

Does anyone care about their health anymore? We have become a disgustingly lazy society and have no concern for our own health.

Why don't people exercise anymore?
Why doesn't anyone care about what they put into their body?
At what point did mediocrity become acceptable?

People don't need vitamins because they get all they need from the food they eat. (YEAH RIGHT) No one gets close to all the required nutrients, which is part of the reason for the obesity problem which leads to disease and is almost the complete reason for the terminal illnesses and other sicknesses people commonly get now. The reason behind Erectile dysfunction, which one may think would be a real motivator for men at the least, but no I'll just drop a couple dollars and take a little blue pill.

The drug manufacturers have the public duped and the politicians and FDA in their pockets. It is time to educate yourself and go organic. It takes some time and dedication, but is very much possible.

In the U.S. for a food to be labeled "All Natural" it must be 75% natural as in not altered by man, no chemicals, no genetic junk, no nothing, just earth.
Organic is a step better it requires 95% natural.

I recommend a book: Natural cures "They don't want you to know about"
The author Kevin Trudeau comes off as a bit of a conspiracy LOON totally crazy, however if you do a little bit of internet research and simply watch the news you see some of what he says is very true. He has added a significant amount of EXTREMELY repetitious blather, but among the junk there is some really spectacular information put into one place. A great handbook for anyone who wants to avoid further destroying their body with the harmful chemicals of pharmaceutical drugs.

Qwijib0 · Post by **Qwijib0** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:11 pm

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

seriously?

kevin trudeau?

at first I was just assuming you were one of the slightly crazy people that seem to have collided here, but now I see you're just a retard for even remotely suggesting that anything from Trudeau is worth more than the paper it's printed on.

Please go away.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:15 pm

Qwijib0 wrote:ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

seriously?

kevin trudeau?

at first I was just assuming you were one of the slightly crazy people that seem to have collided here, but now I see you're just a retard for even remotely suggesting that anything from Trudeau is worth more than the paper it's printed on.

Please go away.

He's just a political troll.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:27 pm

Curious as to what "mediocrity" has to do with being tubby.

mountainman · Post by **mountainman** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:27 pm

I'm seeing the opposite these days. Many of my friends are getting into great shape and cutting out the fat.

Trying to sell something? Where's the link to your store?

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:28 pm

Check out some literature by Michael Colgan he is a doctor who specializes in sports nutrition and has recently gotten extensively into brain health and the prevention of degenerative brain diseases. (ie. Alzheimer)

While he is primarily talking about athletes in most his books he does address the issue of the general public lack of proper nutrition. All his work is backed by his numerous PhD.'s as well as numerous studies by a wide variety of universities and other institutions. His credentials are a mile long take a look at his website. He isn't off the wall like Trudeau, but the basic gist of his information bares some resemblance. Just take a quick look at his bio and do a little research.

http://www.Colganinstitute.com

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:33 pm

NExt up, Vince from ShamWOW!

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:37 pm

No Mountainman, I actually just get really upset with my mom refusing to care for herself when I just watched my grandfather reduced to an infant in about 5 years. I don't want to have to give her the intensive care we had to give him. He didn't have the information available people today do. I saw the very worst of the so called "Cutting edge Preventative Medicine" and all it does is hide one symptom of a problem only to cause three more even worse ones. I see that issue with people all over the U.S. I just want my fellow countrymen to be more aware, better informed, and healthier. With all our technology and individual processing abilities we should all be able to accomplish near optimal health. If you can talk on the phone, smoke, eat, and drive why can't you take a couple less breaks go home an hour later and take after 4 days of work? In that free time there you could do some very basic research about 1-2 hours worth and know most of what you need. Make some fresh dinner with the fam and stay home from Mc-E D's.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:41 pm

R0cke113 wrote:No Mountainman, I actually just get really upset with my mom refusing to care for herself when I just watched my grandfather reduced to an infant in about 5 years. I don't want to have to give her the intensive care we had to give him. He didn't have the information available people today do. I saw the very worst of the so called "Cutting edge Preventative Medicine" and all it does is hide one symptom of a problem only to cause three more even worse ones. I see that issue with people all over the U.S. I just want my fellow countrymen to be more aware, better informed, and healthier. With all our technology and individual processing abilities we should all be able to accomplish near optimal health. If you can talk on the phone, smoke, eat, and drive why can't you take a couple less breaks go home an hour later and take after 4 days of work? In that free time there you could do some very basic research about 1-2 hours worth and know most of what you need. Make some fresh dinner with the fam and stay home from Mc-E D's.

Actually, it sounds like you want to apply your own sorrows onto everyone else.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:23 pm

Burke wrote:NExt up, Vince from ShamWOW!

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:32 pm

Ease up on the insults guys.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:04 pm

Roody wrote:Ease up on the insults guys.

... But he called America Ferrera a big fat slob!

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:10 pm

R0cke113 wrote: Why is America turning into a big fat slob?

Answer: Lack of exercise in relation to caloric intake.

Next question.

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:19 pm

R0cke113 wrote:Why is America turning into a big fat slob?.

McDonalds,video games,and the internet.

when I was a kid,we actually walked to school,played with real toys(usually outside),and ate good meals as a family.

that all has alot to do with it IMO

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:31 pm

R0cke113 wrote:...Why is America turning into a big fat slob?....

Because we learned to import Mexicans to do our work for us.

Gandalf · Post by **Gandalf** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:43 pm

Actually kind of a Epidemic for most powerful nations, except the USA leads the way. But who cares right? If I can order pizza online without getting out of my chair at all, then eat it while I am playing my MMORPG, thats up to me so STFU.

BTW IM not fat

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:23 pm

Gimmee a quad-whopper with cheese
Large Fries
Large Chocolate Shake
Apple pie
& a large diet coke because I'm watching it!

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:22 pm

R0cke113 wrote:No Mountainman, I actually just get really upset with my mom refusing to care for herself when I just watched my grandfather reduced to an infant in about 5 years. I don't want to have to give her the intensive care we had to give him. He didn't have the information available people today do. I saw the very worst of the so called "Cutting edge Preventative Medicine" and all it does is hide one symptom of a problem only to cause three more even worse ones. I see that issue with people all over the U.S. I just want my fellow countrymen to be more aware, better informed, and healthier. With all our technology and individual processing abilities we should all be able to accomplish near optimal health. If you can talk on the phone, smoke, eat, and drive why can't you take a couple less breaks go home an hour later and take after 4 days of work? In that free time there you could do some very basic research about 1-2 hours worth and know most of what you need. Make some fresh dinner with the fam and stay home from Mc-E D's.

I understand that you care about your mother and do not want to see her health deteriorate over time. You have to remember, you cannot force change on her. Trust me, I know. Make sure you just take care of you.

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R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:24 am

I'm just looking for peoples opinions on the subject. I put my own personal story out there to try to get my point across a little more clearly. This same thing happens to so many Americans. Our life expectancy is going higher by the day while our healthy life expectancy stays about the same. I just wonder why people don't care about being healthy at all.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:16 am

The biggest reason for weight gain in this country is convenience and that for the bottom end of the money pool, the best ratio of protein vs money spent if you eat out, is fast food.

Eating healthy is generally more expensive.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:20 am

R0cke113 wrote:I'm just looking for peoples opinions on the subject. I put my own personal story out there to try to get my point across a little more clearly. This same thing happens to so many Americans. Our life expectancy is going higher by the day while our healthy life expectancy stays about the same. I just wonder why people don't care about being healthy at all.

Americans are LAZY . it is less work to think about it than do something about it.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:21 am

downhill wrote:The biggest reason for weight gain in this country is convenience and that for the bottom end of the money pool, the best ratio of protein vs money spent if you eat out, is fast food.

Eating healthy is generally more expensive.

laziness

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:48 am

Really, Gixxer? True people don't get as much exercise but then most are busier than they were 20 years ago.

I wouldn't call a couple, who between them, work 100 hours a week, lazy. True there are heavy people from all walks of life who could do a lot better and studies show that there is some gain by Americans to loosing weight.

Do some research and you'll see that indeed, my post has some relevance.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 am

downhill wrote:Really, Gixxer? True people don't get as much exercise but then most are busier than they were 20 years ago.

I wouldn't call a couple, who between them, work 100 hours a week, lazy. True there are heavy people from all walks of life who could do a lot better and studies show that there is some gain by Americans to loosing weight.

Do some research and you'll see that indeed, my post has some relevance.

i don't need to research to know that your words are correct in that we are busier today. my wife and i live what you are talking about. the key words are "they could do better." whatever word you want to fill in with "lazy", then go ahead. if they can and don't, it is laziness/unmotivated or whatever you want to call it.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:57 am

I've already given you one example. It's more expensive to eat better. If you're poor, that's not exactly a bonus.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:00 am

downhill wrote:I've already given you one example. It's more expensive to eat better. If you're poor, that's not exactly a bonus.

it is not that much more (if at all) expensive to eat better. it boils down to what do you want and what are you willing to do for it.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:20 am

downhill wrote:I've already given you one example. It's more expensive to eat better. If you're poor, that's not exactly a bonus.

I agree 100%. While laziness does play a role, $$$ plays a bigger factor. I'm heavy into the gym and try to eat as healthy as I can but sometimes $$ does play a role in what I buy. Supermarkets like Whole Foods and Trader Joe's that specialize in organic and healthy foods are a lot more $$$ than your regular ole supermarkets.

WhoNut · Post by **WhoNut** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:24 am

You're both right. Convenience and money both come into play.

Consider a hamburger. Which is easier, a Whopper from BK or a hand formed patty from grass fed buffalo with a home made bun and a slice of organic mozzarella? Clearly, the guy making the home burger is gonna miss the evening news and will probably spend an extra buck or two on his meal.

In the end, I lean towards laziness being a bigger factor. It's rare that a person can't find the time to exercise if he really wants to. Lunchtime at my work is a good example; my peers spread across the city filling their guts with processed food, while a couple of us play racquetball or run intervals at the local track. A quick lunch of yogurt, almonds and a cliff bar at my desk works just fine.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:27 am

WhoNut wrote:You're both right. Convenience and money both come into play.

Consider a hamburger. Which is easier, a Whopper from BK or a hand formed patty from grass fed buffalo with a home made bun and a slice of organic mozzarella? Clearly, the guy making the home burger is gonna miss the evening news and will probably spend an extra buck or two on his meal.

In the end, I lean towards laziness being a bigger factor. It's rare that a person can't find the time to exercise if he really wants to. Lunchtime at my work is a good example; my peers spread across the city filling their guts with processed food, while a couple of us play racquetball or run intervals at the local track. A quick lunch of yogurt, almonds and a cliff bar at my desk works just fine.

consider you don't want a tire belly. what do you do. nothing or something. most americans choose to do nothing which has nothing to do with convenience or money.

well it may be more convenient for them i guess. (to do nothing)

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:44 am

I think you're oversimplifying it, Gixxer. It's a lot more complicated that that for some people.

There's a lot of evidence that genes play a big part in this and again, it's more expensive to eat healthy.

Then again, there's convenience. I eat at a Subway all the time and the only drawback is it takes a lot more time to get your food vs a Burger King or a Micky D's.

Convenience plays a large part in this.

Of course as you pointed out, being lazy can also be a factor but it's no where close to the only reason.

Like I said, do some research.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:18 am

downhill wrote:I think you're oversimplifying it, Gixxer. It's a lot more complicated that that for some people.

There's a lot of evidence that genes play a big part in this and again, it's more expensive to eat healthy.

Then again, there's convenience. I eat at a Subway all the time and the only drawback is it takes a lot more time to get your food vs a Burger King or a Micky D's.

Convenience plays a large part in this.

Of course as you pointed out, being lazy can also be a factor but it's no where close to the only reason.

Like I said, do some research.

well, i need weight i put it on. if i need to lose, i lose. i know it is not as easy for everybody.

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:08 pm

Some has to do with education, but most has to do with dedication. There is minimal motivation to go to the gym and no motivation to educate yourself and be healthy even as far as taking a low quality multi-vitamin. While it won't do a lot for you it is a real great start in the right direction.

DV · Post by DV » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:34 pm

The Carls Jr. Six Dollar Guac Burger is solely responsible

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:06 pm

Wow is that a real label because that would be actually a semi-healthy sandwich if not for the pounds not grams of fat in it.

DV · Post by DV » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:11 pm

R0cke113 wrote:Wow is that a real label because that would be actually a semi-healthy sandwich if not for the pounds not grams of fat in it.

It's real - http://www.carlsjr.com/menu/

The fat is bad, but the calories and sodium are also rather impressive.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:29 pm

Gixxer wrote:well, i need weight i put it on. if i need to lose, i lose. i know it is not as easy for everybody.

What reasons do you have to put on weight....and then to lose it?

R0cke113 · Post by **R0cke113** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:05 pm

The calorie thing is primarily a big ploy. Calories are nothing more than a total count of all ingredients. 1 g of fat is 9 cal. and 1 g of protein and carbs are each 4 cal. The significance of this information is that while you have been led to believe calories are bad they are very indifferent. 80 calories from fat are bad while the same from protein is good. Your body needs more than the RDI of protein anyway. A g of protein requires your body to burn approx. 3 calories to break it down into glycogen, which is what all carbs basically fall apart into. Glycogen is basically the sugar in your blood.

Table sugar basically turns into glycogen with little to no effort by your body while protein requires it to burn cals. to do so. This is why the high protein diets work. The down side is that proteins burn dirty creating free radicals which are created regardless protein just creates a few more. To get rid of free radicals it is important to consume LOTS of antioxidants basically through supplement to get the full variety and enough. All extra glucose/glycogen your body doesn't need at the moment is turned to fat.

There are good and bad carbs. Before a long distance run or a intense workout you may want some bad carbs for some quick energy. Otherwise you want to consume as much high glycemic index carbs as possible. High glycemic index carbs are similar to protein in that when broken down by the body they require more energy to be digested. Therefore you are burning calories just by eating.

The human body can not digest cellulose so for the most part any raw or steamed vegetable is basically just pushed through your body. You still get a lot a nutrients from fresh as well as MUCH needed fiber. Down side a lot of fruits and veggies have a bit of natural sugars in them so that can add some bad carbs, but they can not be avoided just limited. Basically just limit your simple sugars, table sugar, candy, honey (rich in b-vitamins), any pre-packaged juice. A more comprehensive list can be found simply by googling glycemic index.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:11 pm

R0cke113 wrote:The calorie thing is primarily a big ploy. Calories are nothing more than a total count of all ingredients. 1 g of fat is 9 cal. and 1 g of protein and carbs are each 4 cal. The significance of this information is that while you have been led to believe calories are bad they are very indifferent. 80 calories from fat are bad while the same from protein is good. Your body needs more than the RDI of protein anyway. A g of protein requires your body to burn approx. 3 calories to break it down into glycogen, which is what all carbs basically fall apart into. Glycogen is basically the sugar in your blood.

Table sugar basically turns into glycogen with little to no effort by your body while protein requires it to burn cals. to do so. This is why the high protein diets work. The down side is that proteins burn dirty creating free radicals which are created regardless protein just creates a few more. To get rid of free radicals it is important to consume LOTS of antioxidants basically through supplement to get the full variety and enough. All extra glucose/glycogen your body doesn't need at the moment is turned to fat.

There are good and bad carbs. Before a long distance run or a intense workout you may want some bad carbs for some quick energy. Otherwise you want to consume as much high glycemic index carbs as possible. High glycemic index carbs are similar to protein in that when broken down by the body they require more energy to be digested. Therefore you are burning calories just by eating.

The human body can not digest cellulose so for the most part any raw or steamed vegetable is basically just pushed through your body. You still get a lot a nutrients from fresh as well as MUCH needed fiber. Down side a lot of fruits and veggies have a bit of natural sugars in them so that can add some bad carbs, but they can not be avoided just limited. Basically just limit your simple sugars, table sugar, candy, honey (rich in b-vitamins), any pre-packaged juice. A more comprehensive list can be found simply by googling glycemic index.

Are you no longer in South Korea?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:00 pm

mountainman wrote:I'm seeing the opposite these days. Many of my friends are getting into great shape and cutting out the fat.

Trying to sell something? Where's the link to your store?

I agree...IMO the health kick has been on the rise. I see more people out walking then ever, or running, or biking. One sees healthier foods everyone, even the "fast food chains" are doing quite a bit.

People seem more aware of healthy foods, more "trendy" things are on the rise such as anti-oxidants, (acai berry juices, etc).