UOD wrote:there are old members that have left text evidence stating as much. Poke around some of the recent carnage and look at certain members profiles. Profiles are the new e-rep battleground.
Fair enough.....Sg is getting killed simply by competition. There are a hundred other sites that provide the same services....only better and without the child like (it's my ball and my rules if you don't like it....) BS. There's a reason sites like MySpace, Facebook, Reddit and Digg and the chans are so popular and I assure you it's not because everyone is 'civil'. Some people need to grow some thicker skin and stop being such wussies. I mean, do the mods really think an infraction will make someone think twice before posting? I expect that kind of conditioning to work with children....not adults.
downhill wrote:Can you quote an example where any of them have been nearly as rash as some of the membership?
It'd be easier if you could just show us a mod that got a warning. I assume by your lack of an answer and your answering his question with a question that the answer is 'No'.
UOD wrote:Do we hold him to the same set of values in real life? In a way, we do by not voting for him. But really, what kind of backlash does he deserve for such comments?
One of the big problems I have with banning folks is that it's silencing free speech. If the person is that bad....can't we just IGNORE him/her?
You will be silenced because we don't like how you say things to us. Very odd for champions of freedom to hold such a belief.
Nah, the mods reserve the right to decide for the rest of us what's appropriate or not. They basically ignore the fact there is a 'report' function in the forums so a member could report a post that's seen to be offensive ....apparently we aren't able to decide for ourselves these things. If even one member complains about a post it's gone...no majority ...no democracy....just 'I know better than you'
Izzo wrote:It'd be easier if you could just show us a mod that got a warning. I assume by your lack of an answer and your answering his question with a question that the answer is 'No'.
It might be easier but that's not the point. Show me one single time that I've crossed the line as you have, Izzo. I mean that most respectfully and I'll give you all the time needed.
Now, I'll answer your question. Dang straight we examine ourselves. Of course Philip has PM'd us on occasion about decisions we've made.
That said, we wouldn't have been asked to help out here if Philip didn't trust our judgment to do the right thing.
Izzo wrote:Nah, the mods reserve the right to decide for the rest of us what's appropriate or not. They basically ignore the fact there is a 'report' function in the forums so a member could report a post that's seen to be offensive ....apparently we aren't able to decide for ourselves these things. If even one member complains about a post it's gone...no majority ...no democracy....just 'I know better than you'
*sigh*
Izzo, I can't figure out what's so hard about all this. It's not a street corner. It's Philips business. He can decide what's allowed and what isn't. EOS
Name me a business where you can stand up on a soapbox and sprout anything you like without repercussion.
downhill wrote:It might be easier but that's not the point. Show me one single time that I've crossed the line as you have, Izzo. I mean that most respectfully and I'll give you all the time needed.
Now, I'll answer your question. Dang straight we examine ourselves. Of course Philip has PM'd us on occasion about decisions we've made.
That said, we wouldn't have been asked to help out here if Philip didn't trust our judgment to do the right thing.
It is the point and that wasn't the question. It's a pretty simple question which can be answer either with a yes or a no. We're not interested in introspection... do you get infractions?
Izzo, I can't figure out what's so hard about all this. It's not a street corner. It's Philips business. He can decide what's allowed and what isn't. EOS
Name me a business where you can stand up on a soapbox and sprout anything you like without repercussion.
*sigh* *facepalm* It's a public forum and this isn't a business ...it's a cheesy website and I don't work here.
Izzo, I can't figure out what's so hard about all this. It's not a street corner. It's Philips business. He can decide what's allowed and what isn't. EOS
Name me a business where you can stand up on a soapbox and sprout anything you like without repercussion.
Well, since you put it that way....my forum suggestion is tied into the business end. I did say to tie it into premium membership. That's how ARS does it and they must be making A LOT of money on that because they have to pay no matter what...I paid.
UOD wrote:Do we hold him to the same set of values in real life? In a way, we do by not voting for him. But really, what kind of backlash does he deserve for such comments?
One of the big problems I have with banning folks is that it's silencing free speech. If the person is that bad....can't we just IGNORE him/her?
You will be silenced because we don't like how you say things to us. Very odd for champions of freedom to hold such a belief.
It's about respect. If a person decides not to have it then they will likely be forced to leave.
Izzo wrote:Fair enough.....Sg is getting killed simply by competition. There are a hundred other sites that provide the same services....only better and without the child like (it's my ball and my rules if you don't like it....) BS. There's a reason sites like MySpace, Facebook, Reddit and Digg and the chans are so popular and I assure you it's not because everyone is 'civil'. Some people need to grow some thicker skin and stop being such wussies. I mean, do the mods really think an infraction will make someone think twice before posting? I expect that kind of conditioning to work with children....not adults.
Would you rather we just ban you right away next time?
Izzo wrote:It'd be easier if you could just show us a mod that got a warning. I assume by your lack of an answer and your answering his question with a question that the answer is 'No'.
You won't see it just like you don't see 95% of the warnings given out. A very high majority of the warnings given out are never known by the members here unless one of those members makes a thread about it.
Izzo wrote:Nah, the mods reserve the right to decide for the rest of us what's appropriate or not. They basically ignore the fact there is a 'report' function in the forums so a member could report a post that's seen to be offensive ....apparently we aren't able to decide for ourselves these things. If even one member complains about a post it's gone...no majority ...no democracy....just 'I know better than you'
If that was true I would agree with you. That said it is not.
Izzo wrote:*sigh* *facepalm* It's a public forum and this isn't a business ...it's a cheesy website and I don't work here.
Of course it's a business and before you criticize the guy who owns the site to much you might want to take a moment and thank him. If it wasn't for Philip you wouldn't even be here posting right now.
Roody wrote:Of course it's a business and before you criticize the guy who owns the site to much you might want to take a moment and thank him. If it wasn't for Philip you wouldn't even be here posting right now.
No, it's not a business in the context DH suggested. I am not paying for any service nor am I receiving anything. It's a public forum just like 1000's of others. Don't fool yourself into believing this place is something special because it isn't.....it's just one out of a million. Thank him? You've got to be joking? You know just as well as I do that banning me wouldn't prevent me from posting.
Roody wrote:You won't see it just like you don't see 95% of the warnings given out. A very high majority of the warnings given out are never known by the members here unless one of those members makes a thread about it.
Izzo wrote:No, it's not a business in the context DH suggested. I am not paying for any service nor am I receiving anything. It's a public forum just like 1000's of others. Don't fool yourself into believing this place is something special because it isn't.....it's just one out of a million. Thank him? You've got to be joking? You know just as well as I do that banning me wouldn't prevent me from posting.
Yeah you should thank him. He is after all the only reason why you are still allowed to be here. Sure you could sneak back in under another name and we may or may not catch you, but it sure as heck wouldn't be like before where everyone knew who you were.
You are wrong. It's really as simple as that. Having you debate with me over forum matters of which you know very little about is silly Izzo. You don't know even a 1/4 of it.
Roody wrote:Yeah you should thank him. He is after all the only reason why you are still allowed to be here. Sure you could sneak back in under another name and we may or may not catch you, but it sure as heck wouldn't be like before where everyone knew who you were.
No, I won't....there's no need and the rest of your post is meaningless.
Roody wrote:It's about respect. If a person decides not to have it then they will likely be forced to leave.
I agree but here is where I have an issue....if I have to tell you 10,000 times that 2+2=4.....I'm going to go nuts and lose all respect for you and then I just have to come out and call a spade a spade.
Most discussions I see start off with a civil tone but they degrade over time because some folks are just so bullheaded that they refuse to accept the truth when it's shown to them over and over and over.
BTW, Ghosthunter just PM'd me and he said I was wrong in why he left. So I will take him at his word as I have always done and say that I'm wrong.
Roody wrote:You are wrong. It's really as simple as that. Having you debate with me over forum matters of which you know very little about is silly Izzo. You don't know even a 1/4 of it.
Actually, I'm not but I don't expect a lot of logic from a person that believes the Earth is 6000 years old.
UOD wrote:I agree but here is where I have an issue....if I have to tell you 10,000 times that 2+2=4.....I'm going to go nuts and lose all respect for you and then I just have to come out and call a spade a spade.
Most discussions I see start off with a civil tone but they degrade over time because some folks are just so bullheaded that they refuse to accept the truth when it's shown to them over and over and over.
BTW, Ghosthunter just PM'd me and he said I was wrong in why he left. So I will take him at his word as I have always done and say that I'm wrong.
For all the criticism the site gets we aren't as heavy handed as is being suggested in this thread. In fact I would say if anything we aren't heavy handed enough.
Izzo wrote:Actually, I'm not but I don't expect a lot of logic from a person that believes the Earth is 6000 years old.
Proof of why we need this forum I speak of....it will also enable the mods to lash out and participate in the debate, at their own peril of course, but at least nobody gets banned. This is how it's done on other more successful sites.
Izzo wrote:Actually, I'm not but I don't expect a lot of logic from a person that believes the Earth is 6000 years old.
Izzo just stop. Having you argue stating that you know how we handle reported posts is just silly. You don't even know 5% of it much less enough to say you are right about this idea. It's this kind of crap that we hear from you that makes you lose all credibility with the staff. You continously dig and dig and show the very lack of respect that we are talking about here.
Roody wrote:For all the criticism the site gets we aren't as heavy handed as is being suggested in this thread. In fact I would say if anything we aren't heavy handed enough.
UOD wrote:Proof of why we need this forum I speak of....it will also enable the mods to lash out and participate in the debate, at their own peril of course, but at least nobody gets banned. This is how it's done on other more successful sites.
I agree but again it goes back to the "I know better" BS that runs rampant here with the moderation.
Roody wrote:Izzo just stop. Having you argue stating that you know how we handle reported posts is just silly. You don't even know 5% of it much less enough to say you are right about this idea. It's this kind of crap that we hear from you that makes you lose all credibility with the staff. You continously dig and dig and show the very lack of respect that we are talking about here.
No, I won't. and again ....it's a simple question...yes or no......take your time.
