I mean, really?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:59 pm

Sid wrote:I remember a thread a while back that John used that word in(over rode the sensors). I see he's still a member and was not banned. Does that mean Mods are immune?

Hell Philip and other mods have laughed at pics that had the F word in it.

JC · Post by JC » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:00 pm

Roody wrote:Not a single staff member here states that things don't happen. It's when a person starts showing a habit of abuses that gets them in trouble. Undoubtedly alot of us (myself included) have done things on the boards that we shouldn't have done. That said showing remorse and exercising common sense when it comes to forum board rules is a quick way to resolve any past transgressions. What Izzo does is he pushes the envelope, disrespects staff, breaks rules and then doesn't typically show any remorse (if he ever has I can't recall it). Those are all recipes for disaster.

If anyone here doesn't recognize the difference between a person who occassionally goes overboard and a habitual rule breaker like Izzo then I would suggest learning the difference. Izzo's problems are documented.

I stand by my decision to ban him even if I am ultimately overruled. I believe it's been a long time coming and sets a dangerous precedent to allow it to continue. That said I am speaking only for myself.

What happened to your nap?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:01 pm

JC wrote:What happened to your nap?

I'll probably wish I had been asleep right now if Wisconsin delivers the beating to Michigan I imagine they will.

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:03 pm

Jesus Christ. Have a party at your house and then have a bunch of people bitch when when you complain about someone wiping their ass with your towels.

Why was is it so important? Seems there is plenty of other stuff to worry about

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:04 pm

Roody wrote:Not a single staff member here states that things don't happen. It's when a person starts showing a habit of abuses that gets them in trouble. Undoubtedly alot of us (myself included) have done things on the boards that we shouldn't have done. That said showing remorse and exercising common sense when it comes to forum board rules is a quick way to resolve any past transgressions. What Izzo does is he pushes the envelope, disrespects staff, breaks rules and then doesn't typically show any remorse (if he ever has I can't recall it). Those are all recipes for disaster.

If anyone here doesn't recognize the difference between a person who occassionally goes overboard and a habitual rule breaker like Izzo then I would suggest learning the difference. Izzo's problems are documented.

I stand by my decision to ban him even if I am ultimately overruled. I believe it's been a long time coming and sets a dangerous precedent to allow it to continue. That said I am speaking only for myself.

As far as breaking the rules and pushing the envelope its rather easy to do, even if a person doesn't mean to when the rules aren't consistent.

That wont change the people that want to push the rules, but then as long as its pushing and not breaking, its not so bad.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:08 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:As far as breaking the rules and pushing the envelope its rather easy to do, even if a person doesn't mean to when the rules aren't consistent.

That wont change the people that want to push the rules, but then as long as its pushing and not breaking, its not so bad.

Unfortunately for Izzo he not only pushed, but he broke them repeatedly.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:09 pm

Roody wrote:Unfortunately for Izzo he not only pushed, but he broke them repeatedly.

uh oh...past tense implies bannage.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:12 pm

Humboldt wrote:uh oh...past tense implies bannage.

Honestly I didn't think I could do anything else and attempt to be somewhat consistent

JC · Post by JC » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:15 pm

Roody wrote:Honestly I didn't think I could do anything else and attempt to be somewhat consistent

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:15 pm

Roody wrote:Honestly I didn't think I could do anything else and attempt to be somewhat consistent

pm sent

OSULLY · Post by **OSULLY** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:26 pm

As sugested in the past, this should be about why people we want on this board have left or rarely drop in.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:30 pm

OSULLY wrote:As sugested in the past, this should be about why people we want on this board have left or rarely drop in.

In my opinion it's directly as a result of people like Izzo. No matter how many times you ask or warn they constantly disrespect not only staff, but fellow members and continuously break the rules. Again if Izzo would just learn to respect people a little bit more and for that matter respect the rules that Philip setup this issue would never have happened.

Ultimately though the decision for Izzo to remain banned is up to Philip. I can only do what I feel is necessary at the time a situation happened.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:00 am

Sid wrote:I remember a thread a while back that John used that word in(over rode the sensors). I see he's still a member and was not banned. Does that mean Mods are immune?

We try not to. If John posted something late at night while partying hard 'n buzzing at college, and it was a bit over the edge, I do recall him mopping up his own "over the line posts" quite a bit the next day when he sobered up. We don't get an opportunity to read every single thread either..so sometimes one slips past. I do most of my cruising in the morning, I get time to examine the top pages. A rule that I try to keep as far as what's allowed and what's not allowed...is that nobody should ever have to be embarrassed about any page they have up on their screen on the SG forums, if they have family around, or at the workplace. A lot of us here cruise the boards while at work, and at home.

A generally accepted method of posting daring content...is to link it, and put a warning on the post..."NWS" or something like that. This allows people to click on that type of content if they'd like, without embarrassing them by surprise at the workplace, or a home in front of the wife of kids. This method keeps respect for the site.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:25 am

Ultimately, Roody, it comes down to the fact that you as a moderation team really aren't applying the rules fairly and evenly across the board.

You allow pictures of 98% naked women, various swear words, discussions about hard drugs, heavy violence, and discussions about the sex lives of members to go on in the forum, but a word like f-cker, you pull in a heartbeat. You claim that the forum is supposed to remain PG-rated, but there's so much content on here that's not labeled NSFW and steps way over the PG line that it's not the easiest thing in the world for members to know what will get them jumped on and what won't.

Maybe if you ended the 1,000-post "givebacks" (for real this time), banned conversation about war and violence (Gixxer's threads are a good example), forbade posting pictures of half-naked catgirls (Brent) / underage girls (how many times have you seen the "jailbait" motivator on this site?), updated your censor list to include bitch, damn, ass, douche, etc... and generally took a more consistant approach to moderation, you wouldn't be sitting here defending or explaining why one person went over the line, and another did not.

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:29 am

ibtl for sure

JC · Post by JC » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:06 pm

amro wrote:ibtl for sure

lol

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:42 pm

Paft wrote:Ultimately, Roody, it comes down to the fact that you as a moderation team really aren't applying the rules fairly and evenly across the board.

You allow pictures of 98% naked women, various swear words, discussions about hard drugs, heavy violence, and discussions about the sex lives of members to go on in the forum, but a word like f-cker, you pull in a heartbeat. You claim that the forum is supposed to remain PG-rated, but there's so much content on here that's not labeled NSFW and steps way over the PG line that it's not the easiest thing in the world for members to know what will get them jumped on and what won't.

Maybe if you ended the 1,000-post "givebacks" (for real this time), banned conversation about war and violence (Gixxer's threads are a good example), forbade posting pictures of half-naked catgirls (Brent) / underage girls (how many times have you seen the "jailbait" motivator on this site?), updated your censor list to include bitch, damn, ass, douche, etc... and generally took a more consistant approach to moderation, you wouldn't be sitting here defending or explaining why one person went over the line, and another did not.

I am being more than consistent Paft. I was asked why it happened and I explained why. For some reason you guys seem to think that one staff member catches everything that happens here. Facts are there is some things we miss. When I see something that I believe crosses the line I make the move to fix it. Now, we do cut some people some slack because stuff happens, but that's mainly because those people who are cut slack don't typically cause trouble.

However Izzo is a habitual rule breaker and he has been given more then enough opportunities. Philip may ultimately disagree with me, but I am far from being inconsistent. It's unrealistic for any member here to think a staff made up of multiple people will always see things the same way. You guys may call that being inconsistent, but in fact it's reality.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:51 pm

Paft, how is douche, damn, or ass not PG13?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:54 pm

Roody wrote:I am being more then consistent Paft.

Whats more than consistent?

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:55 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Whats more than consistent?

Oops

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:57 pm

Paft wrote:] over the PG line that it's not the easiest thing in the world for members to know what will get them jumped on and what won't.

It is not as difficult as you are making it out to be. Besides if you make a mistake and a mod warns you. Say your sorry and move on. No big deal. All the mods on this board have always dealt with me fairly. I don't think I have had too many problems with rule breaking. I have had some post deleted. But it never turned in an issue and I didn't make a new thread to whine about it.

Post by **Philip** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:31 pm

He'll be back in a few days, it's not a permanent ban. He did step over the line on many occasions, and the offensive picture seemed directed to people opposing him in the latest "debates".

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:34 pm

Paft wrote: You allow pictures of 98% naked women, various swear words, discussions about hard drugs, heavy violence, and discussions about the sex lives of members to go on in the forum, but a word like f-cker, you pull in a heartbeat. You claim that the forum is supposed to remain PG-rated, but there's so much content on here that's not labeled NSFW and steps way over the PG line that it's not the easiest thing in the world for members to know what will get them jumped on and what won't.

My view is....yeah, sometimes I'm not crazy about the giveback threads. But honestly....1 ) It's been a tradition, and 2 ) You know what you're clicking by the title...so you're usually not caught by surprise.

A lot of threads get quickly and quietly deleted without most people knowing. The main point about this thread though...is it was simply made to stir the pot. 99.999% of the threads that are quietly deleted each and every morning simply disappear quietly, without stirring the pot. I mean, seriously, how often do you see a "Why the eff was my post deleted?" thread? Not every day, not every week, barely even every month. Most people, thankfully, are just fine with internally going "Oops..guess that one must have crossed the line".

Also as mentioned, yes once in a while a member will post a thread that may somewhat cross the line..and it's generally overlooked. But as would normally be expected..one who continually and continually and continually crosses the line....

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:15 am

Paft wrote:Ultimately, Roody, it comes down to the fact that you as a moderation team really aren't applying the rules fairly and evenly across the board.

You allow pictures of 98% naked women, various swear words, discussions about hard drugs, heavy violence, and discussions about the sex lives of members to go on in the forum, but a word like f-cker, you pull in a heartbeat. You claim that the forum is supposed to remain PG-rated, but there's so much content on here that's not labeled NSFW and steps way over the PG line that it's not the easiest thing in the world for members to know what will get them jumped on and what won't.

Maybe if you ended the 1,000-post "givebacks" (for real this time), banned conversation about war and violence (Gixxer's threads are a good example), forbade posting pictures of half-naked catgirls (Brent) / underage girls (how many times have you seen the "jailbait" motivator on this site?), updated your censor list to include bitch, damn, ass, douche, etc... and generally took a more consistant approach to moderation, you wouldn't be sitting here defending or explaining why one person went over the line, and another did not.

example please

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:47 pm

I got a new TV

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:14 pm

Spammy wrote:I got a new TV

awesome .. .hope you like it

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:21 pm

Gixxer wrote:example please

Easy. Remember the thread where you were talking about dangling a kid over a bridge? Or the multiple threads where you wanted to "bomb the towelheads"? Those are just offhand.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:55 pm

Paft wrote:Easy. Remember the thread where you were talking about dangling a kid over a bridge? Or the multiple threads where you wanted to "bomb the towelheads"? Those are just offhand.

oh, you mean over two years ago about the bridge thing (way to be recent), and not sure what you are talking about with the towelhead thing.

JC · Post by JC » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:28 pm

Paft wrote:Easy. Remember the thread where you were talking about dangling a kid over a bridge? Or the multiple threads where you wanted to "bomb the towelheads"? Those are just offhand.

I think he was going to dangle Burke off a bridge.

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:35 pm

JC wrote:I think he was going to dangle Burke off a bridge.

either way, it certainly is no current event.

JC · Post by JC » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:39 pm

Gixxer wrote:either way, it certainly is no current event.

Agreed