Has Russia got the US beat?

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:22 am

If you are interested in fighter plains this might be of interest.

Russian fighter

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:09 am

have seen this before ... its a matter of opinion that this is the best fighter jet in the world ... even if this jet outperforms the raptor, without the pilot it's a paperweight and the us has the best pilots in the world

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:58 am

It is no doubt impressive in its ability to stall in flight without compressor failure, but what good is it stalling like a kite when it's shot down from 15 miles away? It says nothing of avionics, targeting and weaponry.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:02 am

They can build one... but can they maintain them? That's always been a problem.

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:37 am

Gixxer wrote:have seen this before ... its a matter of opinion that this is the best fighter jet in the world ... even if this jet outperforms the raptor, without the pilot it's a paperweight and the us has the best pilots in the world

Best in the world eh. Maybe you should stick to best in the USA. In the play fights they have with the Canadian pilots they loose.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:45 am

blacklab wrote:Best in the world eh. Maybe you should stick to best in the USA. In the play fights they have with the Canadian pilots they loose.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:01 pm

blacklab wrote:Best in the world eh. Maybe you should stick to best in the USA. In the play fights they have with the Canadian pilots they loose.

Now now.... they "loose" on purpose.

(blinks eyes and looks innocent)

Gosh!!!! You sure won that fight. Want to put some money on the next one?!?!?!

Unholy · Post by **Unholy** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:40 pm

Does the pilot even matter anymore. Nowadays it's all about stealth and blowing away planes miles away before they even know you're there.

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:45 pm

Unholy wrote:Does the pilot even matter anymore. Nowadays it's all about stealth and blowing away planes miles away before they even know you're there.

Nope, you gotta have a pilot. Computers don't brag, or drink beer.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:21 am

Japan has you all beat....

Since we won't deliver the F-22 to Japan, they said, screw you, we'll make our own but better.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:30 am

UOD wrote:Japan has you all beat....

Since we won't deliver the F-22 to Japan, they said, screw you, we'll make our own but better.

Sweet!!!!! How much down... and what are the monthly payments?

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:43 am

UOD wrote:Japan has you all beat....

Since we won't deliver the F-22 to Japan, they said, screw you, we'll make our own but better.

What I want to know is how many miles per gallon it gets, and does it come in any other colours? I don't suppose you have any deals for cash?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:45 am

blacklab wrote:If you are interested in fighter plains this might be of interest.

Russian fighter

Great camera work on that video.
See the canards working hard in some of those maneuvers.

The SU-27/30 Flanker came about a while ago, to beat current (at that time) Allied air superiority fighters..such as the aging F-15. And it did..hands down.

Doing somersaults without appreciable loss of altitude, impressive drop to zero speed times, and flat spins "on the spot"...she can be evasive..but it takes quite a pilot to wring it out of her. Russia isn't historically known for top pilot training.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:46 am

bigmo66 wrote:It is no doubt impressive in its ability to stall in flight without compressor failure, but what good is it stalling like a kite when it's shot down from 15 miles away? It says nothing of avionics, targeting and weaponry.

Unholy wrote:Does the pilot even matter anymore. Nowadays it's all about stealth and blowing away planes miles away before they even know you're there.

bigmo..some basics are covered mid-section of this link...

Unholy...covers your question a bit down towards the bottom of this link...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... u-30mk.htm

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:26 pm

blacklab wrote:In the play fights .

thats why

blacklab · Post by **blacklab** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:01 pm

Gixxer wrote:thats why

Good thing too, otherwise the US would have fewer planes flying.

Shagster · Post by **Shagster** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:10 pm

Seen the f22 fly tons of times, they use the same airport as vmfa142, my f18a+ squadron. An f16 can take off, turn around, and fly at 250 towards the idle f22 on the runway. The f22 guns its engines, kicks in thrust vectoring, and is behind the f16 all inside of 15 seconds.

The f22 is stealth capable, has the best flight systems in the world, and at save a lot of time is flat out the best aircraft in the world atm.

Seriously, if there is a air show next to you and the 22 is making an appearance by all means drop what your doing and go. If the pilot is allowed to really show it off it would put everything else to shame in your mind.

vc_wannabe · Post by **vc_wannabe** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:14 am

Side by side video, mostly the same manuvers from what I can tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_za3KfMFKLk

tarpoon75 · Post by **tarpoon75** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:19 am

blacklab wrote:Good thing too, otherwise the US would have fewer planes flying.

You mean like the 12 that the Canuck armed forces have?

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:56 am

blacklab wrote:Good thing too, otherwise the US would have fewer planes flying.

i think you are too confident in your pilots ... i have not read or heard anything about them being good let alone the best ... any info to read?

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:08 am

tarpoon75 wrote:You mean like the 12 that the Canuck armed forces have?

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:15 pm

vc_wannabe wrote:Side by side video, mostly the same manuvers from what I can tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_za3KfMFKLk

Very good video.

In light of this, and the Raptor's stealth capabilities, and speed, and the pilots...

I <3 USA.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:04 pm

The Raptor would smoke it! Like someone said, what good is maneuverability if we can engage it 20 miles out without being seen and blow it out of the sky before the pilot can even react!

Also what would you rather have? 2 of those falling apart in the air or a squadron of fully maintained Raptors?!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:28 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:The Raptor would smoke it! Like someone said, what good is maneuverability if we can engage it 20 miles out without being seen and blow it out of the sky before the pilot can even react!

Also what would you rather have? 2 of those falling apart in the air or a squadron of fully maintained Raptors?!

Pffft, the raptor is just a toy, how long till we just launch missles at everything?

Unmaned planes are here, its the next step. We are eliminating the need to have fighter jets and bombers.

Far-N-Wide · Post by **Far-N-Wide** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:28 pm

Gixxer wrote:i think you are too confident in your pilots ... i have not read or heard anything about them being good let alone the best ... any info to read?

US pilots set standards for other contries to follow period

As far as how good they are, google Willian Tell and Red Flag. These are two USAF training events. Used by US and NATO pilots (includes you Canadian). Alot of cash and training is spent on these Pilots each year. Before most US fighter pilots even get assigned to their 1st squadron.

I've heard that about 2 years and 1 million dollars are spent getting them that far. This figure is outdated, as it was a figure I heard nearly 20 years ago. Since I'm not a pilot, I could care less. I've heard it's closer to 4 or 10 mill, depending on what they fly. I am happy they do there job so well, when was the last time you heard about a plane getting shot down? I'm not talking about choppers, a plane? Nuff said.

Far-N-Wide · Post by **Far-N-Wide** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:30 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Pffft, the raptor is just a toy, how long till we just launch missles at everything?

Unmaned planes are here, its the next step. We are eliminating the need to have fighter jets and bombers.

Yup lots of pizzed off pilots are azzed up about this.

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:41 pm

Whoever said that the US doesn't have the best pilots has obviously never seen the blue angels in person!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:58 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:Whoever said that the US doesn't have the best pilots has obviously never seen the blue angels in person!

How many enemy aircrafts have they shot down?

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:28 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:How many enemy aircrafts have they shot down?

BURN!!!!!!!

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:33 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:How many enemy aircrafts have they shot down?

LMAO, are you serious? How many enemy pilots has the US as a whole shot down in the last 20 years? Let alone just a small section of our Navy.

Nope the enemy pilots would rather bury their planes then meet our pilots in the skies.

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:34 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:LMAO, are you serious? How many enemy pilots has the US as a whole shot down in the last 20 years? Let alone just a small section of our Navy.

Nope the enemy pilots would rather bury their planes then meet our pilots in the skies.

An A-10 Warthog dusted a fighter not too long ago.

That's like a crop duster downing a F-14.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:36 pm

"...who've just about ruined this planet because they're afraid someone might have a bigger dick out there somewhere. Men are basically insecure about the size of their dicks and so they go to war over it. You don't have to be a political scientist or a history major to see the bigger dick foreign policy theory at work. It goes something like this..."what they have bigger dicks? Bomb them!!!" And of course the bombs and the bullets and the rockets are all shaped like dicks. I don't understand that part of it, but it is part of the equation. " - George Carlin

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:39 pm

MadDoctor wrote:An A-10 Warthog dusted a fighter not too long ago.

That's like a crop duster downing a F-14.

Thats friggin awesome. SPeaking of the Tomcat...i still can't believe its been scrapped. Gonna miss seeing that bird!

MadDoctor · Post by **MadDoctor** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:41 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:"...who've just about ruined this planet because they're afraid someone might have a bigger dick

Obviously you haven't seen my tool. It looks like a miniature mushroom.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:51 pm

MadDoctor wrote:Obviously you haven't seen my tool.

Good, let's keep it that way.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:32 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:LMAO, are you serious? How many enemy pilots has the US as a whole shot down in the last 20 years? Let alone just a small section of our Navy.

Nope the enemy pilots would rather bury their planes then meet our pilots in the skies.

I meant just the blue angels and no I wasnt serious lol

RoscoPColtrane · Post by **RoscoPColtrane** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:52 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:I meant just the blue angels and no I wasnt serious lol

Gotcha. But seriously could you imagine the Angels actually going into combat?

the enemy would be like

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:23 pm

RoscoPColtrane wrote:

Gotcha. But seriously could you imagine the Angels actually going into combat?

the enemy would be like

Ya they crash into their own missles.

"Bad timing for a figure 8!"

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:12 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:How many enemy aircrafts have they shot down?

i am not sure because they dont even want to get off the ground when we are in the area, already knowing what will happen

Gixxer · Post by **Gixxer** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:13 am

RoscoPColtrane wrote:. SPeaking of the Tomcat...i still can't believe its been scrapped. Gonna miss seeing that bird!