6 charged with plot to kill Fort Dix soldiers

horsemen_ · Post by **horsemen_** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:18 am

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six men were arrested overnight after being accused of plotting an attack against Fort Dix in New Jersey, and federal charges were to be filed Tuesday, sources told CNN.
The six men were planning to use automatic weapons to shoot soldiers at the Army post, according to a federal law enforcement source and a senior government source.
The men, some of whom were related to each other, had been doing surveillance and planning "for a while," and they trained in the Poconos, according to the federal law enforcement source

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:25 am

Just watching that now! Insane!!

**Waits for the "Well, what an opportune time to put this "story" out" posts

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Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:39 am

Prey521 wrote:Just watching that now! Insane!!

**Waits for the "Well, what an opportune time to put this "story" out" posts **

From the story:

They played paintball and test-fired weapons, a law enforcement source said

Yep, sleeper cell....apparently they are from the arm of the 'All your base are belong to us' terrorist organization....instead of terrorizing civilians they go after a secured compound full of men with automatic weapons.....genius...pure genius I tell ya.

While authorities are glad to have arrested them, the individuals are "hardly hard core terrorists,"

I feel safer already....

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:41 am

Izzo wrote:apparently the from the arm of the 'All your base are belong to us' terrorist organization

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:26 am

Prey521 wrote:

Now the headline on CNN reads "Islamic Radicals"

guess "6 men arrested" wasn't flashy enough.

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:27 am

I think UOD works there..if not he's very close to that base

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:33 am

3 of them were here illegally and they were doing surveillance on the base! You may not feel safer, but I bet those troops there sure do!

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:35 am

Izzo wrote:Now the headline on CNN reads "Islamic Radicals"

guess "6 men arrested" wasn't flashy enough.

well they were islamic radicals... It appears according to many news sites they were from various islamic countries....so I don't understand the need to be "flashy" even if it was 2men or 1?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:38 am

Prey521 wrote:3 of them were here illegally and they were doing surveillance on the base! You may not feel safer, but I bet those troops there sure do!

oh noes....like real surveillance

......wtf were they gonna do against a friggin base of soldiers....puhleease.

and the troops feel safer? ...dude they're training to go to war...you'd think it'd make 'em ready

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:42 am

Izzo wrote:oh noes....like real surveillance ......wtf were they gonna do against a friggin base of soldiers....puhleease.

and the troops feel safer? ...dude they're training to go to war...you'd think it'd make 'em ready

well you have to think about it this way.. would be pretty bad to get it in your own base let alone trying to do the job with your own gun in your hand.

I don't understand the perception you give though? It doesn't make sense.. you make it sound as if its nothing important at all and has no meaning towards anything?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:56 am

Sava700 wrote:well you have to think about it this way.. would be pretty bad to get it in your own base let alone trying to do the job with your own gun in your hand.

I don't understand the perception you give though? It doesn't make sense.. you make it sound as if its nothing important at all and has no meaning towards anything?

......and paintball in the woods is the perfect training ground for such an endeavor....good grief.

It isn't important and it has no meaning at all. These were noob, terrorist-wannabes

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:59 am

Izzo wrote:oh noes....like real surveillance ......wtf were they gonna do against a friggin base of soldiers....puhleease.

and the troops feel safer? ...dude they're training to go to war...you'd think it'd make 'em ready

Are soldiers on base 24/7? Do you know how they were planning on carrying out their attack? I imagine that if a soldier is in his homebase in his homeland, his guard is not up, if at all, as it would be on an actual battlefield. Never mind, this is just a made up story, right?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:02 am

Izzo wrote:......and paintball in the woods is the perfect training ground for such an endeavor....good grief.

It isn't important and it has no meaning at all. These were noob, terrorist-wannabes

And your point is? That they should've been left alone to see how far they get? Wait, they were just playing around!! You're one obtuse dude.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:03 am

Prey521 wrote:Are soldiers on base 24/7? Do you know how they were planning on carrying out their attack? I imagine that if a soldier is in his homebase in his homeland, his guard is not up, if at all, as it would be on an actual battlefield. Never mind, this is just a made up story, right?

I would hope that the base is guarded...most usually are. Made up ?...no ...sensationalized ?......absolutely. Of course the target was in New York so it had to be a legit threat ....right? Did Rudy stop 'em all by himself ?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:04 am

Prey521 wrote:And your point is? That they should've been left alone to see how far they get? Wait, they were just playing around!! You're one obtuse dude.

you've been hangin' with GH too much methinks.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:09 am

LOL I imagine that you only go out at night, when big bro's satellite can't get a good fix on you.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:10 am

Prey521 wrote:LOL I imagine that you only go out at night, when big bro's satellite can't get a good fix on you.

that's the best you can muster?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:17 am

Izzo wrote:that's the best you can muster?

I've learned over time that arguing this topic with you is not worth it. You're convinced and set in your own delusional ways that the gubment should not be trusted in any way whatsoever.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:21 am

Prey521 wrote:I've learned over time that arguing this topic with you is not worth it. You're convinced and set in your own delusional ways that the gubment should not be trusted in any way whatsoever.

ahaha....then you don't comprehend very well.......seems to be a shared trait between you and GH....and my delusional ways???

I'm not the guy that thinks Bush is doing a good job

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:00 pm

Izzo wrote:
I'm not the guy that thinks Bush is doing a good job

I knew it LOL I knew Bush would be brought in sooner or later.. I'm sure all this news is to make him look better too right?

I knew this would turn into a political discussion one way or another cause its all made up

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:17 pm

Sava700 wrote:I knew it LOL I knew Bush would be brought in sooner or later.. I'm sure all this news is to make him look better too right?

I knew this would turn into a political discussion one way or another cause its all made up

Is GH rubbing off on you too? Where did i say it was a political manuever? Examine the context in which I used his name .....good gawd.

Some of you guys need to take reading comprehension again

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:20 pm

Play nice, boys. Someone tried to kill our troops at home.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:22 pm

Izzo wrote:Is GH rubbing off on you too? Where did i say it was a political manuever? Examine the context in which I used his name .....good gawd.

Some of you guys need to take reading comprehension again

everyone who disagrees with you either has been around me too much or has poor reading comprehension skills

can you do any better? a shame they capture these terrorists and our soldiers lives were saved but instead you go on attack why is that? be happy we saved some lives

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:23 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:everyone who disagrees with you either has been around me too much or has poor reading comprehension skills

birds of a feather

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:24 pm

david wrote:Play nice, boys. Someone tried to kill our troops at home.

I believe they were 'plotting' to do so. I don't recall reading that an actual attempt had been made on any lives.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:26 pm

Izzo wrote:I believe they were 'plotting' to do so. I don't recall reading that an actual attempt had been made on any lives.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/08/fortdi ... index.html

Lives were saved that is the end result

The federal government Monday charged six alleged "Islamic radicals" with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

The six were arrested Monday night, the U.S. attorney's office in New Jersey said in a written statement, and are expected to appear in U.S. District Court in Camden on Tuesday afternoon.

"Their alleged intention was to conduct an armed assault on the army base and to kill as many soldiers as possible," the office said.

Officials scheduled a news conference at 2:30 p.m. ET to discuss the case.

The White House said there is no suspected link to any international terrorist group.

A complaint filed in the case says one of the six used to deliver pizza to Fort Dix and knew it "like the palm of his hand."

One of the suspects was born in Jordan, another in Turkey, the attorney's office said. The rest are believed to be from the former Yugoslavia, "either U.S. citizens or living illegally in the United States."

An FBI official said three of the six are in the U.S. illegally.

A criminal complaint filed in federal court in New Jersey said a paid informant who infiltrated the group "consensually recorded" meetings.

An FBI official said six complaints are being filed.

One complaint names as the defendant Dritan Duka, and says he conspired with four others: Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, Eljvir Duka, Shain Duka and Serdar Tatar.

The sixth individual, named in an FBI affidavit accompanying that complaint, is Agron Abdullahu.

A complaint naming him as the defendant charges him with aiding and abetting the three Dukas, "who were then aliens illegally and unlawfully in the United States, to possess in and affecting commerce firearms."

The defendants did not immediately release statements or respond to the charges.

The complaint says the group "conducted firearms training in Gouldsboro, Pennsylvania." It also says Shnewer conducted surveillance at several U.S. military sites: Fort Dix and Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, and the U.S. Coast Guard building in Philadelphia.

"On or about November 28, 2006," Tatar acquired a map of Fort Dix, the complaint says.

The complaint alleges that Dritan Duka ordered four AK-47 Kalashnikov fully-automatic machine guns as well as M-16 firearms and handguns, and that Shnewer ordered an AK-47 Kalashnikov as well.

The complaint also mentions a second paid informant.

A law enforcement source told CNN the group played paintball and test-fired weapons as part of their training.

One of the sources said there is a video and an audiotape of the planning.

New Jersey State troopers and the FBI were involved in investigating and arresting the suspects.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said the six "are not being charged with being members of an international terrorism organization. At least at this point there is no evidence they received direction from international foreign terrorist organizations. However their involvement in weapons training, operational surveillance, and discussions about killing American military personnel warranted a strong law enforcement response."

While authorities are glad to have arrested them, the individuals are "hardly hard core terrorists," one law enforcement source said.

Another source said that while the allegations are "troubling," they are "not the type that made the hair on the back of your neck stand up."

Fort Dix is used to train members of the Army Reserve and National Guard for missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.

It was used in 1999 to house ethnic Albanian refugees from Kosovo, according to the Defense Department Web site.

tarpoon75 · Post by **tarpoon75** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:33 pm

The complaint alleges that Dritan Duka ordered four AK-47 Kalashnikov fully-automatic machine guns as well as M-16 firearms and handguns, and that Shnewer ordered an AK-47 Kalashnikov as well.

Where do you order fully-automatic AKs?

Indy · Post by **Indy** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:34 pm

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:53 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/08/fortdi ... index.html

Lives were saved that is the end result

more than likely.....yes..... which is why they were determined a threat ...watched...then arrested....I will not believe that this was some MAJOR AQ undertaking when it appears this was, at this point, a group of guys with a similar ethnic background that shared a value set that were attempting to perpetrate a crime...even the article has radicals in quotes??

training in the poconos?....paintball?....bringing a cd into a video store to have it done? ....they must be ghetto terrorists or somethin' cuz they weren't being funded like others have been....

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:00 pm

Izzo wrote:From the story:

Yep, sleeper cell....apparently they are from the arm of the 'All your base are belong to us' terrorist organization....instead of terrorizing civilians they go after a secured compound full of men with automatic weapons.....genius...pure genius I tell ya.

I feel safer already....

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:02 pm

Izzo wrote:more than likely.....yes..... which is why they were determined a threat ...watched...then arrested....I will not believe that this was some MAJOR AQ undertaking when it appears this was, at this point, a group of guys with a similar ethnic background that shared a value set that were attempting to perpetrate a crime...even the article has radicals in quotes??

training in the poconos?....paintball?....bringing a cd into a video store to have it done? ....they must be ghetto terrorists or somethin' cuz they weren't being funded like others have been....

what are you debating? that they are stupid? i agree with you

what the difference if it were funded from some major organization or just these 6 radicals? either way they were stopped

Sava700 · Post by **Sava700** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:30 pm

Izzo wrote:Is GH rubbing off on you too? Where did i say it was a political manuever? Examine the context in which I used his name .....good gawd.

Some of you guys need to take reading comprehension again

no..I don't keep up with GH's comments..but you didn't have to say anything directly pointing out that Bush had anything todo with anything.

But you mentioned Bush when you could have mentioned anybody at any givin time.

But since it was a act that was stopped and lives were saved on our own soil then I see it as a good thing not something to point out negative issues over. But none the less the discussion turned Political in a matter of minutes just like the Virginia tech discussion did, not just on this forum but hundreds of others.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:46 pm

Sava700 wrote:no..I don't keep up with GH's comments..but you didn't have to say anything directly pointing out that Bush had anything todo with anything.

But you mentioned Bush when you could have mentioned anybody at any givin time.

But since it was a act that was stopped and lives were saved on our own soil then I see it as a good thing not something to point out negative issues over. But none the less the discussion turned Political in a matter of minutes just like the Virginia tech discussion did, not just on this forum but hundreds of others.

you're still waaaaaay off base....but kinda getting closer......you turned it political by claiming that I was doing it by using Bush's name to prove that Prey is delusional (not like we need proof.. anyway)....you again misunderstood and continue to do so which perpetuates this ridiculous ZOMGTERROR! thread........yes... glad people weren't harmed ..ya ya ....if you guys need further help my beef is with the media for sensationalizing the event and changing their headline....

David · Post by **David** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:49 pm

Indy wrote:Apparently, from undercover law enforcement officers...

From what I heard, it was from an arms dealer who found a little bit of religion.

chevyman282 · Post by **chevyman282** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:16 pm

Well, If Islamic or Christian extremist they were stopped before any lives were lost..That should be the main point..Remember VT........

I do have my doubts about the informer, maybe he spiced up the truth a little?. It has happened before.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:31 pm

Avoiding potential tragedy = Good
Not being able to shut piehole = Bad

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:56 pm

Glad they caught them. I just wish they were all that dumb.

Izzo, are you going to concede that it was a good thing they were caught no matter how stupid they were? I am not asking whether it was a "signifigant" bust that was going to save thousands of lives and help get information towards the higher ups in any organization. Just was it a good thing these six yahoos were caught?

I admit it was a pretty weak plan, but no matter what, it IS a good thing they were caught. Saving one soldiers life (or from getting injured) is a good thing IMO

Also, chances are they probably would have wound up shooting a wife, kid, or janitor rather than just soldiers. At least they were targeting soldiers compared to just civies the way most terrorists do. Not saying it was good guys obviously, but better targeting Ft Dix than Washington elementary school or whatever is nearby

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Tue May 08, 2007 3:14 pm

De Plano wrote:Glad they caught them. I just wish they were all that dumb.

Izzo, are you going to concede that it was a good thing they were caught no matter how stupid they were? I am not asking whether it was a "signifigant" bust that was going to save thousands of lives and help get information towards the higher ups in any organization. Just was it a good thing these six yahoos were caught?

I admit it was a pretty weak plan, but no matter what, it IS a good thing they were caught. Saving one soldiers life (or from getting injured) is a good thing IMO

that was never the issue with me in the first place....i mean ...we could play 'what-if's' all day long about this .....my contention is that it really wasn't a credible threat to begin with and the media sensationalized it for whatever reasons

I do kinda have this gut feeling that the next step in terrorism for AQ and the like will be sort of like this though.....a few guys with weapons that show up at a mall, movie theater, office building ...even in a neighborhood street and just start gunning people down until thery get taken out.....honestly i'm surprised we aren't seeing it now.....

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:07 pm

I suppose records of their cable bill will show they were avid fans of Showtime's- "Sleeper Cell"..

if they really had wanted to kill some troops, they would have..AK-47's etc..
There was something else there they wanted..sounds more like a top-secret heist gone bad...

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:10 pm

david wrote:From what I heard, it was from an arms dealer who found a little bit of religion.

how did he find his religion? thru His own inner self, or thru the barrel of a govt. agent?