LinkBEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A diplomatic firestorm raged Wednesday after four U.N. observers died in southern Lebanon in what the U.N. chief said was an "apparently deliberate" Israeli airstrike.
Israel angrily denied the accusation.
The U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon initially reported that two peacekeepers were dead and two missing but early Wednesday confirmed that all four were killed in the late Tuesday strike
The observers were Austrian, Finnish, Canadian and Chinese, Lebanese security sources said.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply distressed" by the "apparently deliberate" strike.
"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long-established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," he said in a statement.
Well, Israel Knows How To Deal W/ The UN
Well, Israel Knows How To Deal W/ The UN
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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Kip Patterson wrote:Yes, just like they dealt with the USS Liberty.
Time for the US to stop supporting Israel.
amen, brother.
it has nothing to do with bigotry or disdain for jews at all. IMO, we set our future troubles in motion the moment we (the US and allied consortium) politically muscled israel into existance in some of the holiest/most significant property in the world to more than one religious group. and i'm sure the US supplying the F16s and other military hardware used in beating down the displaced masses as well as monetary support along the timeline hasnt gone unnoticed either. fuel to the fire i say.
the first step in fixing our standing in the middle east starts with us getting our hands out of israel's panties. and out of everyone else's panties in that neck of the woods.
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Grouch wrote:Israel should just take out Syria and Iran since they are the ones behind the terrorists. I say nuke them it will save lives in the end.
Then the rest of the Arab world will retaliate against Israel ...forcing us to defend them also ...which would turn into WWIII....if it hasn't started already.
Izzo wrote:Then the rest of the Arab world will retaliate against Israel ...forcing us to defend them also ...which would turn into WWIII....if it hasn't started already.
Which Arabs? I do not understand why people are so afraid, have some backbone.
Once you take out Iran and Syria, it will show the rest of the world do not mess with Israel.
Just like the US did in Japan.
It helped to bring WW2 to an end a lot faster.
OMG you are so freaking right...after WW2 no one would ever mess with the US again...I mean I can't think of any other country or group messing with the US after WW2...can anyone else???Grouch wrote:Which Arabs? I do not understand why people are so afraid, have some backbone.
Once you take out Iran and Syria, it will show the rest of the world do not mess with Israel.
Just like the US did in Japan.
It helped to bring WW2 to an end a lot faster.
"There is a big difference between breaking the law and having a law designed to break you. We will not be broken." -- Jinny Simms
"On the street everything is legal! I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in 2 eyes for an eye." -- Bas Rutten
"On the street everything is legal! I don't believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in 2 eyes for an eye." -- Bas Rutten
after Pearl Harbor up until 9-11 when was the last time US got an attack on its on soil?*cho* wrote:OMG you are so freaking right...after WW2 no one would ever mess with the US again...I mean I can't think of any other country or group messing with the US after WW2...can anyone else???
9-11 happened because powers that be thought no one would dare to attack to the US.
Underestimating the enemy is worst mistake in military strategy.
For Israel's sake they need to stand strong and not give up until all the terrorists are dead if that means they need to take out Syria and Iran so be it. They need to do what they have to with or without the help of US. They are fine without US help, if their arms are not tied behind their back like they are now. They should be demolishing wherever they attack and not drop leaflets to warn people. That is the worst mistake. When was the last time leaflets were dropped right before a terrorist bomb was dropped?
So you're advocating genocide.Grouch wrote:after Pearl Harbor up until 9-11 when was the last time US got an attack on its on soil?
9-11 happened because powers that be thought no one would dare to attack to the US.
Underestimating the enemy is worst mistake in military strategy.
For Israel's sake they need to stand strong and not give up until all the terrorists are dead if that means they need to take out Syria and Iran so be it. They need to do what they have to with or without the help of US. They are fine without US help, if their arms are not tied behind their back like they are now. They should be demolishing wherever they attack and not drop leaflets to warn people. That is the worst mistake. When was the last time leaflets were dropped right before a terrorist bomb was dropped?
Your opinion from here on out has become invalid. Anyone who holds such a sociopathic stance has no ability to rationally speak on how to deal with people.
So trade that typical for something colorful, and if it's crazy live a little crazy!
Paft wrote:So you're advocating genocide.
Your opinion from here on out has become invalid. Anyone who holds such a sociopathic stance has no ability to rationally speak on how to deal with people.
what is your definition of genocide?
When you have a war you must fight to win. Otherwise it comes back to bite you at the end.
You're advocating that Israel needs to go in and destroy everyone in their path, by your statement, "They should be demolishing wherever they attack and not drop leaflets to warn people." If Israel was to do this, they would be destroying an entire political and ethnic group, as they would be hunting down and killing all Palestinians (or as you say, "terrorists").Grouch wrote:what is your definition of genocide?
When you have a war you must fight to win. Otherwise it comes back to bite you at the end.
This is genocide.
So trade that typical for something colorful, and if it's crazy live a little crazy!
Paft wrote:You're advocating that Israel needs to go in and destroy everyone in their path, by your statement, "They should be demolishing wherever they attack and not drop leaflets to warn people." If Israel was to do this, they would be destroying an entire political and ethnic group, as they would be hunting down and killing all Palestinians (or as you say, "terrorists").
This is genocide.
That is not genocide. Genocide is wiping out an entire ethnic or religious race like arabs.
We are just talking destroying Syria and Iran, nations that are full of terrorists and support terrorist activites.
Genocide would be killing and destroying all arab nations just becuase they are arabs nations.
Big difference. Israel is defending itself against the constant attacks on a daily basis for years. Defending yourself against your enemies is not genocide. It is not Israel's fault that terrorists and terrorist governments such as Syria and Iran like to use their own civilians as shields for propaganda.
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Grouch wrote:Thanks have a nice day!
But I do disagree that the truth is different from one's perspective. There is no such idea of absolute truth. So how can one distort what is true from a different perspective?
The truth of the matter is neither side is innocent in this conflict and you're convinced that Israel is defending itself and convinced that the only ..ahem solution is to wipe out Syria and Iran......seems pretty friggin distorted to me.
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lol. The difference between WWII and now is that more people have nukes, so trying that isn't going to do anything but spur up a nuke war. Also, considering how intelligent Arabs were at one time, it would be good to keep them around to see if they jump back into science, at some point. I was born in Egypt, lived in the States my whole life and love it here; but I don't think nuking two countries based on hypothetical or incomplete information makes any sense.
Where do you suggest the people from the country of Israel be put then?Paft wrote:As I have said before: Dissolve Israel. Peace will come quickly after that.
Imo its in Americas best interest to arm and stand behind Israel at all costs. They are after all fighting the terrorist orginizations that will be Americas enemys it seems for quite awhile.
She's presenting like a mandrill!
That's no better than "nukin' all dem towelheads off da map."Paft wrote:As I have said before: Dissolve Israel. Peace will come quickly after that.
Humans are unable to broker peace, especially when conflict is fomented by staged events on both sides.
Trouble will never end in that region, but we have the Son of Perdition to look toward to finally make the peace, right?
The people from Israel need to be moved. Be it to America, any given Europian nation, or any other nation.. so long as they aren't around to participate in the problem, then there's no reason why there will be a problem. I don't have the answers.. just an idea that makes sense.64bit wrote:Where do you suggest the people from the country of Israel be put then?
Imo its in Americas best interest to arm and stand behind Israel at all costs. They are after all fighting the terrorist orginizations that will be Americas enemys it seems for quite awhile.
You said it yourself. Humans are unable to broker peace. And just like you do in kindergarten when two kids are fighting, you have to break them up and give them space. Since it's utterly impossible to break up as many Arab nations as are in the Middle East, Israel becomes the target for a breakup. Seperate the warring sides and the war ceases to be able to happen.Burke wrote:That's no better than "nukin' all dem towelheads off da map."
Humans are unable to broker peace, especially when conflict is fomented by staged events on both sides.
Trouble will never end in that region, but we have the Son of Perdition to look toward to finally make the peace, right?
As for "Son of Perdition".. your statement would have been just fine without the attack. (Says the hypocrate.)
So trade that typical for something colorful, and if it's crazy live a little crazy!
The creation of Israel is why there are "terrorist" organizations (arab). We cannot undo the mistake of creating Israel, but we must make some concessions to Arab interests in the Middle East.64bit wrote:Where do you suggest the people from the country of Israel be put then?
Imo its in Americas best interest to arm and stand behind Israel at all costs. They are after all fighting the terrorist orginizations that will be Americas enemys it seems for quite awhile.
Otherwise this will never stop. Why should Palestinians be second class citizens
so Israel can exist?
Feelings about religion: I believe in a dogma-free personal Prime Mover.
When I hear a call for Israelis to be uprooted and cast off into the world, I get a Trail of Tears vibe, and surely that can't be a useful solution.Paft wrote:The people from Israel need to be moved. Be it to America, any given Europian nation, or any other nation.. so long as they aren't around to participate in the problem, then there's no reason why there will be a problem. I don't have the answers.. just an idea that makes sense.
You said it yourself. Humans are unable to broker peace. And just like you do in kindergarten when two kids are fighting, you have to break them up and give them space. Since it's utterly impossible to break up as many Arab nations as are in the Middle East, Israel becomes the target for a breakup. Seperate the warring sides and the war ceases to be able to happen.
As for "Son of Perdition".. your statement would have been just fine without the attack. (Says the hypocrate.)
When you separate scrapping kids in kindergarten, you do just that: separate. You don't let one kid play where he wants and let the other stew on the other side of the room, else you inflame him further and provoke future retaliation. A lack of proximity does not magically negate enmity. 9/11 proves that.
My reference to the Son of Perdition was not an attack on you. It was a reference to the prophesied manner in which he will make peace and be called Christ by the world, when he is not, and how people will rejoice at how peace has been achieved.