Ghosthunter wrote:I am actually tired of political threads in general...it same old over and over again...but this should never have turned into politics.
GH,
What sells newpapers better than sex and controversy? ALL the news sources have politicians chiming in with their valueless opinions. Should it be no surprise that some folk here might tread too close to the aforementioned fire. Bah, let this piece of crap rot in Hell....
BTW, did you see the cover of today NY Post? ("Warm up the virgins")
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What sells newpapers better than sex and controversy? ALL the news sources have politicians chiming in with their valueless opinions. Should it be no surprise that some folk here might tread too close to the aforementioned fire. Bah, let this piece of crap rot in Hell....
BTW, did you see the cover of today NY Post? ("Warm up the virgins")
A series of U.S. military raids based on intelligence gathered from the destroyed hideout of terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have yielded at least two dozen captives and a hidden cache of weaponry, Iraqi army uniforms and other materials, a senior U.S. military spokesman said Friday.
Caldwell also said the man he thinks is a possible successor to Zarqawi as leader of the shadowy terrorist group known as al-Qaidi in Iraq has been operating in Iraq longer than Zarqawi and that the two first met in Afghanistan. He was referring to Abu Ayyub al-Masri, whom he described as an Egyptian-born terrorist leader.
He said al-Masri has had "communications" with Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri. He did not elaborate and would not say whether al-Masri also has been in touch with bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding in Pakistan.
Also......
The spokesman also provided a revised accounting of the dead. He said the six people killed in the airstrike included three women. On Thursday U.S. officials had said one woman and one child were among the dead. Caldwell said Friday the latest information available to him gave no indication that a child was killed.
Like i said DH it could be like the old "If you could go back in time and kill Hitler scenario" who may be taking this guys place might be more bloodthirsty and more intelligent. Lets hope not , but Zarqawi was definitly not of the highest caliber compared to some of these other guys. If one of those dudes from Al Ansar Sunnah step up to the plate , they go around beheading several people at a time! Those guys are way out there.
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bigmo66 wrote:...and Bush is intentionally prolonging the war so he can get these "'attaboys" once in a while.
He still has to get gasoline back to $1, stop global warming, cure AIDS, approve gay marriage, spank nasty capitalists, abolish God in every facet of humanity, give unfair tax advantages to those not willing to lift a finger & then hang himself.
Where do I sign the petition to get the ball rolling on this?
Feelings about religion: I believe in a dogma-free personal Prime Mover.
Sad the woman and child were harmed but if the woman was harboring a know villain she deserved one of those 500lb bombs herself. And with a 25m bounty on Z's head she must have been his wife or lover or something. Now I know if it were my ex wife (on a good day) she would have turned me in to the authorities for a mere 25 bucks.
Doesn't this simply mean that a really bad guy was taken out and that the Free World and those struggling to be Free should be Thankful for that.
What possible connection could there be to politics and to suggest so is to lessen what has happened. They simply got lucky and for that we are all better off today than we where yesterday and we will have to deal with tomorrow when the sun comes up once again.
A lot of good Men & Women are taking the ultimate risk to help keep us safe from these animals and we should rejoice in their Victories and stand hopeful there are many more to come.
Lets be Thankful for whatever Blessings come to us and focus on the Enemy outside, not the supposed ones within imho.
Very well orchestrated propaganda from day one. He was used.
Do yourselves a favor and find out just how this dude rose to power.
He wasn't really, and never was, a significant leader, but was portrayed as such for propaganda reasons. His death will not affect much at all, but the media and a certain disrespectfull, shameless government want us all to think old lies are true.
And if anyone comes back telling me I am sticking up for this dude, take a course in comprehension 101.
Propaganda works both ways Norm and he was used to buoy the actions of these murdering bastards and was prominent in recruiting like minded people to follow him.
There is also the fact that those left perhaps will wonder when their time may come and who amongst them may turn them in.
Thinking there are Enemies in their own ranks will have a corrosive effect, especially in communications amongst themselves, which can do nothing but slow down their operations imho.
Anytime a leader is taken out there is a natural vacuum left in the link. Yes it will be filled but for the moment a small victory has been achieved imho.
The attacks will continue and no the war against terrorism has not been won, but a small dent has been made and imho that is important.
If nothing else it acts as a well deserved pat on the back to those involved who are putting out so much under less than ideal conditions. Even small Victories are encouraging in times like that.
In many quarters i'm not so sure that his demise is not seen as a very large Victory in their eyes.
I agree, though no genius he was a vicious bastard and the world is a better place without him.
Im not gonna make a seperate post since this is the same opic..Just read this news report from Forbes. Any thoughts??
Iraqi Raises Questions on al-Zarqawi Death
By PATRICK QUINN , 06.10.2006, 11:14 AM
U.S. officials have altered their account of the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, saying he was alive and partly conscious after bombs destroyed his hideout, and an Iraqi man raised fresh questions Saturday about the events surrounding the end of Iraq's most-wanted militant.
The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, claimed in an interview with AP Television News to have seen U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the man's nose.
When asked about the man's allegations, military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said he would check. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Jeffrey Gordon said Saturday he was unaware of the claim.
The Iraqi, identified as Mohammed Ahmed, claimed that residents put the man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. The American military team then pulled the man from the ambulance and beat him, Ahmed said. He gave a similar account to The Washington Post.
Is he trying to say that they beat him to death and bombed afterwards or it was just someone who looked like Zarqawi?
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Well since the witness claimed that they had put him in an ambulance first...I'd say it was after the bombing.
However....I really doubt the story. Don't you think that ground troops would probably have been first on the scene, securing the area?
After all........this witness or someone had time to call an ambulance, wait for it to show up, load Zarqawi and after all that time had expired, the military shows up after the US had planed the attack?
downhill wrote:However....I really doubt the story. Don't you think that ground troops would probably have been first on the scene, securing the area?
After all........this witness or someone had time to call an ambulance, wait for it to show up, load Zarqawi and after all that time had expired, the military shows up after the US had planed the attack?
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They came after the bombing it seems.
Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said they had a patrol in the area already.
"We didn't know it was Zarqawi, we just knew it was a time-sensitive target," he said at the scene early Saturday. "We suspected who it was
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Izzo wrote:Look at his face ...he wasn't beaten ...the way the troops would have worked him over it woulda like hamburger ....
Yeah I saw, but Im surprised he even lived through 2 500lb bombs long enough to talk. It just struck me as strange plus now this guy saying they wrapped his head in a robe and beat him. He should have been hamburger just from the bombs alone.
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Hello SG, still alive over here after three years, let me get to why I signed in and let everybody know I am doing well.
I have been following this post since I got back in everybody brings up good points and ideas.
First off I would like to say this is just my observations and judgment from being here since 03. It was very friendly and everybody loved us here and was happy to be free from the oppressed. During that time they learned what satellite TV was, cell phones, the influx of cars drastically grew.
All of this was due to freeing them from the oppressor, now I know many of you will ask was they really oppressed. This is just my observation and thoughts on it. I have spoken and made good friends with many Iraqi's that spent time in Abu Gharib Prison under Sadam's rule. I am able to identify them immediately, there ears are cut on the upper lobe at an angle or they have tattoos on there hands. Once you get them to talk and they show the scars they obtained from being there under his rule it is very disturbing even to me no more explanation needed there.
Back to the point, everybody blames politics or religion. Those two items will never mix ever. I am not trying to be rude or objective to anybody at all. Since the beginning of time there has always been religion and wars; why one asks we can get many interpretations of why but it boils down to human kind will and always hate one certain group. Perfect example Republicans and Democrats nobody will and never come to a certain agreement on who is better so there is bickering between the two parties.
April 2004 things really changed over here, and I predicted it before that it was a burning powder keg ready to explode.
You will ask why, well the influx of Iranian's was dramatic during that time. I am not saying there religion is wrong or there belief's.
My wife who is Iraqi came back the other day telling me how many Iranians was in getting an Iraqi ID card and they was being allowed to get it. One thing is Iraqis do not like Iran at all because of there belief's.
All Iraqi’s want to be free and have there way of living but they are being forced to whabbism if you do not know what that is I recommend that you read about it. I will not expand on it as it goes back to religion.
Now I can get to the media, do they cover how many Iraqi’s are being killed everyday from within due to religion. Because they want to have freedom not to wear the dishdash “religion custom wear”. Just the other day here a group of men was killed because they were wearing shorts out shopping, and they were training to join the Iraqi Olympic team.
Women now can not wear pants, shorts, drive a car, or show there hair if they do they will be killed by certain groups.
Everybody is asking if Zarqawi will be replaced he already had his replacements on the ground, Ansar Al Sunnah and the Al Shurra Council as he knew his days were getting short.
Ansar Al Sunnah just made a beheading video and posted it for all to see so that the world will know it is not over.
Minir you hit it right on the head saying everybody should be happy because the men and women put there life’s on the line just to get a big fish in the pond of many.
Why did we use 2x500 HE rounds to take out one big fish? What the media does not cover is that every safe house he has there are always immediate exits and tunnels for him to get away.
Sorry for carrying on and it probably does not make sense as I am decompressing, all I want to say is cant we all get along.
PS, MadDoc a few of your friends here say stay away form the puppies.
