Are we being any better then them?

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:43 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:https://www.speedguide.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=183577 ?

No in another thread he made a comment about that the FBI probably had a reason for tapping my line. It was in another thread about Iran or something to do with the Mideast

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:20 pm

thepieman wrote:No in another thread he made a comment about that the FBI probably had a reason for tapping my line. It was in another thread about Iran or something to do with the Mideast

That sounds a lot different than the way you are talking about his wife, jsut saying that.

You tend to argue very passionately at times.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:23 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:That sounds a lot different than the way you are talking about his wife, jsut saying that.

You tend to argue very passionately at times.

I never once said anything bad about his wife. I don't even know her.

I speak passionately about this because its a very passionate subject. If you don't find any of this stuff thats going on in the world to be disturbing I dunno what to say.

Pie

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:35 pm

thepieman wrote:I never once said anything bad about his wife. I don't even know her.

I speak passionately about this because its a very passionate subject. If you don't find any of this stuff thats going on in the world to be disturbing I dunno what to say.

Pie

Marriage = wife

ya so talk passionately about the politics, no need to go to attacking family.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:18 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Marriage = wife

ya so talk passionately about the politics, no need to go to attacking family.

Listen Yard, if he is questioning my ethics because of a website that I go to and attacking me, then be prepared to have his own ethics questioned. When he makes threads about how to hide hickeys that he got from strippers (Which I never looked down upon him for doing at the time) from his wife and then says something about what I do as though he's thumbing his nose down on me then be prepared to have a clean slate before you do so.
If you want to say that talking about his infidelity is the same as talking about his wife, then fine..I talked about his wife.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:11 pm

pie,

for one i never mentioned the word american jew or my faith at all in this thread it at all. You bring in a topic from a different thread from over a month ago which was a totally different subject at the time.

you also keep bringing stuff up from lets almost 8 months ago like with me going to a strip club? can you get over it already and move on. You get very heated in debates and start to attack me personally, I been trying to better myself by not resorting to that but it not easy I admit that and for the last time i never cheated on my wife, now stop bringing up my marriage.

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:45 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:where did i say anything like that? But one thing be nice is to see muslims actually speak out against terrorist organizations you very rarely if ever hear them in the news.

Oh God. Please think before you post. Please. Or better yet, please go work or something and get off of the internet. Wow, just wow. If people like you are the 32% that still support our president, then we really are effed.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:05 pm

Mehmet wrote:Oh God. Please think before you post. Please. Or better yet, please go work or something and get off of the internet. Wow, just wow. If people like you are the 32% that still support our president, then we really are effed.

might as well ask Osama to turn himself in as you'd have better odds

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:29 pm

Mehmet wrote: Please think before you post. Please. Or better yet, please go work or something and get off of the internet. Wow, just wow. If people like you are the 32% that still support our president, then we really are effed.

I actually dont fully support our President..i just dont blame him for everything that goes wrong in the world.

At least our president is doing something about terrorism unlike previous ones. I still think he should be doing more by making sure Islamic terrorists dont get over here.

If Guliani gets into office in 2008 which I am hoping...those terrorists are going to be running scared...You want to see a President who truly beleives in what he is doing and a man on fire? Guliani will be it..

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:01 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:I actually dont fully support our President..i just dont blame him for everything that goes wrong in the world.

At least our president is doing something about terrorism unlike previous ones. I still think he should be doing more by making sure Islamic terrorists dont get over here.

If Guliani gets into office in 2008 which I am hoping...those terrorists are going to be running scared...You want to see a President who truly beleives in what he is doing and a man on fire? Guliani will be it..

You missed my point entirely. Go re-read what I quoted and take note to what I bolded.

Yes because Islam is our biggest enemy. Might as well report me to the NSA too while you are at it as I may have run a red light last week. Oh wait, chances are they already know about that.

I am assuming you are basing your support for Guliani because of what he did in 94 to reduce NYC crime. Do you know what he ACTUALLY did?

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:22 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Marriage = wife

ya so talk passionately about the politics, no need to go to attacking family.

i didnt wanna enter this thread BUT i dont think pieman is a guy who is gonna flame/insult/attack anyone here and especially SG family members
just my 2 cents

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:25 pm

Mehmet wrote:I am assuming you are basing your support for Guliani because of what he did in 94 to reduce NYC crime. Do you know what he ACTUALLY did?

He went after the Italian mob and pushed them out of NY and into jersey,to make room for the russian mob to come into NY. He also helped his wife out by getting rid of Mob-controlled Carting Monopoly in favor of overpriced companies like Waste Management which his wife was a part of . Hes a shiester just as much as the rest and to boot hes a former lawyer even worse. The only good thing he did was show his mug on TV during 9-11 and thats what made him popular, as before that, people were dying to get rid of him here. That was his face saving moment of fame that made people forget what a piece of work he was. On top of that he was having an affair behind his wifes back to boot.

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:33 pm

thepieman wrote:He went after the Italian mob and pushed them out of NY and into jersey,to make room for the russian mob to come into NY. He also helped his wife out by getting rid of Mob-controlled Carting Monopoly in favor of overpriced companies like Waste Management which his wife was a part of . Hes a shiester just as much as the rest and to boot hes a former lawyer even worse. The only good thing he did was show his mug on TV during 9-11 and thats what made him popular, as before that, people were dying to get rid of him here. That was his face saving moment of fame that made people forget what a piece of work he was. On top of that he was having an affair behind his wifes back to boot.

well, nicely put, I guess. I was going to say something else that I read in Gladwell's book "The Tipping Point" but I no longer think it is necessary.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:59 pm

Mehmet wrote:well, nicely put, I guess. I was going to say something else that I read in Gladwell's book "The Tipping Point" but I no longer think it is necessary.

I know this is off topic but probably best mayor of NY and probably a good choice for Candidate if he wasn't up there in age was Ed Koch. He's more of a people person then most of them.

Pie

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:13 pm

thepieman wrote:He went after the Italian mob and pushed them out of NY and into jersey,to make room for the russian mob to come into NY. He also helped his wife out by getting rid of Mob-controlled Carting Monopoly in favor of overpriced companies like Waste Management which his wife was a part of . Hes a shiester just as much as the rest and to boot hes a former lawyer even worse. The only good thing he did was show his mug on TV during 9-11 and thats what made him popular, as before that, people were dying to get rid of him here. That was his face saving moment of fame that made people forget what a piece of work he was. On top of that he was having an affair behind his wifes back to boot.

oh stop complaining...Gualini was the best mayor ever in NYC history..he did more for the city and followed up on his promises moreso then any other Mayor in our history.

He literally changed this city around, cleaned up Times Square..look at it today compared to 20 years ago..and crime especially murder rate is remarkably low compared to say David Dinkins was mayor. The Italian mob is virtually nonexistant compared to what it was 20 years ago..with help of Rudy...please dont say he helped the Russian mob...that is ludicrous. He was one of the best DA NYC ever had.

His fame had nothing to do with 9-11 for New Yorkers...when he left Mayor I know many people who were truly sad and since when do you care about affairs when you support clinton..give me a break

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:14 pm

Mehmet wrote:You missed my point entirely. Go re-read what I quoted and take note to what I bolded.

Yes because Islam is our biggest enemy. Might as well report me to the NSA too while you are at it as I may have run a red light last week. Oh wait, chances are they already know about that.

I am assuming you are basing your support for Guliani because of what he did in 94 to reduce NYC crime. Do you know what he ACTUALLY did?

Islamic terrorism and self hating US liberals are our biggest enemy to the US

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:19 pm

thepieman wrote:I know this is off topic but probably best mayor of NY and probably a good choice for Candidate if he wasn't up there in age was Ed Koch. He's more of a people person then most of them.

Pie

wow i am shocked to hear you say that Ed Koch is one of the most Pro Isreal Mayors we ever had. I wouldnt mind Koch at all..he even supports us invading and defeating Iran.

here a recent editorial from Koch..he would have my vote for President:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... of_ir.html

We can be certain that the same groups and individuals who blame the President for launching a war against Iraq will expand their efforts to include in their opposition any preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear bomb capability. War was launched against Saddam Hussein by the U.S. and Great Britain in March 2003 after the U.N. Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 1441, warning Iraq that unless it accounted for and destroyed its weapons of mass destruction, it would be a cause for war. The resolution stated "Iraq has been and remains in material breach," referring to an earlier Resolution 687 requiring it to disarm and assist UN agencies, etc. Finally, 1441 "warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations." That is UN language referring to the use of military force.

We had every right to go to war to protect the people of the U.S. from being the victims of an attack by Iraq using WMD. That Saddam's own generals believed Iraq had WMD and found to their amazement and distress that they did not, three months before the war began (reported by The Times) -- the generals expected to use them -- reinforces the reasonableness of world leaders like Bush and Blair acting upon the information provided by their respective intelligence agencies. The intelligence agencies, we later learned, were wrong in their assessment and advice. But the leaders of the U.S. and Great Britain were correct in relying on the advice -- "a slam dunk" was the description used by Director of the CIA, George Tenet.

Those who opposed the war against Iraq and who will oppose a preemptive strike in an effort to destroy Iran's nuclear bomb facilities are as concerned about our country and its future as those of us who want to make certain by taking military action that the country's future is assured. But in the opposition's ranks there are the usual crazies, pacifists, dreamers and self-haters of the U.S. who believe we are evil in aspirations and actions and our opponents are virtuous and worthy of support, whoever they may be.

Senator John McCain put it succinctly, "There's only one thing worse than the United States exercising the military option, that is, a nuclear-armed Iran."

Because I believe that Iran is our most dangerous enemy, and most analysts expressing an opinion believe that, I also believe we should leave Iraq. We have done what we originally sought to do: we have deposed Saddam Hussein, permitted the Iraqi people to elect a new government and adopt democracy for their governance. While they continue to be harassed by terrorists and insurrectionists and civil war, it is not our obligation to continue to stay and suffer casualties. Further, because of our newest and greater danger -- war with Iran being imminent -- we cannot afford being bogged down in Iraq exposing our armies there to assault by Iranian forces. However, if our NATO allies and our regional allies now agree to come in and sacrifice their young men and women on the fields of combat and are willing to share the costs with us, we should stay and do our share. If they will not choose to come in now, President Bush should put them on notice that we will start our withdrawal by July 4th of this year.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:20 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:Islamic terrorism and self hating US liberals are our biggest enemy to the US

Islamic terrorists haven't killed any of our freedoms or imposed any civil restrictions upon our society.

BTW Pie, in case you missed it, the Marines are now being charged with murder.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:44 pm

UOD wrote:Islamic terrorists haven't killed any of our freedoms or imposed any civil restrictions upon our society.

well if there was no islamic terrorism to begin with we would not be debating this issue would we?

which freedoms?

Very few that I have encountered and just basic inconvenience..like showing a license

what the point of freedom if 9-11 happens again and worst? If you ask those who died on 9-11 if they wouldnt mind a few inconviences to get their life back think they would say sure? well we dont know since their dead.

I say again what is more important minor inconviences or human lives? I will take human lives over losing some so called freedoms that I never really lost.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:07 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:well if there was no islamic terrorism to begin with we would not be debating this issue would we?

which freedoms?

Very few that I have encountered and just basic inconvenience..like showing a license

what the point of freedom if 9-11 happens again and worst? If you ask those who died on 9-11 if they wouldnt mind a few inconviences to get their life back think they would say sure? well we dont know since their dead.

I say again what is more important minor inconviences or human lives? I will take human lives over losing some so called freedoms that I never really lost.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:16 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:Islamic terrorism and self hating US liberals are our biggest enemy to the US

Or people who hate other Americans because of their political persuasion.

Dude, you read too much Ann Coulter.

I'd also like to add that indeed you call out others because of what you preceive as general statements, then you make this one.

Good grief..

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:18 pm

downhill wrote:Or people who hate other Americans because of their political persuasion.

Dude, you read too much Ann Coulter.

I'd also like to add that indeed you call out others because of what you preceive as general statements, then you make this one.

Good grief..

dont even know anything about Ann coulter...never read or heard anything from her...

what general statment? that islamic terrorism and self hating liberals? why are you insulted unless you are a self hating liberal? LOL

P.S. if you ask Koch he would agree with me..LOL

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:23 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:dont even know anything about Ann coulter...never read or heard anything from her...

what general statment? that islamic terrorism and self hating liberals? why are you insulted unless you are a self hating liberal? LOL

There you go again.

GH, I'm confident in this statement that I belive you to be a major believer in the new day McCarthyism. Congrats for being duped, dude.

Communism is all but dead so the far right wing needs someone to bitch about. It WAS liberalism, but since 9-11, it's now Islam. They still twist and turn about liberalism, but only to convince people that THEY are better at protecting us. So far that's a HUGE fallacy.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:29 pm

and who helped to bring communism down?

it wasnt the liberal dems that for sure.

I never said Islam itself I said Islamic terrorists...there is a huge difference

I think dems are just panicking after thinkinng they would have a shoe in in other night election in california..

I cant wait for 2008..going to be a fun presidential election

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:46 pm

A big secret for you, GH. Communism isn't dead. However it's dying, due to captialism and it's own inherent flaws.

Now, I'm also going to let you in on something else. In no way shape or form, am I going to go "out" of my way to inflame the topics I post in by adding the same type of euphemisms that you do. They serve no other purpose other than for you to get your jollies off by seeing if you can elect a response from other members. I'll have say that it does work for you here.

Remember the next time you use "general statements" that you indeed do that yourself.

Oh yeah, what was the topic again?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:51 pm

First you say communism is dead then you say it isnt...which is it?

you keep mentioning general statements...what is wrong with saying Islamic terrorism? you mean it not politically correct to say that? now unless you are an islamic terrorists i dont see how you would be offended last i checked no here is a terrorist are they?

But it ok to say "americans of your faith"

what a nice double standard typical...this coming from a mod now?

we should get Koch in here so he can see what goes on at typical liberal speedguide.net

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:52 pm

UOD wrote:BTW Pie, in case you missed it, the Marines are now being charged with murder.

Oh I thought that they cleared them of wrong-doing like they did with the canine guard at abu-gharib prison. He basically got off scot-free.

Pie

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:53 pm

By GH

First you say communism is dead then you say it isnt...which is it?

you keep mentioning general statements...what is wrong with saying Islamic terrorism? you mean it not politically correct to say that?

But it ok to say "americans of your faith"

what a nice double standard typical

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. Reread what I wrote.

Sorry to have stepped on your toes with a bit of "liberal" text......

I'll try and be a bit more "conservative" in my approach next time in how I respond to you so as to not incure the wrath of "GH".

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:56 pm

downhill wrote:There you go again, putting words in my mouth. Reread what I wrote.

Sorry to have stepped on your toes with a bit of "liberal" text......

I'll try and be a bit more "conservative" in my approach next time in how I respond to you so as to not incure the wrath of "GH".

be nice to see you call out someone else for a change who is on your side but calling me worst things..

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:05 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:be nice to see you call out someone else for a change who is on your side but calling me worst things..

Here we go again.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:06 pm

downhill wrote:Here we go again.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:08 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:well if there was no islamic terrorism to begin with we would not be debating this issue would we?

which freedoms?

Very few that I have encountered and just basic inconvenience..like showing a license

what the point of freedom if 9-11 happens again and worst? If you ask those who died on 9-11 if they wouldnt mind a few inconviences to get their life back think they would say sure? well we dont know since their dead.

I say again what is more important minor inconviences or human lives? I will take human lives over losing some so called freedoms that I never really lost.

what is the root of Islamic terrorism?

Could it be the unyielding American support of Israel and it's long history of supplying arms to a country where it's leaders treat OTHER human lives like that of a terrorist?

Maybe if America chose the right over the righteous, things would be different.

People aren't bad, their leaders are bad....and like sheep, we follow them blindly.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:57 pm

UOD wrote: People aren't bad, their leaders are bad....and like sheep, we follow them blindly.

well ...GH does anyway...

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:04 am

UOD wrote:what is the root of Islamic terrorism?

Could it be the unyielding American support of Israel and it's long history of supplying arms to a country where it's leaders treat OTHER human lives like that of a terrorist?

Maybe if America chose the right over the righteous, things would be different.

People aren't bad, their leaders are bad....and like sheep, we follow them blindly.

root cause is usually within, we all have that free will to do good or evil these terrorists choose to do evil. It simple to me.

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:18 am

Ghosthunter wrote:well if there was no islamic terrorism to begin with we would not be debating this issue would we?

which freedoms?

Very few that I have encountered and just basic inconvenience..like showing a license

what the point of freedom if 9-11 happens again and worst? If you ask those who died on 9-11 if they wouldnt mind a few inconviences to get their life back think they would say sure? well we dont know since their dead.

I say again what is more important minor inconviences or human lives? I will take human lives over losing some so called freedoms that I never really lost.

stop being so freaking closed minded.

"minor inconveniences"??? MAYBE FOR YOU. When my friends get held up at the canadian border for 5 days trying to enter the US because they are brown skinned and have small beards, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE US PASSPORTS, that's a small inconvenience? WOW. you really are blind.

Because you may not have lost some freedoms does not mean your fellow American hasn't as well. I love this country, but people like you are effing it up for all of us.

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:20 am

Ghosthunter wrote:root cause is usually within, we all have that free will to do good or evil these terrorists choose to do evil. It simple to me.

Let me just rehash what you said before you edited this post:

"i disagree lets face it the root of islamic terrorist is Islam. Now that does not mean all muslims are terrorists to even say that would be wrong...but lets face it...look at the riots last year in europe all because of a cartoon article...what happened to freedom of press? Instead we get death to americans and people who made up a cartoon. Islam does not teach peace and tolerance."

Offending Black people: Racist
Offending women: Sexist
Offending gays: Homophobic
Offending Jews: Anti-Semitic
Offending (Arabs &) Muslims: Freedom of speech

Thank you for knowing more about my faith than I do.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:22 am

Mehmet wrote:Let me just rehash what you said before you edited this post:

"i disagree lets face it the root of islamic terrorist is Islam. Now that does not mean all muslims are terrorists to even say that would be wrong...but lets face it...look at the riots last year in europe all because of a cartoon article...what happened to freedom of press? Instead we get death to americans and people who made up a cartoon. Islam does not teach peace and tolerance."

Offending Black people: Racist
Offending women: Sexist
Offending gays: Homophobic
Offending Jews: Anti-Semitic
Offending (Arabs &) Muslims: Freedom of speech

Thank you for knowing more about my faith than I do.

you dont see any of those above groups marching in the street yelling death to americans because they were offended now do you? big difference.

i was posting from this site

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sinaprologue.htm

These are all ex-muslims..

Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing]

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:27 am

Ghosthunter wrote:i was posting from this site

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sinaprologue.htm

These are all ex-muslims..

Oh god, I don't even know where to begin. Maybe with all of the things they have taken out of context? maybe of the false Hadiths? Maybe of the picking of random verses without relating the rest of the story? Or maybe I should just shut up because nothing I say will have any effect on you.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:31 am

Mehmet wrote:Oh god, I don't even know where to begin. Maybe with all of the things they have taken out of context? maybe of the false Hadiths? Maybe of the picking of random verses without relating the rest of the story? Or maybe I should just shut up because nothing I say will have any effect on you.

I did not say all muslims follow it but if you really follow it literally which is what the terrorists do...they see nothing wrong with it.

and according to their FAQ on their website this is what he says about being taken dout of context

http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/38.htm

What is the real context when Muhammad instructs his followers to scourge their wives if they are not obedient? What is the real context when he tells them to kill the unbelievers wherever they find them? What is the real context when he rapes a 9-year-old child or women captured in war? The truth is that Quran is a book out of context. How can we apply those barbaric teachings of Quran in this age of science and reason?

The Modern Muslim apologists who unlike their more fundamentalist counterparts (like the ones in Afghanistan), have evolved that much to distinguish the wrong from the right, are embarrassed of the stupid and inhumane teachings of Quran. They are the ones who accuse us of taking the verses out of their context. They insist that Quran cannot be understood and need to be explained by experts. They claim that to fully grasp the meaning of Quran one has to be versed in Tafseer (scholar&#8217]

Mehmet · Post by **Mehmet** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:35 am

Ghosthunter wrote:I did not say all muslims follow it but if you really follow it literally which is what the terrorists do...they see nothing wrong with it.

You still stand by your statement that the root problem is Islam. I know what you edited, and I quoted you above. That is my problem.