Ghosthunter wrote:he deosnt care about sweden one bit..only that he cannot get anymore free downloads...
it something called ethics which many people do not have nowdays anymore unfortunately
I wonder about RIAA's ethics as well... If it were up to them, we wouldn't have the VCR, DVRs, DVD-R/RWs, etc. We'd be paying them every time we hear or see something.
They have the financial strength to shove their "ethics" through lobbying into Congress and down our throats, DRM, chip ids and what not, yet we still worry about the ethics of little people, the ethics of the end user ?
Philip wrote:I wonder about RIAA's ethics as well... If it were up to them, we wouldn't have the VCR, DVRs, DVD-R/RWs, etc. We'd be paying them every time we hear or see something.
They have the financial strength to shove their "ethics" through lobbying into Congress and down our throats, DRM, chip ids and what not, yet we still worry about the ethics of little people, the ethics of the end user ?
Er, nm, I'll shut up now.
whether it is right or wrong..the law is the law...especailly something that is not a requirement for daily life like food/housing/medical, two wrongs do not make a right when it comes to ethics.
someone is going to get hurt in the long run when things are stolen..and you bet it not going to be the top CEO's it going to be some other little person who works in a factory who will lose thier job down the road or get more paycuts or benefits slashed.
Ghosthunter wrote:actually i did my research and from other sites found out that site was dealing with aiding illegal software as well as movies...
it not bitorrent is the problem but these servers...
and aiding is the same thing as doing the deed...
just like robbing a bank..just because you not physically there but help move the money afterwards still part of it..but of course if it makes you feel good...then sure make believe you did not do anything wrong...
otherwise you woudlnt be so upset..LOL
So... By the same logic, if you're the manufacturer of trucks that have been used in transporting stolen goods, you should be sued and the technology should be outlawed as well.
Hey, while we're at it, anything that can be used to aid stealing, like gloves should be outlawed too. Forget about guns or knifes. Just turn in everything to the government, including those lighters and nail clippers.
I guess all I'm trying to say is what happens with the legal use of the technology, who's going to defend that ?
Ghosthunter wrote:actually i did my research and from other sites found out that site was dealing with aiding illegal software as well as movies...
it not bitorrent is the problem but these servers...
and aiding is the same thing as doing the deed...
just like robbing a bank..just because you not physically there but help move the money afterwards still part of it..but of course if it makes you feel good...then sure make believe you did not do anything wrong...
otherwise you woudlnt be so upset..LOL
Your research is flawed.
First of all to compare a bank robbery with this is stupid. It would be like accusing a bank of having the data for the transaction closed down and not the person responsible for having the stolen funds in his account that stole the money in the first place. As I have said multiple times, they hold NO DATA , only the info files to keep the swarms running smoothly and the file descriptions. Last time I heard text files were not a breach of copyright laws unless you are talking about plageurism which this is clearly not a case of.
The seizure of ThePirateBay.org’s entire server farm will guarantee this BitTorrent tracker will remain offline until the police complete their investigation. The uncertainty on the part of the police may stem from the fact ThePirateBay.org's servers only host .torrent files, not actual copyrighted material. As a tracker, ThePirateBay.org's function is to index .torrent files and to direct BitTorrent traffic and maintain the swarm (uploads and downloads.) The downloaded .torrent file contains all the necessary information to locate and download the queried file. The legality of indirectly linking to copyrighted material has yet to be tested by Swedish courts.
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Philip wrote:So... By the same logic, if you're the manufacturer of trucks that have been used in transporting stolen goods, you should be sued and the technology should be outlawed as well.
Hey, while we're at it, anything that can be used to aid stealing, like gloves should be outlawed too. Forget about guns or knifes. Just turn in everything to the government, including those lighters and nail clippers.
I guess all I'm trying to say is what happens with the legal use of the technology, who's going to defend that ?
well here is an interesting article I found earlier this just a few weeks ago:
Philip wrote:I wonder about RIAA's ethics as well... If it were up to them, we wouldn't have the VCR, DVRs, DVD-R/RWs, etc. We'd be paying them every time we hear or see something.
They have the financial strength to shove their "ethics" through lobbying into Congress and down our throats, DRM, chip ids and what not, yet we still worry about the ethics of little people, the ethics of the end user ?
Philip wrote:I guess all I'm trying to say is what happens with the legal use of the technology, who's going to defend that ?
I'm actually slightly shocked that the tech makers still don't seem to want to fight the entertainment industry's lobbyists, and continue to allow their business to be dictated by Hollywood's demands. One would've thought that the RIAA's lawsuit against Diamond Multimedia back in the late 90's would've been their wakeup call for the digital era.
BTW Phillip, I have a request..please participate in these debates more often for some reason you have this magic where everyone starts to listen and respect other members inlcuding myself, when you participate =)
Thanks for the nice words GH, I'm glad I did not offend you with my comments.
I try to work on the site usually, and I suppose I often don't participate in order to try and stay impartial. A lot of times it is harder to judge objectively if you're a side in the debate. Still, you have a point, I should probably participate in here more...
Philip wrote:Thanks for the nice words GH, I'm glad I did not offend you with my comments.
I try to work on the site usually, and I suppose I often don't participate in order to try and stay impartial. A lot of times it is harder to judge objectively if you're a side in the debate. Still, you have a point, I should probably participate in here more...
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The thing about Torrent sites is there are alot of "free" stuff that you can download.. like "e-books" and such..
Well again.. got to say
"Destroyed.. by the Empire..."
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Shinobi wrote:The thing about Torrent sites is there are alot of "free" stuff that you can download.. like "e-books" and such..
Well again.. got to say
"Destroyed.. by the Empire..."
Well from what I Understand they have had this happen before and they should be back as long as they have no illegal files on their hard drives. I know the MPAA has already posted a celebratory press release about TPB being taken down along with claims of their losing 6Billion a year due to piracy. Maybe they know something everyone else doesn't. Passing around a few mil for palm greasing couldn't hurt if you are expecting a 6Bil return.
Not a bad ROI
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I have to wonder where ethics come into a disussion such as this.
Ethics are
" The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession "
These rules and standards are placed upon the conduct of this community, by the community at large, what is right and wrong within this community.
And within the file share community there is nothing wrong with the actions of downloading information, whatever that information may be. Therefore within that cummunity it IS ethical
What is ethical to you and your community may not be ethical to me or my community.
I for one believe going to strip bars is unethical, but thats me.
What is being discussed is copyright law, and the perseived distribution of such, its legality and not ethics.
In some countries there is a tax payed to the recording and movie industry for blank media, this is done to offset their persieved losses due to copying.
This tax is payed in Canada on all blank media, wether I am making a DVD of my puppy or kids, I still pay this tax. SO who is ripping off who.
The RIAA profits when i take a picture of my dog and save it to disk or hard drive and based on my ethics, that is a cost I pay to have the right to copy, hence the tax I pay on all blank media.
thepieman wrote:Well from what I Understand they have had this happen before and they should be back as long as they have no illegal files on their hard drives. I know the MPAA has already posted a celebratory press release about TPB being taken down along with claims of their losing 6Billion a year due to piracy. Maybe they know something everyone else doesn't. Passing around a few mil for palm greasing couldn't hurt if you are expecting a 6Bil return.
Not a bad ROI
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They lost 6 billion the same way exxon lost 6 billion
YARDofSTUF wrote:They lost 6 billion the same way exxon lost 6 billion
Well they are assuming that every person that has downloaded something would have purchased it. Ridiculous yes but still an accepted figure by the government when/if they go to court.
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thepieman wrote:Well they are assuming that every person that has downloaded something would have purchased it. Ridiculous yes but still an accepted figure by the government when/if they go to court.
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Ah yes...the good ole' 'Generally Accepted Accounting Principles' ...piss on that ...
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Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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sorry, went nuts on the back button n thats muh storay
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I saw that. Did you notice the pics of the data room? It was completely bare. I feel sorry for whoever has to put all that stuff back together again. That is going to be a big job and will probably cost a small fortune. I hope they get compensated for resetting back up if they are found to be not guilty of having actual data on their servers.
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thepieman wrote: I feel sorry for whoever has to put all that stuff back together again. That is going to be a big job and will probably cost a small fortune. I hope they get compensated for resetting back up if they are found to be not guilty of having actual data on their servers.
thepieman wrote:Maybe when the neocons take over and they Outlaw strip joints , people will say the same thing. People like you will have to fly to The Orient to get their rocks off.
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Mark wrote:it's back, but anyone who uses this site now is surely not very smart, i mean i'm sure the feds or whomever will be watching and logging users
We pay a tax in Canada on all blank media that goes to the recording and movie industry due to the sole reason of copying, they have been raping us since the inception of VHS for all our blank tapes, cd's and such.
They make their share off us Canadians sharing, they can go screw themselves, our courts have basically told them so,
ok its so simple PB is like a pipe> its the user who decides what they put in it.
A mfc co should not be shut for making pipes.
What i would like to see is some definitions of file shareing :
inviting someone over to watch a movie is file shareing
downhilll lendnig me his pinky floyyd cd is file shareing
^ is this ileagal?
also define copywrite infringement:
If I video tape Brembo singing his favorite back street boys song on the kareoke machine. will he still be gay? prolly, but does that mean its copywrite infringement.
dont expect us to follow some bull****e that is made up as you go.
further more i dont appreciate me and my family being constantly bombarded by radiowaves.
*runs to purchase 8000 sq ft of tin foil*
I was going to post a link to that thread, but the SG search results for "bullsh|t" were too numerous
sometimes you have to think outside the box to get inside the box .
Ghosthunter wrote:
Stealing is wrong....no matter what you call it
I beleive this is about file shareing
shareing which is a good thing to teach your children.
stealing is when you take a cd from my collection with out asking.
I was going to post a link to that thread, but the SG search results for "bullsh|t" were too numerous
sometimes you have to think outside the box to get inside the box .
Chris wrote:We pay a tax in Canada on all blank media that goes to the recording and movie industry due to the sole reason of copying, they have been raping us since the inception of VHS for all our blank tapes, cd's and such.
They make their share off us Canadians sharing, they can go screw themselves, our courts have basically told them so,
We do too Chris. On any blank media that is manufactured.Its a nice little scam they got going, that you pay a tax to the RIAA wether or not you use the media o copy songs or your own personal pics.
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From what I understand, the new Playstation 3 licensing scheme will be that you will purchase the rights to use a game for your own personal use but you cannot resell it or use it on another machine. I guess thats the DRM license kicking in like music you can only use it on the machine you install it on. If your machine dies you have to get a new disc.
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