This is truly amazing technology. I hope its for real.
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A Gas from Water? This is cool stuff.
A Gas from Water? This is cool stuff.
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Very cool stuff, but I'm skeptical that even a proven technology could gain acceptance any time in the near future. Oil interests are just too powerful and if they can't make money off it, they'll stick with something they can make money off of.
Brazil's model for energy independence is a proven model and it's being used every day. If you read up on how the Brazilian government set up the infastructure, it's not something the U.S. could copy, so a degree of innovation would be required in implementation. But as far as the technology goes, ethanol is here and will only get better.
Brazil's model for energy independence is a proven model and it's being used every day. If you read up on how the Brazilian government set up the infastructure, it's not something the U.S. could copy, so a degree of innovation would be required in implementation. But as far as the technology goes, ethanol is here and will only get better.
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or the most "disappeared"...
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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You bummed me out now. I hope they are wrong. That would be such a fantastic way to at least get rid of some oil dependency.YARDofSTUF wrote:http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=450530
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HHO gas? it hurts to hear that...from a chemical standpoint. ouch. i would be interested in hearing of the voltage required to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. couldn't find anything about that on the website. looked over the "scientific paper" on there. it's easy to write a paper, it's another thing all together to write and submit it to a peer-review chemical journal....which was not done in this case.
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It takes more power than it makes.thechemgeek wrote:HHO gas? it hurts to hear that...from a chemical standpoint. ouch. i would be interested in hearing of the voltage required to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. couldn't find anything about that on the website. looked over the "scientific paper" on there. it's easy to write a paper, it's another thing all together to write and submit it to a peer-review chemical journal....which was not done in this case.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4168790800
the title is misleading but its interesting...
the title is misleading but its interesting...
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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Cool thanks for the link.Bastid wrote:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4168790800
the title is misleading but its interesting...
This is the way I look at it, Edison had to go through hundreds of filaments before he got the lightbulb right. One of these guys are gonna hit on something, and maybe now it may take more energy in, then energy out but it will become more efficient eventually.
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Bastid wrote:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4168790800
the title is misleading but its interesting...
Cliffnotes?
NO! reading is fun! now do it or ill sick prey on you!
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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YARDofSTUF wrote:Ok, now teach me how to read a video...
Lol...
ummmm
im on crack...
Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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I often wonder if the voices in my head ever get frustrated because I'm just too damn lazy to climb that clock tower.
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Bastid wrote:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4168790800
the title is misleading but its interesting...
I like how his lights dimmed in the house when he plugged the device into the mains.
Wonder if it's true... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_MeyerThe water fuel cell is a perpetual motion device that was supposed to function by breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen gases using less energy than that present in the bond itself. The water fuel cell was claimed to produce several times more energy than it consumed (for instance, by connecting it to an engine that would burn the hydrogen back into water), and a car prototype powered by a water fuel cell was assembled.
Since this concept violates the first law of thermodynamics and this apparatus has never been demonstrated to work or reproduced, it was met with much skepticism and was later found to be a hoax. The purpose of the hoax was likely to attract gullible investors, selling them licensing rights for a "revolutionary" technology. The inventor, Mr. Stanley Meyer (died March 21, 1998), was later successfully sued by some of these disgruntled investors, whom he had sold "dealerships", and convicted for "gross and egregious fraud".
As already stated, currently, the electrolysis process of splitting water consumes more energy than it produces, it can't be classified as a "source" of energy - just conversion of energy from one form to another.
However, even if it is just conversion of energy, it can still be improved to become more efficient, it can still work. I believe it simply does not serve the interests at power to fund research in this particular direction.
The arguments against don't seem very strong to me... I'm not an expert, but efficiency can improve... The currently used internal combustion engine has an energy efficiency rating of 25-35% only, for example, but that doesn't seem to deter us from using it.
I want my hydrogen-powered lawnmower NOW, dammit !
However, even if it is just conversion of energy, it can still be improved to become more efficient, it can still work. I believe it simply does not serve the interests at power to fund research in this particular direction.
The arguments against don't seem very strong to me... I'm not an expert, but efficiency can improve... The currently used internal combustion engine has an energy efficiency rating of 25-35% only, for example, but that doesn't seem to deter us from using it.
I want my hydrogen-powered lawnmower NOW, dammit !
Philip, I'm pretty sure that the reason the theory has been disproven is because then it would be classed as a perpetual motion machine - breaking the laws of physics (as we've come to know them, at any rate). Using electrolysis to produce more energy than you put in doesn't scientifically work (and neither did Stanley Meyers plans), considering there was a lawsuit filed and he lost - at least according to the wikipedia entry.
If you are operating on solely wind turbine or Solar it wouldn't be a bad thing if it was able to keep up with the demand of his weldng machine.
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stevebakh wrote:Philip, I'm pretty sure that the reason the theory has been disproven is because then it would be classed as a perpetual motion machine - breaking the laws of physics (as we've come to know them, at any rate). Using electrolysis to produce more energy than you put in doesn't scientifically work (and neither did Stanley Meyers plans), considering there was a lawsuit filed and he lost - at least according to the wikipedia entry.
Note that regular electrolysis for separating water into hydrogen and oxygen works. The method works, it is simply not as efficient as Meyers stated - it can't be used to produce more energy than you put in... But you can still use the method as a clean fuel source, we can convert electricity into hydrogen/oxygen and drive on it without being dependent necessarily on oil. Electricity can be generated in other ways, not only fossil fuels.