Israel will hit Iran in the next few months: Israeli official

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:53 pm

WASHINGTON: Israel will strike Iran’s nuclear facilities in the next “month or two or three,” an Israeli official has been quoted here as saying.

The unnamed official told Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor-in-chief of the United Press International (UPI), at the recently held national day reception at the Israeli Embassy that he believed Israel would strike Iran first in the next two or three months and that fighter bombers would not be involved as they had been to take out Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor before it went critical in 1981. For Osirak, Israel had used 14 F-15s and F-16s. This time, the Israeli said, it would be missiles. Asked if Israel would employ Cruise missiles, he replied, “with a gesture of his hand that went up and down again”, which meant that it would be the weapon of choice.

Asked if tunnel entrances to widely scattered Iranian nuclear facilities would be targeted, he responded that Israel had its own geo-stationary spy-in-the-sky satellite taking constant pictures of Iran with a resolution down to 70 centimetres. “We know far more than anyone realises,” he added.

full story---
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2006_pg1_3

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:06 am

Someone needs to take out Israel.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:07 am

jz82 wrote:Someone needs to take out Israel.

O rly?

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:39 am

". . . he responded that Israel had its own geo-stationary spy-in-the-sky satellite taking constant pictures of Iran with a resolution down to 70 centimetres."

Well, no.

In a pakistani newspaper? The whole thing seems pretty dubious.

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:11 am

Izzo wrote:O rly?

Rly. Everyone knows Israel has nukes.

Besides, people underestimate the effect technological advancement has on developing nations. While it's true Iran doesn't need nuclear power for energy purposes, there are valid reasons for wanting the technology...

- As oil prices rise, lower domestic consumption would mean increased profits.
- Like any technology, the process of development>implementation>use opens the doorway to subsequent technologies (I know there must be some Civ fans here

).
- Iran exists in a reigon with several nuclear powers.
- As the U.S. becomes more aggressive, a nuclear deterrent becomes more desirable. It has worked for N. Korea so far.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:33 am

jz82 wrote:Someone needs to take out Israel.

Slow your roll on the eeeeeevil Zionist schpiel, Der Fuhrer.

FunK · Post by **FunK** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:16 am

jz82 wrote:Rly. Everyone knows Israel has nukes.
- Like any technology, the process of development>implementation>use opens the doorway to subsequent technologies (I know there must be some Civ fans here ).

Yes but in your game world the new technology isn't nuclear weapons.
In the real world however.....

Iran has enriched to 4.5%. More than is needed to run a reactor.
How many reactors do they have?

Why the plan to get 3,000+ centrifuges running in the next year if they already have enough to run their reactor?

Supply and demand.. They don't have the reactors to use all that uranium. With 3,000 more, they will be able to enrich to 90+% in a year (needed for a bomb)..

So their goal is mearly peaceful energy right? Rhetoric says one thing, math says nuclear bombs for sale (or free) to the highest bidder in one year.

That target WON'T be Isreal. Reason being they want the Holy land to themselves. No good if you can't go there for a few hundred years.

The target would be the US and if that's the plan, I say GO ISREAL!

With that in mind, I wouldn't be against Iran having nuclear power if it was guaranteed safe and there was no threat of them making a bomb. Chances are that won't ever happen so.. Unfortunately, I don't see a peaceful end to this. Iran is digging a deeeep hole and Isreal will fill it with one big ass boot.

I believe it when they say they know what is going on.

jz82 · Post by **jz82** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:33 am

I know they want a nuke. Lets face facts, nuclear weapons are over 60 years old and we can't put a freeze on the technology.

zooner · Post by **zooner** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:27 am

jz82 wrote:I know they want a nuke. Lets face facts, nuclear weapons are over 60 years old and we can't put a freeze on the technology.

twinkies can last for 60 years and I'd still eat them.

Heck, my mom is almost 60 and I'd hug her.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:44 am

Why posting crap from that paper?

Just to stir up trouble?

David · Post by **David** » Fri May 12, 2006 6:34 am

jz82 wrote:Rly. Everyone knows Israel has nukes.

But not everyone knew that Libya had a huge stock pile of biologic and chemical agents. Are such monsterous caches of weapons hidden in other ME countries? From my conversations with soldiers who have returned from Afghanistan and Iraq, I am inclined to say yes.

Regarding the article, take measure of the source. Then again, Israeli ministers do have a proclivity in shooting off idiotic rheotic.

David · Post by **David** » Fri May 12, 2006 6:36 am

jz82 wrote:I know they want a nuke. Lets face facts, nuclear weapons are over 60 years old and we can't put a freeze on the technology.

Technology has its limits based on the sophistication of its users. You of all people should recognize that.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:19 am

Ghosthunter wrote:Why posting crap from that paper?

Just to stir up trouble?

GH, please list the newspapers that are acceptable to this site...

You fool, I have already told you it will be Israel, not the U.S. that strikes Iran.
Russia has a treaty with Iran. An attack will trigger the prophecy of the King of the North marching/warring with Israel.

You throw that stir up trouble statement hoping a mod will sniff on it, and ban me i suppose. You aren't as clever as you percieve yourself.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:22 am

knightmare wrote:GH, please list the newspapers that are acceptable to this site...

You fool, I have already told you it will be Israel, not the U.S. that strikes Iran.
Russia has a treaty with Iran. An attack will trigger the prophecy of the King of the North marching/warring with Israel.

You throw that stir up trouble statement hoping a mod will sniff on it, and ban me i suppose. You aren't as clever as you percieve yourself.

For one an unamed official..Yeah right..LOL told some guy at UPI Press...umm if he did how come they haven't printed it? And they are going to use missiles instead of bombers when Israel has one of the best airforce out there? Why use missiles?

Two, Israel would never do this without US agreement...

But then again this another conspiracy theory, what prophecy?

I say stir up trouble because there have been many anti-israel threads as of late...and this just adding another one especially when no truth behind the article.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:28 am

Ghosthunter wrote:For one an unamed official..Yeah right..LOL told some guy at UPI Press...umm if he did how come they haven't printed it? And they are going to use missiles instead of bombers when Israel has one of the best airforce out there? Why use missiles?

Two, Israel would never do this without US agreement...

But then again this another conspiracy theory, what prophecy?

I say stir up trouble because there have been many anti-israel threads as of late...and this just adding another one especially when no truth behind the article.

How do you know it isn't true?
Btw, I'm pro-Israel, even though guys like you ruin it for the rest of us.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:34 am

knightmare wrote:How do you know it isn't true?
Btw, I'm pro-Israel, even though guys like you ruin it for the rest of us.

ruin what and guys like me what does that mean?

Becuase if it was true it would be all over the http://www.jpost.com

I have no problem beleiving the story if it actually made sense I am all for someone taking out their ability before they get nukes.

why would the story not be on here http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/ when Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor-in-chief of the United Press International (UPI) was supposedly told this?

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:43 am

anyway, Ezekiel, 38th, 39th Chapters, the attempted invasion of Israel from Russia and a Arab/Islamic alliance.

The Gog-Magog invasion, GH...

Turkey, not gaining acceptance into the EU, looks for alliance with Iran & Russia, the link to east and west, and the area of key land which must be crossed. They are ancient--biblical Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, and Togarmah.

Here is a snip*, from a recent Turkish article--

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/opinion-5013.html

ARA BASLIK: Imperial ambitions in Mideast

Quite surprisingly as the AK Party loses faith in the EU process this corresponds to a stronger interest and involvement in the Middle East. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's decision to have direct talks with Hamas, his participation in the recent Arab League summit, his Syria policy and criticism of several Western policies towards the region are very recent examples of this.

These steps are confusing to many and raise questions on whether the AK Party is shifting towards an Islamist agenda in its foreign policy and also searching for some new alliances.

"Our party believes that Turkey should fill the power vacuum in the Middle East created by the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey has to be become a major intervening actor in the Middle East and the surrounding area. We believe that Turkey cannot solve its bilateral and domestic problems without becoming an imperial power in the Middle East.

and so they shall as it was written long ago

Kip Patterson · Post by **Kip Patterson** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:53 am

Arnaud is not eidtor-in-chief at UPI; he is a free-lance journalist, entitled "editor-at-large" at UPI and other respectable news organizations.

I can't find any indication that he said such a thing, although the piece by Hasan is widely quoted. my guess is that it is all poppycock. The supposedly geostationalry satellite is nothing short of a joke.

Kip

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:54 am

[quote="Kip Patterson"]Arnaud is not eidtor-in-chief at UPI]

yeah i did searching and only links i can find are all to the original article in first post from peoples blogs

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:22 am

knightmare wrote:anyway, Ezekiel, 38th, 39th Chapters, the attempted invasion of Israel from Russia and a Arab/Islamic alliance.

The Gog-Magog invasion, GH...

yes I know about that and the Moshiach belief. Though it is not for sure that war will happen or who it will be for sure.

No doubt about it Iran are enemies of Israel, They have said numerous times they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and deny holocuast happened. I dont trust Iran one bit

UN finds new uranium traces in Iran: diplomats

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060512/wl_ ... anium_dc_4]

SpareX · Post by **SpareX** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:55 am

if Israel goes to war with Iran.. You know the US will be .005 seconds behind them...

Ladies and Gentlemen... World War 3 is unfolding infront of our eyes.. If these events transpire... then the war will begin..

We need a peaceful resolution to this soon.. or it will be too late..

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:56 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:UN finds new uranium traces in Iran: diplomats

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060512/wl_ ... anium_dc_4]

You said something to KM about posting an article that you deemed not newsworthy.
Now why is it ok for You to post articles with no backing yet you just made a statement of "For one an unamed official..Yeah right..LOL told some guy at UPI Press...umm if he did how come they haven't printed it?"

then you post this article that has aboslutely no sources and its all assumptions

"Preliminary analysis by the IAEA showed traces of highly enriched uranium in the (pump) samples," a Western diplomat accredited to the IAEA told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

"Our (intelligence) assessment is that you cannot explain Iran's progress without secret (enrichment) sites being involved," said a diplomat from a country critical of Iran.

Others say Iran could have made such progress through simulation work.

Another diplomat from the same country said he suspected small amounts of processed uranium gas were being diverted from Isfahan, possibly to undisclosed enrichment sites in Iran. An EU diplomat said the IAEA had such suspicions too but no proof.

Sounds to me like there are either spies in the IAEA or someone is trying to sabaotage the UN talks. The IAEA is not supposed to "leak" info.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:06 pm

thepieman wrote:You said something to KM about posting an article that you deemed not newsworthy.
Now why is it ok for You to post articles with no backing yet you just made a statement of "For one an unamed official..Yeah right..LOL told some guy at UPI Press...umm if he did how come they haven't printed it?"

then you post this article that has aboslutely no sources and its all assumptions

Sounds to me like there are either spies in the IAEA or someone is trying to sabaotage the UN talks. The IAEA is not supposed to "leak" info.

the article i posted is on multiple major news sites like cnn, bbc...besides it not talking about attacking Iran big difference...and is related to the nukes talk

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/ ... index.html

Jamie_R · Post by **Jamie_R** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:51 pm

SpareX wrote:if Israel goes to war with Iran.. You know the US will be .005 seconds behind them...

Ladies and Gentlemen... World War 3 is unfolding infront of our eyes.. If these events transpire... then the war will begin..

We need a peaceful resolution to this soon.. or it will be too late..

qft I'm afraid

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:02 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:the article i posted is on multiple major news sites like cnn, bbc...besides it not talking about attacking Iran big difference...and is related to the nukes talk

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/ ... index.html

You posted your little article at 10:23am. CNN didn't post theirs till 12:09 PM
So you are lying that major news sites had it. In the future if you wanna moderate a thread someone else posts, don't be a hypocrite.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:03 pm

SpareX wrote:if Israel goes to war with Iran.. You know the US will be .005 seconds behind them...

Ladies and Gentlemen... World War 3 is unfolding infront of our eyes.. If these events transpire... then the war will begin..

We need a peaceful resolution to this soon.. or it will be too late..

Sleeping bear will wake up (Russia)

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:07 pm

thepieman wrote:You posted your little article at 10:23am. CNN didn't post theirs till 12:09 PM
So you are lying that major news sites had it. In the future if you wanna moderate a thread someone else posts, don't be a hypocrite.

For the record This is the stupidest debate I ever had here...

was not moderating..but he knew this thread would turn into a flamefest with what has been going on lately here at SG with all the anti-israel conspiracy threads especailly when that article was obviously not true to begin with.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:14 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:For the record This is the stupidest debate I ever had here...

was not moderating..but he knew this thread would turn into a flamefest with what has been going on lately here at SG with all the anti-israel threads especailyl when that article was obvisouly not true to begin with.

Yeah of course its dumb because you got caught with your foot in your mouth again.

If you consider criticism of Israels policies as being anti-Israel thats your problem and its your opinion. Nothing more.

SpareX · Post by **SpareX** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:14 pm

rivas wrote:
Sleeping bear will wake up (Russia)

Indeed they will.. and I dont want to be anywhere near its reach..

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:15 pm

thepieman wrote:Yeah of course its dumb because you got caught with your foot in your mouth again.

If you consider criticism of Israels policies as being anti-Israel thats your problem and its your opinion. Nothing more.

Was going to say same thing

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:15 pm

SpareX wrote:Indeed they will.. and I dont want to be anywhere near its reach..

No kidding

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:16 pm

thepieman wrote:Yeah of course its dumb because you got caught with your foot in your mouth again.

If you consider criticism of Israels policies as being anti-Israel thats your problem and its your opinion. Nothing more.

If the policies were true...that the problem with all these damn conspiracy threads no one can tell truth from fiction anymore..

anyway I am not going to get into an argument with you again.

May Hashem bless you!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:17 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:For the record This is the stupidest debate I ever had here...

was not moderating..but he knew this thread would turn into a flamefest with what has been going on lately here at SG with all the anti-israel conspiracy threads especailly when that article was obviously not true to begin with.

where are all these anti-israel threads you speak of ?

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:18 pm

Izzo wrote:where are all these anti-israel threads you speak of ?

just do a search of thepieman and israel and you shall find almost every post about iran or middle east turns into an anti-israel thread

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:21 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:just do a search of thepieman and israel and you shall find almost every post about iran or middle east turns into an anti-israel thread

..so you can't point me to any? ...you said there were lots.... I didn't see anything anti-semetic/anti-israel. If you consider an opposing view to be anti-israel then I think you've moved into the ranks of the PCT's

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:30 pm

Izzo wrote:..so you can't point me to any? ...you said there were lots.... I didn't see anything anti-semetic/anti-israel. If you consider an opposing view to be anti-israel then I think you've moved into the ranks of the PCT's

https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... ran+strike

here one..keep searching..you will find plenty more in past few months ever since the whole Iran thing started

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:32 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:https://www.speedguide.net/forums/ ... ran+strike

here one..keep searching..you will find plenty more in past few months ever since the whole Iran thing started

That's a thread started by Gixxer alerting us to the story on CNN ..hardly an anti-Isreali thread.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:33 pm

Izzo wrote:That's a thread started by Gixxer alerting us to the story on CNN ..hardly an anti-Isreali thread.

did you read entire thread? that was my point the whole thing got twisted into an anti-israel when had nothing to do with it

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:37 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:did you read entire thread? that was my point the whole thing got twisted into an anti-israel when had nothing to do with it

still not anti-israel ...

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:44 pm

Ghosthunter wrote:If the policies were true...that the problem with all these damn conspiracy threads no one can tell truth from fiction anymore..

anyway I am not going to get into an argument with you again.

May Hashem bless you!

Thats YOUR problem that you consider factual debates regarding Israel as being conspiratorial. Its in your mind thats its a conspiracy. If I quoted UN derived resolutions and you consider them to be Anti-Israel or conspiratorial then I suggest you write to your government rep in Israel and you complain to them about their policies getting them into the news and the Un involving them.

Last update - 06:21 12/05/2006
UN submits complaint over IAF violations of Lebanese airspace
Israel Air Force warplanes flew across villages in southern Lebanon on Thursday, prompting a complaint from the UN envoy to Lebanon who said such illegal flights were increasing.

Geir Pederson, the UN secretary general's representative in Lebanon, issued a statement saying Israel had violated Lebanese airspace six times on Thursday in flights that involved a total of nine aircraft.

He expressed the United Nations' "concern at the recent increase in violations by Israeli aircraft of Lebanese airspace" and called on Israel to stop all such flights.

In Jerusalem, an Israel Defense Forces spokeswoman refused to comment on Pederson's statement, saying only: "We do not discuss air force activity."

Lebanese security officials confirmed the Israeli overflights, saying they appeared to be reconnaissance missions.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/715039.html

Is this Anti-Israel as well??

The old "we do not discuss air force activity" excuse. Another UN warning that will be ignored by Israel and more then likely another conspiracy for GH. This article 100% has your characteristics of placing blame on other people. They invade another countries airspace and then blame them for killing people because they are shooting at the planes illegally crossing borders!

You keep trying to hold them above the rest , but they keep letting you down because they act no better then any of their neighbors. Don't try to blame their policies on me because they keep getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar.