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what would be the point to blow up WTC7 7 hours later or bring it down?

from popular mechanics:
Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
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Pie, it's not normal to you because you're not an engineer or know how structures work. To most people, inlcuding myself, it does look strange, but if you do your research, you will find that those that know the dynamics of buildings don't see anything weird about how that building fell.
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Prey521 wrote:It's not normal to you because you're not an engineer or know how structures work. To most people, inlcuding myself, it does look strange, but if you do your research, you will find that those that know the dynamics of buildings don't see anything weird about how that building fell.

There you go best post in this thread!
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Prey521 wrote:CT'ist prey on those that are easily persuaded with bogus facts, fancy #'s and the whole "look, did you see that, that's a bomb going off". They think that if they garner enough "soldiers for the cause", that it somehow makes their claims valid. Sad life to live I tell ya!
That's also called political partyism.
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First of all, the Popular Mechanics article, aside from avoiding the real questions, was put together by Ben Chertoff, the cousin of Micheal Chertoff.
The Chertoff article goes on to confront the "poisonous claims" of 16 "myths" spun by "extremist" 9/11 researchers like myself with "irrefutable facts," mostly provided by individuals in the employ of the U.S. government.

But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Because the manager of public relations for Popular Mechanics didn't respond to repeated calls from American Free Press, I called Benjamin Chertoff, the magazine's "senior researcher," directly.

Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist – the one who never answers the phone.

Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
As far as WTC7 goes, everyone knows there was damage to one side of the building. Hell, there was damage to every building around the WTC's, infact other buildings had more extensive damage and didn't fall down. If WTC7's damage was so extensive that it could no longer stand, why didn't it topple over, towards the damage? It clearly fell into its own footprint.
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Right, so that building HAD to fall because it had more damage, it just HAD to!!! Puhlease, more smoke and mirrors, you sure your name isn't David Blaine?
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Prey521 wrote:Right, so that building HAD to fall because it had more damage, it just HAD to!!! Puhlease, more smoke and mirrors, you sure your name isn't David Blaine?
Might wanna ask former OK governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating, who wrote a manuscript in 1991 about a terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City -- carried out by a guy named Tom McVey -- to clear the smoke for ya. It eventually was published AFTER the bombing, titled "The Final Jihad."

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jz82 wrote:First of all, the Popular Mechanics article, aside from avoiding the real questions, was put together by Ben Chertoff, the cousin of Micheal Chertoff.

lol...the acorn doesn't fall too far from the tree.... yeah ...real credible...sorta like that 'ethics' investigation by the repubs....roofleberries!

Some people will just eat up whatever they are told....
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it is really hard to debate conspiracy theorists...because there is no evidence to debate...it just all straws


doesnt matter that the article was put together by joe wo....the director who put the seismic info together...says has nothing to do with WTC exploding from detonation

oh wait he must be some cousin of bush or something right? LOL

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0128.html
Damage to Buildings Near World Trade Center Towers Caused by Falling Debris and Air Pressure Wave, Not Ground Shaking, Seismologists Report
WASHINGTON - On September 11, seismographs operated by Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, recorded seismic signals produced by the impacts of the two aircraft hitting the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and the subsequent collapse of the 110 story towers. While the ground shaking was consistent with the energy released by small earthquakes, it was not sufficient to cause the collapse of, or damage to, surrounding buildings, as some have thought. Rather, seismologists report, the buildings around the Twin towers were impacted both by the kinetic energy of the falling debris and by the pressure exerted on them by a dust- and particle-laden blast produced by the collapse.

Writing in the November 20 issue of Eos, published by the American Geophysical Union, seismologists from Lamont-Doherty outline the sequence of seismographic recordings from that tragic day. They argue that vibrations recorded on September 11 were of a magnitude believed too low to cause structural damage to buildings, especially in the northeastern United States.

The authors add, however, that because there were no seismographic stations in or even near the World Trade Center, it is impossible to know for sure that the ground-shaking had no effect on neighboring buildings. Ultimately, they say, officials should consider the importance of placing seismographic stations in high density urban areas.

"Our recordings were made at considerable distance," says Won-Young Kim, who is in charge of seismological network operations for Lamont-Doherty. "However, plans are pending for an Advanced National Seismic System [ANSS] that calls for placing seismic instruments in such urban areas as New York City. The tragic events of September 11 show that such instrumentation can serve a purpose that sometimes transcends strict earthquake applications."

The Eos paper was written by 12 researchers at Lamont, including Kim, Lynn Sykes, Klaus Jacob, Paul Richards, and Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia’s new Center for Hazards and Risk Research. Lerner-Lam explained what happened once the planes hit the World Trade Center and why they resulted in relatively small seismographic readings.

"The energy contained in the amount of fuel combusted was equivalent to the energy released by 240 tons of TNT," said Lerner-Lam. "This energy was absorbed by the buildings and produced the observed fireballs, but did not immediately cause the collapse. During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damage–but not causing significant ground shaking."

Seismographic recordings of the WTC tower collapses were made in five states, as far as 428 kilometers [266 miles] away in Lisbon, New Hampshire. Lamont’s home station, in Palisades, New York, is located above the Hudson River, 34 kilometers [21 miles] from downtown Manhattan, where the towers stood.

The aircraft impacts registered local magnitude (ML) 0.9 and 0.7, indicating minimal earth shaking as a result. The subsequent collapsing of the towers, on the contrary, registered magnitudes of 2.1 and 2.3, comparable to the small earthquake that had occurred beneath the east side of Manhattan on January 17, 2001. The Lamont seismographs established the following timeline:

8:46:26 a.m. EDT [1240 UTC] Aircraft impact - north tower Magnitude 0.9
9:02:54 a.m. EDT [1302 UTC] Aircraft impact - south tower Magnitude 0.7
9:59:04 a.m. EDT [1359 UTC] Collapse - south tower Magnitude 2.1
10:28:31 a.m. EDT [1428 UTC] Collapse - north tower Magnitude 2.3
In addition, the seismic waves were short-period surface waves, traveling within the upper few kilometers [miles] of the Earth’s crust. They were caused by the interaction between the ground and the building foundations, which transmitted the energy from the impacts and collapses.

The authors also noted that, as seen in television images, the fall of the towers was similar to a pyroclastic flow down a volcano, where hot dust and chunks of material descend at high temperatures. The collapse of the WTC generated such a flow, though without the high temperatures.

The Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory operates 34 seismographic stations in the northeast in collaboration with several institutions. Network operations are supported by the United States Geological Survey. The network is part of the Advanced National Seismic System, a national seismological monitoring initiative being implemented through a USGS-university partnership.

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Notes for journalists:

The paper by Won-Young Kim, Lynn R. Sykes, J.H. Armitage, J.K. Xie, Klaus H. Jacob, Paul G.

Richards, M. West, F. Waldhauser, J. Armbruster, L. Seeber, W.X. Du, and Arthur Lerner-Lam, "Seismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at World Trade Center, New York City" appears in Eos, Volume 82, number 47 (20 November 2001), page 565.

Journalists may request a copy of the paper from Harvey Leifert, hleifert@agu.org, specifying a pdf or fax version. Please include your name, publication, postal address, phone, fax, and email address. There is no embargo.

Dr. Arthur Lerner-Lam may be contacted at +1 (845) 359-2900 extension 356 or lerner@ldeo.columbia.edu

like Lerner-lam said that video and alex jones is taking his report out of context which is nothing new
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Ghosthunter wrote:it is really hard to debate conspiracy theorists...because there is no evidence to debate...it just all straws


doesnt matter that the article was put together by joe wo....the director who put the seismic info together...says has nothing to do with WTC collapsing...

oh wait he must be some cousin of bush or something right? LOL

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0128.html

yeah my grandpa said something similar also

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Izzo wrote:yeah my grandpa said something similar also

"Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience"

LOL I love your grandpa hehehehe :thumb:
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Izzo wrote:yeah my grandpa said something similar also

"Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience"

I tend to believe firefighters who i know personally there that day..as well as engineers who actually have degrees....i for one wont begin to guess how it all works...

but to say wtc was pre wired with explosives jsut throws the whole conspiracy out the window in first place, especially if anyone had worked at the WTC or been inside the building or the area you will know what i mean.
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Ghosthunter wrote:I tend to believe firefighters who i know personally there that day..as well as engineers who actually have degrees....i for one wont begin to guess how it all works...
So the firefighters who said "it looked like a controlled demolition" or the scientists and engineers who hold the opposite position must be the crazy ones?
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Burke wrote:So the firefighters who said "it looked like a controlled demolition" or the scientists and engineers who hold the opposite position must be the crazy ones?

which firefighters?

i know a lot of them personally since I used to work in emergency services..

give me name, engine company or battalion
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Burke wrote:So the firefighters who said "it looked like a controlled demolition" must be the crazy ones.

don't argue ...he knows
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Ghosthunter wrote:which firefighters?

i know them personally since I used to work in emergency services..

give me name, engine company or battalion

you know every NYC fireman? ..ya ok. :rotfl:
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Izzo wrote:you know every NYC fireman? ..ya ok. :rotfl:

no but if i dont...someone in my family will...


lots of firefighters live in staten island..very close tight knit group
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Ghosthunter wrote:which firefighters?

i know a lot of them personally since I used to work in emergency services..

give me name, engine company or battalion
Re-read the link here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 8104223192

Numerous names of firefighters and battalion chiefs. I will also get you a video clip of them saying it as well.

Here you go.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ose+change

Fast forward to around the 45:30 mark.
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Burke wrote:Re-read the link here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 8104223192

Numerous names of firefighters and battalion chiefs. I will also get you a video clip of them saying it as well.

Here you go.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ose+change

Fast forward to around the 45:30 mark.
i remeber those tapes and saying it sounded like a bomb doesnt mean it was one....


we had an explosion here 3 years ago on 19th street...let me tell you that sounded like a huge bomb....and the way it sounded was coming from above but was really coming from different direction...ended up being some store that was storing illegal chemicals for a neon sign company


but until we found out all the information everyone thought it was a bomb for sure becuase of the explosions, luckily no one got injured




still doesnt asnwer how if this was a bomb...how they rewired it without one person seeing?
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Ghosthunter wrote:i remeber those tapes and saying it sounded like a bomb doesnt mean it was one....


we had an explosion here 3 years ago on 19th street...let me tell you that sounded like a huge bomb....and the way it sounded was coming from above but was really coming from different direction...ended up being some store that was storing illegal chemicals for a neon sign company


but until we found out all the information everyone thought it was a bomb for sure becuase of the explosions, luckily no one got injured




still doesnt asnwer how if this was a bomb...how they rewired it without one person seeing?
If a few guys can hijack some planes and crash them into a couple buildings and the pentagon and few guys could easily wire a building...
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I still wanna know where the Anthrax came from right after all this...
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Izzo wrote:I still wanna know where the Anthrax came from right after all this...
Thanks! Way to really get the conspiracy theorists going!!!! :D ;)
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[quote="fastchevy"]Thanks! Way to really get the conspiracy theorists going!!!! :D ]


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ok here a better question.


if there was a conspiracy to blow wtc up so they fall down like that...why bother to even fly the planes in

just blow up the buildings and just blame it on terrorism? lot easier to do that then coordinate with bin laden terrorists.

or are you saying no planes even hit the building in first place?
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Ghosthunter wrote:ok here a better question.


if there was a conspiracy to blow wtc up so they fall down like that...why bother to even fly the planes in

just blow up the buildings and just blame it on terrorism? lot easier to do that then coordinate with bin laden terrorists.

or are you saying no planes even hit the building in first place?
lol ..to whom are you asking your question?
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[quote="fastchevy"]Thanks! Way to really get the conspiracy theorists going!!!! :D ]


Lol...I enjoy the reading ...and hey, it's better than working all day. Gotta admit though with all the material that floating around there are questions that need to be answered.

...as far as the anthrax..... where did it come from Mr. Smarty pants?
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For the first few years after 9/11, I watched and listened to what the media and gov't had to say. For the last year or so, I've looked into several of the, "CT" sites and watched about 5 to 10 videos. In my opinion, the evidence against the official story is great.

Last week the National Geographic channel showed a couple of 9/11 specials. There is only one video of the 1st plane to hit the WTC. I'd really like to know how all of these media outlets can play this videoand not acknowledge that in real time and size it shows a clear and distinct flash underneath the plane which is reflected in the glass of the building just before it hits. Certain videos of the second plane show the same thing. Why is this fact completely left out of the official story? Can someone please tell us what could cause such a flash? I'm no expert, but my father worked for United and Pan Am back in the late 60's and through the 70's, so don't spin me any tales.

I'd also like to know, where in the H.E. double hockey sticks did the planes from the Pentagon and PA go? Why isn't the video from the Pentagon being released and why do they only give us certain frames of the explosion there, but no frames showing what actually caused the explosion? I don't doubt that flight 93 could've been shot down, but please dont tell me that it was vaporized in the process. If it was shot down, then what is that crater we've been shown on the ground and where are the titanium engines? Surely, they would've survived.

These are just a few obvious questions that should be raised over 9/11 and most of the links provided earlier in this thread can answer those questions. You don't have to believe that explosives were planted at WTC, but there is no logical explanation for why WTC 1 & 2 were completely pulverized or why #7 came down at all.

Oh, there may be a conspiracy...but is it just a theory?
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Ghosthunter wrote:ok here a better question.


if there was a conspiracy to blow wtc up so they fall down like that...why bother to even fly the planes in

just blow up the buildings and just blame it on terrorism? lot easier to do that then coordinate with bin laden terrorists.

or are you saying no planes even hit the building in first place?
I just typed a Bounceresque reply, but the damned site ate it when I clicked submit.

Of course the planes hit. But the visual was misdirection. The brown people did it! What do we do now? Institute the Patriot Act, of course, and wiretap the citizenry! It was allowed to occur as a power grab...as James Bond villianish as that sounds, I believe it to be fact.
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Yeah, that's it, Bush knew ahead of 9-11 that what was to transpire and decided to set some exposives in and around the Twin Towers because he had such a good working relationship with Bin Laden's Al-Qaida (sp). :nod: :nod:





Burke wrote:Well, unless you count a 36 hour "power down" on floors 50 and up on September 8 and 9. I'm sure it's just coincidence, and that security and maintenance were all done in-house and were on all floors at every moment during that time.

Not that you'll read them, but:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 8104223192

http://www.911oz.com/link.phtml?id=60&nav_id=navbutt_3
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cybotron r_9 wrote:Yeah, that's it, Bush knew ahead of 9-11 that what was to transpire and decided to set some exposives in and around the Twin Towers because he had such a good working relationship with Bin Laden's Al-Qaida (sp). :nod: :nod:
Al-Qaida, while a group of ruthless, murdering thugs is the patsy here; you let the patsy commit the crime, then the world focuses on that spotlight while the real culprits get away with it. Same thing happened in Oklahoma City.
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Burke wrote:Same thing happened in Oklahoma City.
Are you saying the Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols didn't do it?
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Izzo wrote:
...as far as the anthrax..... where did it come from Mr. Smarty pants?
I wish I knew...do you think it was orchistrated by someone outside the country or totally a 'in house' deal?
Me?...I'm would GUESS that it was orchistrated by people outside of the country, carried out by their 'worker bees'.
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fastchevy wrote:Are you saying the Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols didn't do it?
Ugh.

No, I am not saying that. Their own extremist views were parlayed into their participation. Willing dupes, thinking they're striking a blow for whatever cause, while actually furthering a darker agenda.
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Burke wrote:Ugh.

No, I am not saying that. Their own extremist views were parlayed into their participation. Willing dupes, thinking they're striking a blow for whatever cause, while actually furthering a darker agenda.
oohh yeah that's for sure. They were pawns no doubt...neither of them were bright enough to come up with it, plan it, put it together, and make it happen on their own.
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Prey521 wrote:Pie, it's not normal to you because you're not an engineer or know how structures work. To most people, inlcuding myself, it does look strange, but if you do your research, you will find that those that know the dynamics of buildings don't see anything weird about how that building fell.
Ok Im not an engineer but you even discounted what that MIT engineer said.
If you watched the video I posted and ignore the helicopter parts to some degree and listen to the engineers as well as the firemen on that ...he said they were designed for such a hit and they did take the hit. You really have to watch it all the way through. The guy who did this really got excellent footage.
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Ghosthunter wrote:which firefighters?

i know a lot of them personally since I used to work in emergency services..

give me name, engine company or battalion
If I'm not mistaken NYC Firefighters are on Gag order. I don't know if they can give their opinions or if they can only state the official version of what happened. Those guys who said "It was like a demolition job where there were explosions going off *Boom* *boom* *boom* *boom* on every floor"
Never heard from them again. All 3 of them were in agreement.
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[quote="Prey521"]LMAO, not you too! Oh dear lord! ]


No, but is this possible?

We brought the towers down demolition style to SAVE lives and property.

think about it Prey....you have two of the largest man made structures sitting side by side....if one of them were to topple over....how many other buildings would it affect? How many more lives would be lost? If I'm an engineer and I know this, do I plan to safeguard against it? Do I install a demolition system to bring it down should the need arise? Maybe, just maybe it was a built in feature of the design of the structure itself. Please realize....mother nature did take over that day....the first tower to collapse DID topple over yet it righted itself and was able to come down all on itself...it didn't even really affect the other tower. How was this possible? Something counterbalanced gravity.

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why did it not continue to topple over in the direction it was going? Poor design or BY design?

What I find contradictory to all of this is that this video, the one I referenced from Pie's post, has explosion sounds and visible evidence coming from the base of the towers while the Naudet brothers video doesn't. This bothers me. the firedawgs in the Naudet bothers documentary (911) all said that they heard explosions. So why aren't they in the Naudet video? As a firedawg myself I find this odd because the fire had already vented itself. Explosions in normal dwelling fires occur when a room and contents fire is STARVED of O2. when a rush of fresh air is introduced, the fire ignites violently in what is known as a backdraft. A flashover is when all the contents in the room reach their ignition temp at one time....but again, this happens when the fire is being starved of O2 in a closed space. contrary to popular myth....fire only needs 2% O2 to sustain itself.....but the gaping holes left from the initial impact resolve that conflict. Fire ALWAYS burns upward and it always travels the path of least resistance....that is why we always vent a roof closest to the point of origin of the fire...so we don't spread the fire throughout the building.

so the explosions we haer on that video could not have come from the fire because it was already self vented and freely burning. so those explosive sounds came from some place else that has not been accounted for.

Look, everyone forgets history....so let's review some to get some perspective and then lets apply some common sense to some of your statements.

1. If you are a single bullet theory kind of guy when it comes to JFK...then stop here and stop responding to threads like these. Even if you are...JFK was baggged tagged and boxed before any investigation could be done to prove anything....much like that of 911 evidence sent off to China for recycling lol. Funny how pristine bullets and pristine passports always somehow manage to survive when it benefits the government.

2. People CAN keep secrets....ever hear of DEEP THROAT? Nuff said. Secrets are possible and are kept....ask the Japs how they kept Pearl Harbor a secret for so long.

3. 911 wasn't a well kept secret though....that's why there was all of that insider trading on airline stocks right before it. Israeli intelligence knew and passed it on to their Jewish bankrollers here in America.

4. One more thing...WTC7 was HQ for just about every intelligence agency in the region...kinda odd how that building collapsed....reminds me of how the OKC bombing just so coincidentally destroyed all the people's evidence in the WACO suit....you know, the ones where the survivors said that the military choppers were firing into WACO compound....where the door was riddled with these bullets....taken to Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg for safekeeping and subsequently destroyed by Tim McVey...a guy who had it out for the GOVERNMENT??????????? How friggin convenient is that LOLOL????????? the guy that hates the government destrys the evidence that would prove that the government used military force against normal American citizens including children....

So the conspiracy wasn't in who did it...it lies in why they let it happen. who benefitted? that's what you need to ask yourself before you denounce what has already happened in our own American history. I can name lots of companies that have benefitted....have you benefitted from this Prey? Has our Constitution benefitted???? Which is more important?
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Ghosthunter wrote:it is really hard to debate conspiracy theorists...because there is no evidence to debate...it just all straws


doesnt matter that the article was put together by joe wo....the director who put the seismic info together...says has nothing to do with WTC exploding from detonation

oh wait he must be some cousin of bush or something right? LOL

9:59:04 a.m. EDT [1359 UTC] Collapse - south tower Magnitude 2.1
10:28:31 a.m. EDT [1428 UTC] Collapse - north tower Magnitude 2.3




like Lerner-lam said that video and alex jones is taking his report out of context which is nothing new
Taken from CNN.com

10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, plummeting into the streets below. A massive cloud of dust and debris forms and slowly drifts away from the building.

10:28 a.m.: The World Trade Center's north tower collapses from the top down as if it were being peeled apart, releasing a tremendous cloud of debris and smoke.

10:28:23 North Tower starts to crumble (this figure taken from 911 research.wtc7.com for the accurate seconds)


The first one misses by 6min maybe thats why it didn't fall properly.
the second reading was close and it fell perfectly.
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thepieman wrote:Ok Im not an engineer but you even discounted what that MIT engineer said.
If you watched the video I posted and ignore the helicopter parts to some degree and listen to the engineers as well as the firemen on that ...he said they were designed for such a hit and they did take the hit. You really have to watch it all the way through. The guy who did this really got excellent footage.
The towers were designed to take a hit from a lost plane, cruising, looking for the airport, which is 180 mph, not a plane going 4-500+ :rtfm:
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