I hate linux part II

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:13 pm

..how in the world of hades do install a friggin program on this?

example...downloaded latest version of firefox ..extracted the tar file to my home directory and i have no clue how to install it ...

mandriva 2005

this is why Linux will never go mainstream

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:21 pm

Ubuntu!

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:09 pm

You could try from command line ./programfilename

greEd · Post by **greEd** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:16 pm

Izzo wrote: this is why Linux will never go mainstream

To late, it already has

izzohost$ tar xvzf firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz
izzohost$ cd firefox
izzohost$ ./firefox

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:19 pm

greEd wrote:To late, it already has

izzohost$ tar xvzf firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz
izzohost$ cd firefox
izzohost$ ./firefox

lol....there is a definate community but it will never catch on with the masses because of the 145698628549654609546 configuration files you gotta fiddle with just to get a simple service running....

will try this again...

greEd · Post by **greEd** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:21 pm

Izzo wrote:lol....there is a definate community but it will never catch on with the masses because of the 145698628549654609546 configuration files you gotta fiddle with just to get a simple service running....

will try this again...

It's all very simple once you get used to it. Trust me.

Stick to it don't give up! If you need to pm me I'll be glad to help you.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:22 pm

I get an error message

/firefox-bin : error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file : no such file or directory

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:23 pm

greEd wrote:It's all very simple once you get used to it. Trust me.

Stick to it don't give up! If you need to pm me I'll be glad to help you.

very generous......there are times i feel i start to catch on ....then comes today

it's difficult to maintain patience

greEd · Post by **greEd** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:26 pm

What flavor are you running?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:39 pm

mandriva 2005

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:19 pm

Izzo wrote:mandriva 2005

Don't you have some type of apt or yast or rpm manager on that thing? If it was a debian or flavor of, a simple, 'apt-get install firefox', or something to that effect would get it bundled for you.

Well Nix is not easy, I don't give a crap what they say.... Moving from windows is not easy, especially if you have any kind of new hardware. Healthy learning curve, but, don't get discouraged, it does start to get a bit easier as you learn.

I'm still trying to get all the HW on my lappy working right.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:47 pm

Sid wrote:Don't you have some type of apt or yast or rpm manager on that thing? If it was a debian or flavor of, a simple, 'apt-get install firefox', or something to that effect would get it bundled for you.

Well Nix is not easy, I don't give a crap what they say.... Moving from windows is not easy, especially if you have any kind of new hardware. Healthy learning curve, but, don't get discouraged, it does start to get a bit easier as you learn.

I'm still trying to get all the HW on my lappy working right.

not for firefox .... just comes in a .tar.gz file..... tried the graphical rpm manager they got and i couldn't get that to work either....so i just deleted all the firefox directories/files and got a fresh copy of the download...

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:47 pm

open up a terminal, cd over to the appropriate directory (if you have the sources, that is, if it's firefox, i think it comes w/ the installer, double click it in your window manager)...anyway cd over to the directory..at the shell prompt:

./configure <enter>
make <enter>
make install <enter>

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:50 pm

i still find it miraculous that i got the Nvidia drivers to install and work ...

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:56 pm

Amro wrote:open up a terminal, cd over to the appropriate directory (if you have the sources, that is, if it's firefox, i think it comes w/ the installer, double click it in your window manager)...anyway cd over to the directory..at the shell prompt:

./configure <enter>
make <enter>
make install <enter>

i've tried this also ....

when i type in "./configure" i get an error message saying no such file or directory

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:11 pm

Izzo wrote:i still find it miraculous that i got the Nvidia drivers to install and work ...

You the man.

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:39 pm

i downloaded it on my windows box to see the directory structure.. try typing this while at the directory at a shell prompt:

./firefox

if that doesn't work, try ./firefox-bin

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:52 pm

Amro wrote:i downloaded it on my windows box to see the directory structure.. try typing this while at the directory at a shell prompt:

./firefox

if that doesn't work, try ./firefox-bin

ok ..lemme see if i understand correctly....

within a terminal window ...as root i type

./firefox or ./firefox-bin ....correct?

to install the nvidia drivers i typed in sh before the file name and it was kinda easy from there ...

am i in the ballpark ?

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:39 pm

Izzo - may be that linux hates you. In which case, you're screwed.

Which package did you download? bin, src, rpm, srpm?
Go into the untared dir and see what is executable.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:01 pm

cyberskye wrote:Izzo - may be that linux hates you. In which case, you're screwed.

Which package did you download? bin, src, rpm, srpm?
Go into the untared dir and see what is executable.

You're probably right skye.....If I were Linux I'd hate me too

it's a bin

A_old · Post by **A_old** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:28 am

Izzo wrote:ok ..lemme see if i understand correctly....

within a terminal window ...as root i type

./firefox or ./firefox-bin ....correct?

to install the nvidia drivers i typed in sh before the file name and it was kinda easy from there ...

am i in the ballpark ?

right, but more specifically you must be cd'd to that directory (the one firefox is in) so it can access the file. otherwise you need to add it to your path.

anyway so for example

cd /opt/firefox <enter>
./firefox <enter>

where /opt/firefox is where you've extracted firefox and can list the files there..use it like dos only instead of typing an exe name, type ./BIN_NAME

Depending on permissions and who extracted it, you may not need to be root.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:33 am

izzo, always get rpm files

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:52 am

Try this izzo

http://www.penguinpusher.org/2005/12/06 ... riva-2006/

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:43 am

Better yet, play with the Mandrake version you have for a while, seyt it up just how you like it, then wipe it completely and install Debian base. Once the base Debian distro is installed you can build up from there into the exact desired system you want without all the extra fluff and garbage that comes with Mandriva and other "let's-make-linux-mainstream" distros. For example, you don't need multiple window managers, you don't need multiple office suites, you don't need 3 browsers, etc. etc. Heck, you don't even need a desktop environment with Debian! I just use Fluxbox window manager and a few dock apps for icon shortcuts, and the systems has everything I want and need.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:11 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:izzo, always get rpm files

ya

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:14 am

Amro wrote:right, but more specifically you must be cd'd to that directory (the one firefox is in) so it can access the file. otherwise you need to add it to your path.

anyway so for example

cd /opt/firefox <enter>
./firefox <enter>

where /opt/firefox is where you've extracted firefox and can list the files there..use it like dos only instead of typing an exe name, type ./BIN_NAME

Depending on permissions and who extracted it, you may not need to be root.

right...Yeah, i made sure i was in the firefox/ directory before I tried ...still got that same error.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:15 am

TonyT wrote:Better yet, play with the Mandrake version you have for a while, seyt it up just how you like it, then wipe it completely and install Debian base. Once the base Debian distro is installed you can build up from there into the exact desired system you want without all the extra fluff and garbage that comes with Mandriva and other "let's-make-linux-mainstream" distros. For example, you don't need multiple window managers, you don't need multiple office suites, you don't need 3 browsers, etc. etc. Heck, you don't even need a desktop environment with Debian! I just use Fluxbox window manager and a few dock apps for icon shortcuts, and the systems has everything I want and need.

Sort of for school......(don't ask) .... Book I'm reading from uses FC but then we decided to go to Mandriva....

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:35 am

can you post a long list from the FF directory?

ls -al

so we can see the pemissions and files in the dir.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:51 am

Lefty wrote:can you post a long list from the FF directory?

ls -al

so we can see the pemissions and files in the dir.

I'm at work now .... I even looked at it via the Terminal window and a graphical file manager....saw the bin executable ... just couldnt get it to work.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:32 pm

Izzo wrote:You're probably right skye.....If I were Linux I'd hate me too

it's a bin

I'd recommend the rpm flavor - you appear to have issues with a so (like dll in windows). Either can't be found or doesn't exist. An rpm mgr would fix this for you.

If no windows apps had installers, you'd be bitching just as loud about windows...

EDIT - I am all for the learning experience of figuring this out, but if it's gonna turn you off of *nix, it's better to use a package mgr - we don't want to lose you to the darkside, Izz

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:35 pm

cyberskye wrote:I'd recommend the rpm flavor - you appear to have issues with a so (like dll in windows). Either can't be found or doesn't exist. An rpm mgr would fix this for you.

If no windows apps had installers, you'd be bitching just as loud about windows...

You're right.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:57 pm

Could be mismatched libraries issues, similar to whatb skye said re the dll analogy.
Fixes here:
http://www.penguinpusher.org/2005/12/06 ... riva-2006/

mmione · Post by **mmione** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:52 pm

I also recommend Ubuntu, very very easy. All you have to do is sudo apt-get install firefox, its built in anyways. Just try it, also on there website they send you free install cds/live cds, unlimited amount.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:28 pm

mmione wrote:I also recommend Ubuntu, very very easy.

Hmmm... Think I may try this.....someday.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:04 pm

TonyT wrote:Could be mismatched libraries issues, similar to whatb skye said re the dll analogy.
Fixes here:
http://www.penguinpusher.org/2005/12/06 ... riva-2006/

Sid wrote:Try this izzo

http://www.penguinpusher.org/2005/12/06 ... riva-2006/

Success!.. Thanks Sid 'n Tony ...worked like a charm.

It was an so problem...

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:05 pm

cyberskye wrote:I'd recommend the rpm flavor - you appear to have issues with a so (like dll in windows). Either can't be found or doesn't exist. An rpm mgr would fix this for you.

If no windows apps had installers, you'd be bitching just as loud about windows...

EDIT - I am all for the learning experience of figuring this out, but if it's gonna turn you off of *nix, it's better to use a package mgr - we don't want to lose you to the darkside, Izz

Actually, this sort of crap only makes me more determined...I just need to vent. You guys are the best.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:36 pm

cyberskye wrote:I'd recommend the rpm flavor - you appear to have issues with a so (like dll in windows). Either can't be found or doesn't exist. An rpm mgr would fix this for you.

If no windows apps had installers, you'd be bitching just as loud about windows...

EDIT - I am all for the learning experience of figuring this out, but if it's gonna turn you off of *nix, it's better to use a package mgr - we don't want to lose you to the darkside, Izz

had to urpmi that so file....you were right ....

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:59 pm

Izzo wrote:Actually, this sort of crap only makes me more determined...I just need to vent. You guys are the best.

With taht spirit you'll be a guru in no time.

Glad you worked it out.

Skye

EDIT - while for the 'hacking' experience and learning how things work, manual installs and configuration are great...if you plan on being a pro administrator, with a lot of boxes to manage, you WILL need to use automation. Learning the ins N outs of a package mgr is a very marketable skill.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:38 pm

cyberskye wrote:

With taht spirit you'll be a guru in no time.

Glad you worked it out.

Skye

EDIT - while for the 'hacking' experience and learning how things work, manual installs and configuration are great...if you plan on being a pro administrator, with a lot of boxes to manage, you WILL need to use automation. Learning the ins N outs of a package mgr is a very marketable skill.

yeah ....used the rpm manager to get the Nforce 4 drivers to work with this ....was slick ...just thought i'd go online ...firefox gave me the "update me" page so i thought ...what the hell...what a nightmare.

edit>>thanks to you too skye

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:55 pm

Izzo wrote:Success!.. Thanks Sid 'n Tony ...worked like a charm.

It was an so problem...

No problem. Myself, I'm a Debian core man. Running Ubuntu Breezy on the lappy, but have installed and ran Etch for a few weeks. Gave up after having so many problems getting the hardware to work right.